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Andy's "I was harassed by an Avengers fanboy" story

(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
Posting here just to be safe.

In response to this thread:http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/272.html?thread=267280#cmt267280 about this post of Andy's:http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=267096#cmt267096

The whole post is just one bullshitty lie after another, but I found this part particularly disingenous:

I can’t understand really what it is to have to calculate everything you do by that paradigm. But even that little glimpse was incredibly eye-opening, and made it all so much more real.

And I’m sorry. As a guy, I’m so sorry that you have to exist in that reality, and I’ll try to do everything I can to change it.


Really, Andy? I don't care how he identifies. But this is just plain untrue, and calls his motives here (get notes and attention, lbr) into question. Andy knows exactly what it feels like to be perceived as a girl, and everything that goes along with that perceived identity. He presented as one for twenty years.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 07:02 am (UTC)(link)
And the guy was "heavyset" and "smelled bad." Of fucking course.

My husband is heavyset and I am starting to take this stereotype that fat geek guys are always harassers really personally. Also, it's super skeevy for a thin guy (and a sexual abuser at that) to deploy that stereotype in his obvious bullshit post. Oh no, a thin good-looking guy would never harass women, never. Only fat unattractive guys harass women. Andy's small and thin and androgynous looking and ~understands~. He'll protect you, you don't have to fear him. Fear THEM over THERE, fear them constantly, and flee to him.

Ugh.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 07:14 am (UTC)(link)
Didn't he describe the woman he gave pity oral sex to in a Walmart parking lot as fat and smelly as well?

So at least he's an equal opportunity bodyshamer, but we knew that already, given the shit he's done to Abbey, and some of the comments he's made about Megan.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
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For the record, I don't believe either Avengers dude or Walmart lady exist.

BTW, here's a link to an old thread on FFA about the Walmart stuff. Wow, I kinda miss the blue lj design a bit. - http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/53491.html?thread=248917491#t248917491

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know why I'm laughing so hard right now -- probably because every story he tells just gets better and better in the OH COME ON department, he's just ludicrous -- but link to the post where he tells this story?

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

DAYD ties in here as well. He wrote Neville as tall and muscled with no chubbiness at all, and Hannah Abbot (also chubby in canon) as having big boobs but otherwise being thin. Andy is just so disgusting.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 07:24 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah he really does have some fatphobia issues he needs to deal with; it keeps cropping up here and it's gross.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 07:58 am (UTC)(link)
You ain't seem nothin' yet.

WARNING: Body shaming.

http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/tagged/preach!

Andy responds to an image of an extremely thin model by asking if she's Golem's sister.

http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/15343938644/i-know-this-is-supposed-to-be-a-sexy-shot-but

Rundown of why a thin woman's appearance makes him cringe, including the fact that she's "starving" and emaciated from "inactivity". Sure, Andy.

He's also reblogged the classic REAL MEN LIKE CURVES, DOGS LIKE BONES.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 07:17 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, this part was really the one that annoyed me most. But... The more I think about it, the more I realize it all makes sense.

When "normal" people discuss TG matters, they understand that transitioning doesn't magically rewrite one's past. When a trans man says that he was always a man, it is implicitely understood that he is referring to his own subjective experience, and that said subjective experience doesn't change the reality that he was AFAB, and most likely grew up being treated and considered a girl by everyone around him, and possibly even by himself too. His past where other people treated him as a girl doesn't get magically erased because he transitioned since then.

But Andy is different. Andy literally rewrites history whenever he feels like it. We've seen him do that about many things: what happened when, who did what to whom, and so on. But between this post, and his insistence that he's not a trans man, and his stubborn refusal to acknowledge to his friends that he ever was Amy Player, even going so far as to put the blame on his sister, and sticking to his story even when his own mother said otherwise... Well, it all makes sense if one posits that he's simply rewritten this part of his history too.

What I mean is: it looks to me like he hasn't transitioned at all, like trans men do. Transitioning implies going from Place A to Place B. That's not what Andy did. What Andy did is rewrite himself as socially male from the very beginning. He rewrote himself as having always been in Place B, all along, right from birth. He basically rewrote himself as being AMAB, which is why he can insist that he's cis, that he's not trans, that he never was Amy, even when it simply doesn't make any sense since everyone can literally see otherwise. In *his* world, it's true. And his world is the only world that matters to him, so anyone who disagrees with the facts of his world must be lying.

My God. It's so simple, yet so fucked-up and terrifying!

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 07:40 am (UTC)(link)
Oh god, THIS.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
Yep. Andy rewrites his life story constantly, whenever it suits him.

http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/272.html?thread=177936#cmt177936

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 07:45 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah Andy's reality has very little to do with actual reality and more to do with what he wants to be true at any given time, because of what he might gain from it or how it makes him come across or even just feel better about himself.

And the dangerous part is when he convinces other people to join him in his reality.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 08:57 am (UTC)(link)
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I've thought about this some more and this theory also explains why any discussion of his gender systematically ends in transwank. That would be because he set it up to be like this.

