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anonniemouse ([personal profile] anonniemouse) wrote in [community profile] tf_talk2015-04-16 10:55 am

Gloves Off

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Continued: Re: Andy wanting to make out with his underage followers

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
I feel I should ask for a pony.

Andy's "I was harassed by an Avengers fanboy" story

(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
Posting here just to be safe.

In response to this thread:http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/272.html?thread=267280#cmt267280 about this post of Andy's:http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=267096#cmt267096

The whole post is just one bullshitty lie after another, but I found this part particularly disingenous:

I can’t understand really what it is to have to calculate everything you do by that paradigm. But even that little glimpse was incredibly eye-opening, and made it all so much more real.

And I’m sorry. As a guy, I’m so sorry that you have to exist in that reality, and I’ll try to do everything I can to change it.


Really, Andy? I don't care how he identifies. But this is just plain untrue, and calls his motives here (get notes and attention, lbr) into question. Andy knows exactly what it feels like to be perceived as a girl, and everything that goes along with that perceived identity. He presented as one for twenty years.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 02:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Someone may have made this connection already, but I just noticed it. In the second (?) eulogy for Brittany, he uses "supposed to" as the title and constant refrain of the post. In the video of Brittany that was linked in the other thread (posting this here because there were people who objected, though the thread hasn't been moved), she keeps talking about what she's "meant to do." It's a minor point, but it does underscore the way he uses the same hooks both in manipulating the people under his influence and in writing about them.

Eulogy text: http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=263256#cmt263256
Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RBkxMbZYtg

(Anonymous) 2015-04-17 08:10 am (UTC)(link)
I've seen a few posts about this video and Andy has been doing a lot of deletion. Is anyone able to back it up? I'm on my phone but I can try to transcribe it later.

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Peter Pandy

(Anonymous) 2015-04-18 12:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm doing this here because the content is hard to address without mentioning that Andy is trans. In this comment from the Pit (http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=359768#cmt359768) Andy says " I stopped growing at about fifteen – xrays show that the growth plates in my wrists still aren’t even closed – as if my body knew its limits and was trying to preserve itself."

This seems unnecessary to back up the heart defect lie, so what purpose is it serving? Is it just to make him seem special? Is it supposed to explain his slim, gracile appearance? Is it, by random chance, true?

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My guess is that it was meant to explain his smaller, less "manly man" frame.

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Creating Reality

(Anonymous) 2015-04-18 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
OK let me see if I get this straight.

Andy can only write when he is using someone else's universe? He cannot come up with something of his own?

But when he is writing in X universe, he's the bestest writer on the planet and knows things that the creator of the universe didn't know? Or he will change things that others point that the creator has gone on record of not wanting and inform his readers that he knows better than the creator?

Has he had an original thought/concept in his life? Or is everything and anything he has done reflected glory?

Kind of sad if the latter.

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I wouldn't put it quite that way.

Andy is definitely highly creative. It's not just anyone who could have imagined his AU versions of LotR or HP, for example. And the way he constantly reboots his own life requires quite a lot of creativity.

The main reason he will never bother creating his own original canon is because he wants immediate reward. Writing his own novel would require months or years of hard but rewardless work, for what in the end would be a very slim chance of having any success. Why bother doing that when he can get everything he wants writing fanfic?

Also, Andy doesn't create for the sake of creating. He creates to control and manipulate other people. He would feel no intrinsic pride or enjoyment at having created something original. His pride and enjoyment would come from the way he could use that original stuff to manipulate other people. So again, why bother doing that when he can achieve the same aim just as well and much more easily with fanfic?

And anyway, when one of his fanfics does well, he has no shame putting it on the same level, or even higher, as the original canon. In his world where only he matters and he's the bestest, a fanfic of his is just as much an original creation as the canon it's based on. So technically, your question is moot: he *has* created original content. It's just that *you* don't see it that way.

