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I've seen a few posts about this video and Andy has been doing a lot of deletion. Is anyone able to back it up? I'm on my phone but I can try to transcribe it later.

The fandom link is what makes me think he doesn't have much of a real life going on. He just doesn't understand that the vast majority of people do not reference fandom 24/7. I've had a few run-ins with grabby drunks, and it's,without exception, 'do you want to fuck me?' or some varient of that. Not 'would you want to fuck Thor?'

This is like the evil flip side of Chris, the fictional marine who expressed his longings for closeness via Lord of the Rings. Andy just doesn't speak anything but fandom.

God, this. Just like he peppers his personal posts with jarring references to fandom, he's doing it here, too: in a bogus post about sexual harassment. The MCU angle was showing his ass and made the story -- even without all the "I've never understood what it's like to be treated this way!" rubbish -- completely unbelievable.

I've had a few run-ins with grabby drunks, and it's,without exception, 'do you want to fuck me?' or some varient of that. Not 'would you want to fuck Thor?'

SAME. No guy has ever approached me in this way (not that it couldn't happen ever, but this is Andy, come on) and I find it an exceedingly unlikely scenario. About as likely as a guy offering to put Linux on your computer in the middle of a train station.

It's especially unlikely because it's Andy. A sexual abuser who uses fandom to abuse his victims is harrassed by the only drunk in the world who would also, totally randomly, use fandom as a means of harassment. We're working with miniscule levels of probability here.

He could have at least claimed that this happened in a parking lot after a late showing of the Avengers or something.

I have a copy in case he tries to delete it.

He also claimed a small child saw him outside and said he looked just like Tonks from Harry Potter. A kid so young they still engaged in baby talk, calling him a "magamageegee" or something.

I immediately rolled my eyes at this, because it sounded exactly like the made-up Australian alter kid Abbey talked about, who called Boo a "kuki-buki" or whatever, trying to say Kookaburra.

I have a two year-old. The odds of a child that young remembering the name Tonks from either the books OR the movies is so damn unlikely.

Oddly enough, I have an especially close friend who is Australian, and when I heard that story, I asked him if that was anything CLOSE to baby-talk for a Kookaburra.

Once he stopped laughing at me, he said no, he'd never heard any such thing. He also attempted to correct my American pronunciation of kookaburra. Then I told him about the Victoria Bitter name and history, and his single pronouncement was, "Sounds like the old girl picked a proper name, that stuff's poison."

Aussie nonnie here and I love VB! The beer, of course.

:D The man is a bit of a beer and liquor snob, so I don't doubt it's not quite as bad as he paints it.

I just watched that video, and I think what really bothers me about it is that she comes across as younger than her actual age, even though I'm not sure how old she was when it was made. Does it strike anyone else that way?

I'm ESL, so I don't understand everything she says, but it seems to me that around 1:29, she says, "and then Andy comes back" or something like that? Can someone check, please? Because if so, this wouldn't be a call addressed to Andy, right?

Sometimes people will speak to another person in the third person as a way of being playful. You also sometimes hear people speaking about themselves in the third person for the same reason.

It's addressed to Andy. She's engaging in a kind of silly-talk.

Sorry to insist, but how do we know that?

Brittany was friends with a bunch of people who can confirm she wasn't dating anyone at that time, having recently broken up with her ex. The only person she would be sending this kind of message to on Valentine's Day would have been Thanfiction, who claimed she sent it to him and he later found it saved on a thumb drive.

Who knows if the last part is true, but from the context and the conversation, it's pretty obvious that it was meant for TF.

There's literally no context and no conversation, AND she says "when Andy comes back". To me, the logical conclusion is that this was NOT meant for Andy. Quite frankly, I believe he appropriated it to support his reboot version that they were a couple when she died. As to who she could have been sending it to: any close female friend, for starters.

I think it's a little odd to send a Valentine's Day message with that tone to a platonic female friend.

I think Andy lies constantly about their relationship, but I have no problem at all believing there was romantic tension between them. I can think of several women Andy led on/flirted with who became very infatuated with him after Brittany's death. It's almost part of his MO, honestly.

It's really a very ordinary thing to do in English when someone is being playful and affectionate. Today, before my partner left for work, she said "I love my Sophie" to me (I am Sophie).

SA: Obviously, that isn't my real name because this is an anon meme, but you get my point.

Please don't change the subject line of a thread if you can help it! It makes flatview harder to read and screws up email threading for those of us who are tracking by email alert.

I'm sure this mistake will be made a lot since this place has attracted a lot of people who haven't used DW/LJ before, so that's kind of a general reminder.

The entire part where she talks about how "you don't have to perform for me" 100% reads as something for Andy. And if you accept that he was channelling for Brittany, she could believe she's sending a message to one of the alters, hence the third person mention of Andy. Just because Andy is a liar doesn't mean he's lying about everything.

Considering that Brittany's family barred Andy from her funeral, I find it hard to believe that he would have managed to GET a message actually intended for another friend, or that there wouldn't be someone vocally saying it wasn't meant for him. I think the simplest explanation is that he indeed had the message saved for whatever reason, and chose to whip it out at the time he thought would have the greatest emotional impact.

The entire part where she talks about how "you don't have to perform for me" 100% reads as something for Andy.

I read it as Brittany telling him he didn't have to be "on" all the time.

Just because Andy is a liar doesn't mean he's lying about everything.

+1. Even a broken clock, etc.

I think this comment might have misfired?

I'm doing this here because the content is hard to address without mentioning that Andy is trans. In this comment from the Pit (http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=359768#cmt359768) Andy says " I stopped growing at about fifteen – xrays show that the growth plates in my wrists still aren’t even closed – as if my body knew its limits and was trying to preserve itself."

This seems unnecessary to back up the heart defect lie, so what purpose is it serving? Is it just to make him seem special? Is it supposed to explain his slim, gracile appearance? Is it, by random chance, true?

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