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anonniemouse ([personal profile] anonniemouse) wrote in [community profile] tf_talk2015-04-09 12:58 pm

continued Thatfucker discussion

Since we've been kicked off FFA for the week, please feel free to continue the anon discussion here. Apologies if this is a big flop - I've never made a DW community before!

The rules are vaguely the same as they are over on FFA. Please refrain from being too much of an asshole, making personal attacks, posting identifying information or engaging in transfail.

ETA: If there's information you'd like to see archived (journal/blog posts related to Andy, etc.), please dump it here and link to it from the main post for discussing.

Electronic Wuss

(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
The stuff you read here is so skeevy that sometimes you need to laugh to keep from bleaching down your computer.

In regard to the post up thread about Andy's songwriting abilities and purple prose, I feel it's my duty to post this. It reminds me of Andy on way too many levels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyasBBoQqCA

Apologies for those who like Owl City.

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Holy fuck, I'm going to wake up the whole house.

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This Community

(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I know the 15th is the end of the fatwa at FFA, and that discussion no doubt will return there. But I kind of hope this little conversation pit won't vanish. I've grown rather fond of it.

It's nice not to have to scroll past people complaining about talking about THIS again, and I think some valuable discussion and dissection of TFs older writings is happening. Also, despite a few early stumbles, our Modly Mouse is doing a great job and isn't leaping to screen everything - and is listening to feedback. Go Modly Mouse!

I also think it's good to have an anon discussion space that is ongoing. Some people say that's treating TF like a fandom in and of himself - but it also seems to be helpful and cathartic for his recovering victims (how many times have anonymous former daydians been willing to talk or said thanks on FFA?)

Re: This Community

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Agreed! When discussion inevitably returns to FFA it would be nice to see some cross-linking between the communities (FFA thanfiction thread links posted here, sources dumped in the "Pit" post here and linked to FFA, etc). As an archive having this community is super useful, and I think based on the notes from FFA's mods Andy discussion is exhausting to them so it should be helpful in taking some of the weight off their shoulders.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
One thing that strikes me-- with reference both to Andy Blake and to other (less extreme, but similar) people I've known IRL-- is that people who fancy themselves to be chameleons are actually some of the most predictable people in the world.

I'm not sure exactly why that is, or how to articulate it clearly, but it's always surprising (and, in the absence of emotional investment, kind of funny) to me.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I think people tend to confuse deceitfulness with unpredictability, which can sometimes be true - at least initially, nobody expects someone to be systematically lying to them on almost every level and it makes sense to be shocked when you encounter a person who behaves this way.

However, once you realize that a person is a pathological liar the element of surprise is gone, and it turns out that usually that first "psych, I've been lying this whole time!" behavioral surprise is the only one really in store.

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Knowing him

(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I have had encounters with Blake that left me unsettled. I appreciate this forum as a space to have those little warning signs I heeded reaffirmed. Without communities like these, I could have very easily fallen under his "blarney". I had been, for a while.

So, thanks, guys. For holding him accountable.

Re: Knowing him

(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
No problem, nonny. I'm glad you got away from his web.

If you ever want to elaborate on the encounters that left you unsettled, we'll always be here to listen.

mod appreciation ♥

(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 09:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Feel free to screen this if you see it as continuing a frozen discussion, but I just wanted to say that I'd say that nonnie was definitely crossing the asshole line in their (repeated, super aggro) comments to you. Thanks for letting the discussion continue as long as you did, I think up to that point it was very calm but still probably would have gotten insta-frozen far earlier by FFA mods - I'm glad to have been able to read it as long as it was appropriate. :)

Re: mod appreciation ♥

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This. They were out of line.

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Interest check

(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
What would be the interest level on a website that was purely to document all of Blake's shenanigans, and to archive screencaps, etc, that are currently scattered to here and gone?

I have both the webspace and a domain name, and a particular interest in making sure things are neat, orderly and easily accessible for anyone who wants to find out details about any particular event or quote. I am not particularly interested in hosting free-range discussion, as I think this journal will fill that need suitably.

What would be the preferred method? I'm leaning towards wiki, since that seems to be the most obvious and expedient, but I am open to suggestions, provided there is need and/or interest.

Re: Interest check

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Try contacting the Tea Blogger; she's already taken on a lot of the documentation/archiving work recently and might be interested in a more-searchable-than-tumblr medium to work with!