A final note: when I say that Andy is highly creative, I really mean that he's exceptionally good at using and re-using the same few tricks over and over again. He constantly re-tells the same stories with only cosmetic changes, both in his own life and in his fiction. He never grows, he never expands, he never challenges himself. So if he ever wrote original stuff, it would still be just another rehashing of the DAYDverse and the channeling he did with the Bagenders and everything else he's ever created.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-18 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
SHIT, this was supposed to be posted in the pit.

Mods, can you delete and I'll repost?

Continued: ADHD is now ADD, "a form of schizophrenia" is now paranoid schizophrenia, +PTSD, -dyscalc

(Anonymous) 2015-04-20 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/272.html?thread=460048#cmt460048

Re: Continued: ADHD is now ADD, "a form of schizophrenia" is now paranoid schizophrenia, +PTSD, -dys

(Anonymous) 2015-04-20 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
DA in reply to this: http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/272.html?thread=460048#cmt460048

I'd say the innocent explanation is that skipper!anon was just excited to have something to say and didn't realise how they've been coming across by repeatedly plugging bipolar because of the med-skipping, and won't bring it up again now they know how they've made other anons, and one of the caps, feel.

I've also been getting skeeved the fuck out by them, but I'll reserve judgment and wait to see if they're so invested as to bring it up again.

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Continued discussion about contacting police re: crime scene pix

[personal profile] anonymod 2015-04-23 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)

Re: Continued discussion about contacting police re: crime scene pix

(Anonymous) 2015-04-23 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
They still won't investigate beyond maybe giving Andy a phone call

That's fine. I'm not trying to Andy thrown in jail or in actual trouble with the law.

And it actually looks all the more plausible to Andy's defenders that someone might have actually gone that far, because anti-thanfiction activists actually went so far as to contact the cops about a 2yo one-off post so they obviously aren't unable to go to extremes!

First of all, I'm not an "activist" of any kind. As KQ has said, Andy's defenders are going to believe what they want to believe. A plethora of evidence has already been posted that more than demonstrates Andy can't be trusted. I don't kid myself that I'm going to change anyone's mind if KQ, TB, 1P and this entire comm can't.

Second, it's a freakin' phone call, not creeping around outside Andy's house in the bushes with a camera. It would probably take more time and effort to write a blog post about the issue. And if, as you say, no one could actually have accessed the photos, the sort of mental gymnastics it would take for Andy's defenders to believe someone actually got them after an official denial are not something I can fix.

Self-disclosure: I actually knew Brittany before she died, though we lost touch in the last year or two of her life. It may not matter to you that Andy continues to use her this way even after her death, but it sure as hell matters to me.

Hi, Virginia-area IP!

Yeah, I'm not surprised.

Andy, if this is you, know that you aren't fooling anyone, and your lies about Brittany are repulsive on every level.

If this is a friend of Andy's, please think long and hard about why it's so important to you that this line of inquiry not be pursued.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-28 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
What do we know for a fact was a lie about Brittany?

While this is in the gloves off post let me clarify that I'm not looking to speculate about her or other parts of her life. People can feel free to start those threads of they want. I'm specifically interested in getting a list in one place of the lies he's told that we know of.

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Surprisingly few things are 100% confirmed to be falsehoods.

Some things that are:

-Brittany always "saw through" Andy's mental illness (even if she did at a later point -- which there's no proof of -- she initially believed they were fighting shaman wizards together)

-Brittany made "brilliant" real estate deals for her husband (public records confirm they bought one second house, then took out some home equity, then the value of the second home dropped, which led to financial problems for them)

-Brittany was seeking money she earned for running her husband's business for him (court records show someone, probably Brittany AND Andy, drew up a list of all the things Brittany did as Jason Eisenberg's romantic partner, like cooking, cleaning and massages, and attached an hourly wage to them)

Things that are strongly suggested to be lies, off the top of my head:

-Brittany was incredibly invested in Andy's wrock project (the many threads of facebook wrock organizing show exactly zero involvement from her)

-The trip to New Zealand was Brittany's dream, not Andy's (a facebook post suggests Brittany's angle was more "I don't want to break a promise to Andy.")

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http://topographical-curves.tumblr.com/tagged/that-andy-thing

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I still feel like she's covering for him or idealizing him or something in most of those posts.