As I see it, we have three possibilities:

1. We agree with him that he's male, but because in the real world he was AFAB and lived about two decades as a girl, we have to disagree with his self-identification as cis.

2. We agree with him that he's cis, but, again, because in the real world he was AFAB and lived most of his life as a girl, we have to disagree with his self-ID as male.

3. We respect his self-ID as a cis male, which requires validating his lies and his rewritten history.

We can either defend the truth (he was AFAB, and lived and identified as a girl for about two decades), or disrespect some part or other of his self-ID, because that self-ID is based on a fundamental lie.

No matter what we do, we're the ones who end up looking like assholes, when he's the one who's lying. A typical Andy Catch-22.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 11:50 am (UTC)(link)
Funny how that works, yes?

We agree with him that he's male, but because in the real world he was AFAB and lived about two decades as a girl, we have to disagree with his self-identification as cis.

This one seems to be what most people pick, because even people who agree with Andy calling himself cis are happy to label things "transfail" and defend him as though he they consider him to be trans.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly it is the insistence on the rewrite that bugs the ever loving out of me.

He use to go on about the past is the past and I am changed but that blew up due to him not changing.

He tried to bribe people in to keeping his dark secret and when that didn't work, he denied reality because reasons.

You don't get total life do overs from the beginning unless you are reincarnated and then the self aware is not these or is there depending on your religious POV.

He wants a clean slate yet again after swearing it is the last time that he will (fill in the blank of something icky he has done).

He hasn't earned that right or the slate.

So there is his head canon and then there is reality which doesn't mesh nor will it ever mesh because he comes off looking bad.

Reminds me of a friend's husband who had to deal with his ex who had created this entire scenario of why they got divorced that made the ex feel better about themselves.

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On top of all that, he just plain out lies in ways tangentially related to sexuality and gender and any talk about that subject gets labeled transwank, even though it is subtlely rewriting history.

For example, in the previous thread about his exploring homosexuality by fucking some guys: it doesn't matter how he IDs, whether as male or female, AFAB or AMAB, trans or not, it is not what happened. He had a steady boyfriend, then explored his sexuality with a girl, in that order (whether he was straight, lesbian, male, female, again, is irrelevant), and his writing from the time confirms that is what he thought he was doing -- exploring his attraction to a girl. It is not about saying "lesbian" as opposed to "straight man" in retrospect, it is whether his dating history included person a or person b. He likes to label himself as a sort of casanova with an incredible dating history, and it is easy to sneak in sexual experiences here and there (especially during the time he still presented as female), and have people be too afraid to question, did any of that happen?

Or for example, things relating to the Amy Player name: it is not just that it is a name/misgendering issue -- if it were possible I'd rewrite every online name he has ever used to the one he prefers today. It is that he claimed it was his *sister.* He could have said something like: No, Amy Player was a pseudonym, it was me, male Andy Blake all along, but those were still my actions. It is that he said it was a completely different person with their own name and identity that it becomes something that needs calling out. it is no different than calling out that Jordan Wood is Andy Blake and not the soul of Elijah Wood.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-17 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I think there's some truth to this. I think I'm an outlier in that I don't have any inherent issue with Andy denying that he's trans. Many of the things he's said about his gender identity make perfect sense to me, in that I think they come from a place of discomfort that is not uncommon among LGBTQ people. But constructing an elaborate narrative where he's never experienced sexism personally? That's weird and calculated. Just... don't comment on it if you don't want to acknowledge that part of your past.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 12:56 pm (UTC)(link)
OH MY GOD I have been trying to find that post of his for AGES. Thank you!

TB

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)
The repetition of "I could reveal my gender at any time" leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It seems ... Especially disingenuous? I can't entirely out my finger on it, but the idea of "oh, I could just say I was a man and he'd leave me alone because dudes always leave men alone even if they're androgynous/AFAB" feels dangerous, aside from being provably and tragically false.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
My ex-bf was being hit on several times by drunks when he had long hair. And at least once he couldn't get the guy to fuck off even when he told him he's a guy. In the end he had to punch that perv and run away.So yeah, looks like Andy has never been seriously harrassed in real life.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 03:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, in actual circumstances where drunk asshole mistakes androgynous dude for a woman, violent homophobic backlash to the gender reveal is a real concern.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-19 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
Hell, not to mention the transphobia. I'm a very androgynous trans man and have had to keep my damn mouth shut when creeps misgender me and start hitting on me because if I correct them, it's not just the backlash of homophobia I face, it's transphobia and shit like threats of corrective rape. If Andy thinks there is 'safety' of revealing one's gender as a trans person in this kind of situation he is either a) completely and totally unaware of exactly how fucking dangerous that is, or b) making the whole thing up.

Maybe a little column A, a little column B, actually. Either way there's a hell of a lot of bullshit in that post.

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