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Andy's Pulling his Fic now

(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/116333186822/ive-taken-the-daydverse-off-ao3-with-the

I’ve taken the Daydverse off AO3 with the exception of the two main novels; just archiving it on ff.net now. I’m also going to be pulling down all of my adult Destiel works 24 hours from now, so if you want them, go save them.

Re: Andy's Pulling his Fic now

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He's going to abandon Andrew Blake and resurface in 2-3 months with a new name and a new fandom. He should wait a year if he wants to be effective, but he's impatient and he knows he's smarter than you, anyway. I predict he'll be active in fandom again by the fall.

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Andy wanting to make out with his underage followers

(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=133464#cmt133464

What the fuck is this? Is it serious? Is it a joke? Is it supposed to be funny?

So much for Andy's hand-wringing about the seriousness of sexual encounters with underage people.

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Ew what the shit.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-14 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmmm cut and run? Or trying to file off the numbers and become that elusive beast a published author ala a number of fanfic writer?

(Anonymous) 2015-04-14 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
Cut and run. If it was publishable, he'd have published it by now. I'd be surprised if he hadn't tried and been rejected, and therefore never mentioned it.

Andy's IP address

(Anonymous) 2015-04-14 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
For anyone who doesn't know. He also uses anonymizers like hidemyass, though apparently not very well.

Cox Communication - Williamsburg, Virginia, US - 70.161.160.253

Andy: Is he lurking on YOUR blog?

RELATED

(Anonymous) 2015-04-14 06:27 am (UTC)(link)
Speaking of, Andy sent this anon and was caught using that IP address (thanks for your sleuthing, thetigerisariver!):

http://imgur.com/vH9cOwg

We had someone show up here a few days ago claiming they were in tears over a certain discussion, this is an outrage, how dare we, etc. Now that we know Andy himself is running around pretending to be other people and claiming to be "sobbing and feeling sick" in regard to discussions about him, I'm going to suggest that tactic be viewed with a high degree of suspicion.

I have no problem with people disagreeing about what's discussed here and hashing it out, but as was said upthread, "I cried" is not an argument.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-14 08:51 am (UTC)(link)
http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=97880#cmt97880

I actually laughed out loud when I read this. Andy, how much more transparent can you get?

I mean, really. The Irish pseudonym, the references to Andy's "talent" and "goodness", the overwrought and teary-eyed references to humanity's capacity for redemption, the talk of how easy it would be to talk Andy into communicating further... if I thought Andy was worth it, I would have serious second-hand embarrassment cringe.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-14 09:04 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, that's... really embarrassing but so unshocking because Andy.

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DAYD

(Anonymous) 2015-04-14 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Has anyone actually made it through his "novels"? Because I'm trying to read Sluagh now, and holy hell.

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I've thought about giving it a go, but I can't even make it through one of his Tumblr posts without my eyes glazing over.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-14 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=101208#cmt101208

She's 55 now, mother of three, and a doctor for an insurance company.

All because she's still incredibly bitter that she didn't get to spend a weekend hanging out with the Fellowship and becoming a fandom superstar.


For a wordsmith he sure is clumsy with words.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-14 08:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Is Andy actually attributing Turimel being a doctor and having children to him screwing her over? Or this just a really clunky sentence?

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Andy posted on his Facebook that he's been offered a job doing costume design for a theater production. I suspect this is why he's covering his tracks, actually--he has a news article that paints him very favorably, and I think he'll try to discredit the rest and cover anything else that he can. There's too much on the internet for him to deny his past but he can definitely spin it.

That and he has never seemed to mind what he dismisses as "wank" in the past but he suddenly cares now. I think it's his new aspirations more than anything else.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-14 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
HOW is he doing costume design?!?! I've seen some of his cosplay, and it's nothing overly complicated (more wigs/makeup than anything). Can he even sew?!?!

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How he identifies/relfects on his past sexual relationships is pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and I don't think it's something we need to speculate on.

I think discussing how Andy frames his previous relationships is pretty damn critical, considering he routinely rewrites history frame himself as the victim and whitewashes his abuse of his romantic partners.

TRANSFAIL

In his own words, Andy "isn't trans, stop fucking misgendering me." Someone smarter than I has already posted about the fact that Andy demands all the accommodations of a trans identity, but rejects the identity itself.

