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anonniemouse ([personal profile] anonniemouse) wrote in [community profile] tf_talk2015-04-16 10:55 am

Gloves Off

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Re: Andy's "I was harassed by an Avengers fanboy" story

(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
This is consistent with Andy claiming he's cis because "it simply settles peacefully in a place of truth for me regardless of what terms and conditions society tries to impose, and isn’t that how anyone knows their gender?"

Creating trans headcanons for every character is all the rage on Tumblr these days. You have to give it to Andy for originality: he went and rebooted himself as cis instead.

I also admire the way he carefully conflated two different but related concepts to make the above reasoning work. What you quote is true regarding one's gender. We are the gender we feel at peace with, no matter what society says. But Andy wasn't using this argument to defend his *gender*. He was using it to defend his rebooted cisgender identity. He directly conflated "gender" with "cis/trans", and used what applies to the former to manipulate people regarding the latter. That was genius.

Andy is very different from a trans person who's in deep stealth or presents themselves as cis as a matter of comfort or safety,

This I completely agree with.

because he simultaneously calls himself cis and expects all the accommodations trans people receive in SJ circles.

This I don't see it quite that way. Andy has rebooted himself as cis several years ago already, and he profoundly hates and despises everything female. He actually goes out of his way to avoid ever mentioning that he's in any way trans, for example making posts like the one mentioned somewhere else in this comm about how as a man, he doesn't know what it's like to be sexually harrassed, so he supposedly allowed himself to be briefly harrassed by some nerd jerk to get an insight into the situation.

He also made a HUGE deal of "coming out" as trans (but not really really trans still), and only did it to detract people's attention from the FLC accusations. I was impressed at the time by the contrast between the overly dramatic way he presented his coming-out, and the near total absence of reaction from other people to this coming-out: to him, who had long ago rebooted himself as cis, going so far as mentioning the word "trans" was a world-shattering event, but to the rest of us, who'd known all along he was trans, it was a non-event.

So no, I don't think Andy wants "all the accommodations trans people receive in SJ circles". I think what he wants is for people to consider him cis already. To buy into his rebooted universe for good, and to forget he ever was anything but a cis man.

The only times he mentions his almost-but-not-quite trans status are when he needs some quick and strong tactic to detract people's attention from something even worse. Like for example when Jenn revealed that he insisted Amy Player was his RL sister: people were justifiably horrified by that, so presto! He pulled out the trans card. But unless he's pushed into such extreme situations, he never mentions he's trans, and he doesn't want people to remember it.

It's different when it's his friends doing it, though. *They* are allowed to call transphobia at any time to derail any negative conversation going on about him. But I'll bet anything that around him, they have to act like he's fully cis even when it goes against reality and makes no sense, and never, ever mention his being trans in any way.

So basically, I see him as wanting everyone to believe and act as though he's fully cis, but since people won't do that, he may as well indulge in using his trans status as a blunt weapon to quickly get out of troubles when necessary.

Re: Andy's "I was harassed by an Avengers fanboy" story

(Anonymous) 2015-04-17 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
The only times he mentions his almost-but-not-quite trans status are when he needs some quick and strong tactic to detract people's attention from something even worse. Like for example when Jenn revealed that he insisted Amy Player was his RL sister: people were justifiably horrified by that, so presto! He pulled out the trans card. But unless he's pushed into such extreme situations, he never mentions he's trans, and he doesn't want people to remember it.

This is actually what I meant by "all the accommodations", minus the identity itself. He doesn't bring it up all the time, of course. He only does it when it's convenient for him.

For example, he takes advantage of the fact that people are sympathetic to trans people lying about their pasts (as opposed their gender) because they are terrified of the potential backlash should they be exposed. I would also include in that category the fact that he condemns people for "outing" him, and expects people in-the-know to keep his past and previous identification a secret.

I actually agree with everything else you said, though.

Re: Andy's "I was harassed by an Avengers fanboy" story

(Anonymous) 2015-04-17 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
And I in return completely agree that he's being disgustingly manipulative when he acts like you describe it here. He knows that it's considered of paramount importance (for very justified reasons) to protect the right of random, anonymous, "normal" trans people to pretend to be cis if they so wish, to hide parts of their past, and to absolutely never, ever out them, so he claims this as a blanket cover to erase his entire past.

Only thing is: Andy Blake is no random, anonymous and certainly not *normal* trans person. In particular, Andy Blake never was in the closet to begin with. He transitioned *very* publicly. If anything, he's possibly better known (as in, more infamous) under his female birth name or his Victoria Bitter female net name, than under any other name!