But also I understand how going from severe depression and isolation to all at once having a bunch of friends and doing fun things would be really significant to her (this post: http://topographical-curves.tumblr.com/post/117201023658/hi-meg-do-you-think-your-friendship-with-andy).

Eh.

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Personally I think Meg should just be off topic so she doesn't have an excuse to post pro Andy stuff.

We get it, Andy and friends F5 like crazy anything mentioning him because all attention is good.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 12:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think that will stop her posting now.

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One of the things I'm most curious about, but reluctant to bring up, is his parents. Abbey and Megan's and Jenn all say they're really nice people, but that's so at odds with the picture Andy paints. I don't mean the obvious lies like Cierra the Child Prostitute, I mean the stuff like making him sleep in a spider infested outbuilding first when he went home even though he claimed to be phobic. Or making him stay in his room rather than upset his supposedly intolerant sister. Is ANY of that true, and if it's not, why does he continue telling these stories about the parents he's supposedly so close to?

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Possibly because they're nice people. Something tells me Thanfiction wouldn't breathe a negative word about his parents if he feared retaliation. If he doesn't, well...

I don't know, because even "nice" families can hide dysfunction.Thanfiction being Thanfiction, though, I have to give his parents the benefit of the doubt.

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(Anonymous) 2015-05-04 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Nice having my all comments on here twisted to "silencing victims" by Teablogger, good grief.

Take more comments out of context why don't you.

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For what it's worth, anon, while I am absolutely in favour of supporting victims, and absolutely not in favour of silencing them, I STILL think that this is not the appropriate forum for any of Andy's friends/supporters/victims to be defending him. I don't think we should ban them (and don't see how, practically speaking, we could), but I absolutely think that having Meg or anyone in her position here is detrimental to honest discussion of Thanfiction.

Supporting victims, listening non-critically and kindly to their version of events, is ABSOLUTELY a good thing to do. But it is not conducive to open discussion of Thanfiction precisely because, in order to acknowledge how he operates, the possibility that his friends are being pressured to lie for him is sometimes going to come up. You can either choose never to dispute someone's life experiences, or you can openly discuss the possibility that they are parroting what their abuser wants them to out of a desire to protect him, but you can't do both at the same time and in the same place.

And I don't think it's "silencing victims" to point out that a forum dedicated to dissecting their friend's actions is not the ideal place for them to hang out if it upsets them.

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(Anonymous) 2015-05-05 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
http://theteablogger.tumblr.com/post/118197593892/im-sorry

This has gotten bizarre really fast.

If TB is really getting the anons she says she is, then whoever is sending them needs to chill the fuck out immediately.

TB is hardly abusive, either. I wish people stop throwing that word at everyone who disagrees with them or is rude in a moment of anger.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-05 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
It escalated quickly, all right.
I think part of the problem is that those of us most likely to want or need to discuss Thanfiction are also those most likely to be pushed to a breaking point by some of the topics under discussion.

Like, I will freely admit that I have far too keen an interest in difficult people, and in the borders between fact and fiction and the people who play with those borders; and I am too sympathetic--and frequently sympathetic to exactly the wrong people.

But I'm lucky: the most my interactions with Thanfiction caused me were slightly bruised feelings and a couple hundred dollars. For other people--anyone with a history of abuse by Andy or anyone similar, for instance--the costs of being involved in these discussions is necessarily higher, and the likelihood of running up against something that causes anger or pain is huge. I think TB just hit the Meg conversations and it was one thing too much to cope with, and then I think other anons hit TB's reactions exactly the same way.

The death threats need to stop, though. There are better ways to vent anger and fear than that.

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What part of "criticism and recent events can go in any other thread" was not clear?

To reiterate: there are dozens of other threads to hash the issues out in. You can even make your very own if you like. To come and start an off-topic discussion after a polite request not to is wanky regardless the merits of your position. Please do not do it.

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His mom, the horse thief?

(Anonymous) 2015-05-06 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I figured this question should go in GO instead of the main post since it's about his mom.