You can't have it both ways, anon. You cannot demand respect for Andy's identity by rejecting his own statements about the identity he has. If your argument is that people get to define their own experiences however they like, then can Andy really be victimized by "transfail" when he claims to be cis?

If you do consider Andy trans, would that not mean you're rejecting the concept that people are the absolute arbiters of their identity and experiences?

I agree these are thorny issues to sort out, and I'm trans. I would suggest that the hysterical rhetoric surrounding Andy's gender plays right into hands, because it silences people and shuts down discussions. People of good faith can disagree or slip up. Screaming for the mods every time this happens is not productive.

Total fucking strangers (or anyone) do NOT get to come up and use ANY trans person's former public ways of identifying their sexuality and gender as "proof" of lying, for fuck's sake. This is basic fucking shit.

Yeah, except that isn't what happened. The "proof of his lying" has to do with the nature of his questioning, which did not start with a man, but a woman. Andy's claim that he fucked a guy just to figure out if he was gay was untrue. It was a full blown romantic relationship. Andy's old LJ where he runs through his relationship with his first boyfriend has been posted here:

http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=8024#cmt8024

Clearly Andy isn't "projecting his identity" back as a rule. Remember when he told Rhys he was the first man to ever make Andy question "hetero-all-the-things"? He projects his identity back selectively, when and if it serves his purposes. He uses it as a tool manipulate or love bomb prospective victims.

Lest we forget, Andy has even written notes as female-identified Amy Player within the last few years:

http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=34392#cmt34392

Remember when Andy wrote that he was using his "transgender leanings" to manipulate a mark? Along with heterosexual, lesbian and bisexual identities?

http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=88408#cmt88408

Exploring heteroflexible with transgender and/or lesbian leanings, sassy, liberal, rampantly slashy, definitely thinks all the boys were doing it, and probably the girls too. Needs a little hand-holding, but given an inch, willing to explore a mile…

That doesn't mean Andy isn't trans, of course, but it does demonstrate that he's happy to use that identity to manipulate others, then disown it when it suits him.

The bigger question might be, why does it matter if Andy tells lies like this about his past? I saw people handwave the post about his Irish heritage too, saying it was irrelevant.

Abbey touched on this when she said Andy tells hundreds upon hundreds of little lies. Those "little lies" that "don't matter" eventually add up to form an enormous pile of bullshit, making it difficult as hell to assess the truth about anything Andy says.

More importantly, these are lies that Andy has told very recently, which proves that Andy is still adhering to his old patterns. It also suggests to me that contrary to his claims, he doesn't hold any principles about identification. It's just another tool in his arsenal.
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[personal profile] anonymod 2015-04-15 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
New helper mod here, shutting this down for two reasons:

1. basic legalistic stuff; anonniemouse already shut this thread down and you are attempting to circumvent that. Please respect that mod decision, rules are important to the community's functioning properly &etc!

anonniemouse's stated reasons for closing this thread:

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with you here and I don't think it's relevant to the things Andy is doing NOW. How he identifies/relfects on his past sexual relationships is pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things and I don't think it's something we need to speculate on.

2. You're right, Andy does tell hundreds upon hundreds of little lies that stack up. However, folks who do not identify as cisgendered or heterosexual have their identities questioned in hundreds upon hundreds of little ways every day, and having this discussion right now is not worth adding to that pile and contributing to the general lack of safety in the world for those people.

If this is a conversation that is important to you, there are other places to have it (such as the andy-related tags on tumblr, where it is relatively simple to create a sock account and posts are relatively visible). I'm not comfortable hosting it here, as this is a very thin line to tread and there are hundreds upon hundreds of other little lies to dissect without looking for them in this specific corner.
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Okay, maybe it's just me, but that last comment shouldn't have been frozen. I know people love to wank about this stuff, but that comment was not wanky. It's the sort of things that attracts wankers, true, but cutting off decent threads out of fear of wank is why this place was created.

Unless someone is actually being disrespectful or obviously trolling, I think more discussion is better than less.

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Well, the ban on FAA is over tomorrow. At this point we may as well go back there, since it looks like it's not shaping up much different in tf talk.