I remember ages ago I think in one of turimel's blog posts that Andy's mother is a horse thief? It was part of a longer description of Andy but seemed to imply he came from a line of dishonest people. I was never to find any information about it. The only thing that comes up when you google his mother's name is a statue she made and some other art. Does anyone know what I'm referencing and whether or not she actually stole a horse?

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The only reference I can find to it comes from here: http://turimel.livejournal.com/103145.html

"[No idea if this is true. Given that Amy's mother Cyd is a horse thief, having stolen and then negligently killed a pedigreed Arabian mare, I'm guessing this tale is mostly some kind of sick transference on Amy's part]."

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academic success

(Anonymous) 2015-05-08 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
So Andy aced his math class. YMMV, but I always feel slightly hopeful at every sign he's inching towards adulthood.

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I'd honestly be happy for him if he were able to buckle down and get through college. It's not like there aren't plenty of people with personality disorders who are able to productively contribute to society. 30-something is by no means too late to turn over a new leaf and begin functioning in non-destructive ways.

That said, do I believe it will happen? Not really. He's got too long a track record and there hasn't really been much that would precipitate such a dramatic change of heart.

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I feel like I'm the one AA watcher who doesn't think him going to college is good idea.

I mean he's 31, and will be surrounded by 17-19 year olds who are just away from home for the first time, trying to fit in.

It just seems like tumblr irl but there will be nothing in writing to tie back to him. :/

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yeah

it will be like a fucking buffet for him

(it's how my abuser snatched me up as well - I was 18. wide-eyed and bushy tailed, and like, she was only a few years older)

and really, maturity, guys? Like it's about lack of maturity, and not about his lack of morals and regard for fellow humans. Greater maturity will only make his schemes tighter and his blending in more seamless (he is an ADULT, he has A DEGREE)

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So what would it take?

(Anonymous) 2015-05-19 12:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I am posting this in gloves off because I think this might get a little hot but it has been rattling around in my brain because I just got an apology letter from an ex-friend who finally faced up and is dealing with a rather serious drug problem that stopped us from being friends.

What would it take for Andy to be left alone with his life and not have his past constantly being brought up with detrimental consequences for him?

Re: So what would it take?

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What do you mean by "detrimental consequences for him"? Not a trick question, I just think that's something that will vary widely depending on who you ask. I can recognize that someone has grown and changed and isn't again going to do the same terrible things they did previously without forgetting that they did them.

I don't think it happens all at once, is the thing. Growth is not some sudden change like lightning striking, in my experience. It's a long, difficult process. Trust can be regained, but that, too, is a process. I've said elsewhere in this comm that if he truly is growing and maturing, he's making a genuine attempt to improve his own life and do better, then good for him. I wish him only the best in those endeavors. But before I believe that he's changed, he'll need to actually, you know, change. I don't know him personally, but going by what he posts on the internet -- if he stops being creepy and gross about women, starts showing that he has some concept of and willingness to respect boundaries, stops comparing himself to fictional characters quite so much, then yeah, maybe I'll start to believe he really has changed.

But should that happen, I'm not sure what I'm obligated to do in terms of demonstrating that. Forget that he exists? Forget, or pretend to forget, that he ever did anything bad? Personally apologize to him for posting here? What about the AA bloggers? Are they supposed to stop what they're doing? Delete their blogs? Apologize to him? What's the difference between a "detrimental" consequence and just a plain consequence?

During a really rough period, mental health-wise, I was an asshole -- not abusive, but definitely an asshole. I alienated some friends. That was definitely a detrimental consequence. I've gone to therapy, got a med regimen that works for me, and am genuinely a much healthier, more stable person, but the people I alienated when I was an asshole aren't obligated to be my friends again. They're not even obligated to give me a chance to prove I've grown, that I won't be an asshole to them again if my mental health gets out of balance again. It still makes me sad to think of them. But part of maturing is recognizing that your actions can have consequences for a long time after.

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If not here then where?

(Anonymous) 2015-05-22 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Thatfucker is rabbiting fast away from Supernatural fandom.

He has killed his Harry Potter mega-tome-of-doom.

His Marvel overtures were rebuffed or lost in the signal to noise problem of Tumblr.

Teen Wolf pretty much went "ooh ICKY" when he tried there.

Welcome to Nightvale fracking laughed at him.

So now where? Where do you think he will find his next 'bestest fandom evar'?

What fandom do you think he will find easy prey?

Or is he too old and skeevy now heading for neckbeard status?

Re: If not here then where?

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I don't think he really needs a fandom atm. He's playing tumble sjw, and that's getting him a bunch of accolades from young and impressionable people. Fandom waters may be poisoned for him for the next little while.

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Teablogger's Timeline Part 4

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I'm posting this here rather than in the main thread because it involves Brittany, but the whole thing is so enraging.

The distribution of duties for the planned NZ is ridiculous. Brittany was in charge of everything from getting Andy's airfare donated to packing his toothbrush and back-up glasses (not an exaggeration). Meanwhile, he was writing press materials and making lists for other people to fill.

Re: Teablogger's Timeline Part 4

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And the link:

http://theteablogger.tumblr.com/post/120371719887/andy-blake-a-timeline-part-iv

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Re: WWII thread

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This Western European nonnie, whose country was ravaged during WWII, would like to comment on one thing:

We have a tendency to valorize what went on in WWII, or to hyperfocus on the positive elements of it, to the degree that many people don't even know the true extent of what went on.

WWII is not "valorized" in my culture. WWII, and WWI too, were HELL ON EARTH, and that's how they are remembered here. We celebrate the valor of the PEOPLE who did good things during it, gave their lives to free our country or helped Jews or whatever, but the Wars themselves are considered Very, Very, VERY Bad Things, in which LOADS of horrible stuff happened, committed equally by the so-called Good Guys and Bad Guys. In fact, some of the things we remember best are some of the most horrible things our own people (whether military or civilian) did - like shipping off some of our own Jews to Germany, for example.

I'm also old enough to remember the Cold War, and what it felt to have the USA and the USSR play tug-of-war with my continent. The Iron Curtain was a direct consequence of WWII, and it was a constantly throbbing wound on the face of Europe as I was growing up.

So I'd really appreciate if nobody went on glorifying or demonizing either side, because all sides were stuffed full of demons, angels, and everything in-between.

Self-Loathing as an Art Form

(Anonymous) 2015-06-16 12:23 pm (UTC)(link)
OK I have now read through a lot of this from both Andy and the people he has hurt both physically and emotionally.

I am going to say that he doesn't care about anyone but himself and it is proven out again and again by how he phrases things and presents things.

Why in gloves off you ask?

Because one thing that I keep seeing is even though he is in it for himself, he doesn't like himself very much or rather the person he was born as. He has change his gender because he didn't like the gender he was born with and there is self loathing in how he sees women in general. He changed his name several times and with it his entire life to make it more palatable to him. He makes up elaborate fantasies of being anything or anyone but who he is.

Might do him some good to try to live within the now but I don't think by this point he can.

He has been living the self created lies so long that he doesn't know any other way to exist.

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This sort of thing has been stated over and over again for years, but THIS...

He has change his gender because he didn't like the gender he was born with and there is self loathing in how he sees women in general.

... is little more than trans wank bait. Andy wasn't born a female. He was assigned female at birth. There is a difference. If this is a subject you are unfamiliar with, I suggest you do some googling, which may help to clear up the matter.

In any cse, Andy's misogyny is not "self-loathing" in the sense that you seem to imply. It's true that Andy abuses women, is a gender essentialist, and his serious issues with his own body may well bleed over into other areas of his life, but he not a self-loathing woman lying about being a man. The only person who believes that at this point is Turimel, and she's not someone you want to emulate re: trans issues.

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original thread: http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/272.html?thread=866064#cmt866064

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This seems to have a lot of familiar hallmarks-- the crowdfunding, the timeline that doesn't make sense, sketchy financial deals, etc. And it seems possibly significant that this is happening almost immediately after he stopped living directly under his parents roof/supervision.

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