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Troll Stomping

(Anonymous) 2015-04-15 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
Good catch, mods! I know it can't be easy to put up with the constant barrage of shit the trolls are flinging, trying to see what sticks.
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Clarifications

[personal profile] delwynmarch 2015-04-15 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
Posting logged-in to confirm my identity. Mods, you now have my IP, so you can verify my claims. You can even drop me a PM using your mod accounts to ask for further details if you wish.

Now: I haven't been doing stuff on the internet, let alone taking part in anything Andy-related (not even my Tumblr) since about the day this community opened.

I can remember making ONE comment in this comm: the one suggesting the creation of what I just discovered is now called "the Pit". It's possible I made a couple more, but they were all very early on.

I did NOT make the comments people have attributed to me in the threads above.

I would very much appreciate if people stopped assuming I must have written whatever they don't like.

Thank you.

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-15 03:53 am (UTC)(link)
I posted my support of a gray area gloves off board in the relevant thread, but since it's crowded I'm reposting. And correcting a typo that's bugging the shit out of me.

http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/272.html?thread=198416#cmt198416

I vote 100% for a "gloves off" area. There are things that are relevant that shouldn't be shut down, but they are triggering and thorny as fuck. I do think we should shut down abuse toward other commenters, but an "at your own risk" side thread would probably be helpful for a lot of people. I know there is a LOT I haven't or feel I can't talk about wrt the abuse I went through because it's in the gray area.

-KQ

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Andy Wrocks Out, Part 2 - Electric Bugaloo

(Anonymous) 2015-04-15 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
Grab hold of your second-hand embarrassment, TFT, because Andy's got another single out, and it's the musical equivalent of coughing up a throwing star:

It's Supernatural-themed parody of Ke$ha's Tik Tok.

I won’t bother posting the lyrics here. If you’ve heard the song, you don’t need reminding, and if you haven’t heard it, you wouldn’t believe that I wasn’t making them up.

http://picosong.com/Xs7u/

Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.

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I think... I think I felt my body actually contort with the cringe.

Question: did ANYONE make it all the way through? I think I lasted about 20 seconds.

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Re: Message from the mod

(Anonymous) 2015-04-15 07:37 am (UTC)(link)
I think you're doing a great job so far. Stumbles are to be expected!

For what it's worth, I don't think the mods on FFA would be nearly as collaborative with the community as you have been. I think that's a strength that distinguishes this place from FFA.

Based on what I've seen so far, I have high hopes for this comm.

Question

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I apologize if this is out of line, and please feel free to freeze this if it is, but I have a question. Regardless of how Andy identifies in private, is there any likelihood that he would adopt a female pen name solely for his online activities? Given some of his past statements, it's doubtful, but I can't help thinking it would be an easy way to hide in plain sight, and slow down any attempts to find him. And I hope I haven't just given him an idea!

Re: Question

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Knowing what I know about Andy, yes, anything is possible. But part of me finds it hard to believe he'd ever be willing to adopt a female persona, even as part of a ruse, as he's too sexist and attached to his Super Macho Manly Man self-image.

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Rabbit?

(Anonymous) 2015-04-15 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I almost hesitate but I've checked the pit and tb's blog and can't find it. So what's the story with the rabbit?

Re: Rabbit?

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WARNING: ANIMAL ABUSE

http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=82520#cmt82520

When entrusted with the care of a rabbit, she ignored it, not feeding, nor watering, nor cleaning its cage, letting it die. This may have been deliberate, as she frequently hinted at her dislike towards the animal, simply because it was too big to be a normal rabbit.

Andy admitted the rabbit died. I read elsewhere that Andy claimed that it escaped it's cage, chewed a wire and was electrocuted.

I'm inclined to believe what the ex-boyfriend says, because Andy.

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Danaoffthedancefloor

(Anonymous) 2015-04-15 09:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Does anyone know the context behind this comment?

http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/97974.html?thread=480802230#cmt480802230

As for Danaoffthedancefloor... she's probably example #1 that I would give to people who think that no real emotional harm can come from getting involved with Andy. Definitely not the only example I could give but... definitely one of the most upsetting and raw.

Re: Danaoffthedancefloor

(Anonymous) 2015-04-15 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/97483.html?thread=477418187#cmt477418187

^ FFA's discussion about it, with links to her posts

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(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
Sooo... when does the fire pit* open up? It seems the community was pretty in favor of it?

*by which I mean the gray area mostly not nodded side thread? We have the pit for archiving, so that's where the name idea came from

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Fire pit. I love it!

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