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anonniemouse ([personal profile] anonniemouse) wrote in [community profile] tf_talk2015-04-16 10:55 am

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Re: Meg answers anon asks

(Anonymous) 2015-05-01 05:33 am (UTC)(link)
Hey Meg, I don't know if you're still answering anons, but if you are I'm interested to know what Andy is like as a roommate? I read this answer from a DAYDian, just wanted to know if your experience is different: http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/131587.html?thread=685875715#cmt685875715

Thanks

Re: Meg answers anon asks

(Anonymous) 2015-05-01 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
The previous groundskeeper, so to speak, got engaged and was set to move out at the end of August. The Players like having someone else around to help with general all-around-the-house things, but mostly with caring for the horses. When he moved out, I was asked if I would like to move in. Since I was living in my barracks at the time and the mere thought of staying overnight there would cause my heart to start racing in fear, I happily accepted the offer.

I get along with them really well! They're very kind to me and both have great senses of humor and are very caring people.

I'm treated basically like family. I'm involved in a lot of decisions like house maintenance and gatherings and such. I'm considered basically a close family friend to them, and they said regardless of my relationship with Andy, they will always be my friends and mentors. They're a lot like second parents to me.

- Meg

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 07:06 am (UTC)(link)
Personally I think Meg should just be off topic so she doesn't have an excuse to post pro Andy stuff.

We get it, Andy and friends F5 like crazy anything mentioning him because all attention is good.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 12:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think that will stop her posting now.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 01:05 pm (UTC)(link)
And it is sure as shooting shutting down discussion because Meg is around.

I am sad that down the road we are going to hear how all this was dictated not read.

I am sure she is a lovely person however what she is saying is truly scary considering the patterns that have been shown previously.

Andy or whatever he is calling himself this week for all his 'I'm sorry' always pulls it back to himself.

Once he can do something that is selfless then he is the self centered life destroying jerk he has been his entire life.

family than

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 05:41 pm (UTC)(link)
One of the things I'm most curious about, but reluctant to bring up, is his parents. Abbey and Megan's and Jenn all say they're really nice people, but that's so at odds with the picture Andy paints. I don't mean the obvious lies like Cierra the Child Prostitute, I mean the stuff like making him sleep in a spider infested outbuilding first when he went home even though he claimed to be phobic. Or making him stay in his room rather than upset his supposedly intolerant sister. Is ANY of that true, and if it's not, why does he continue telling these stories about the parents he's supposedly so close to?

Re: family than

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Possibly because they're nice people. Something tells me Thanfiction wouldn't breathe a negative word about his parents if he feared retaliation. If he doesn't, well...

I don't know, because even "nice" families can hide dysfunction.Thanfiction being Thanfiction, though, I have to give his parents the benefit of the doubt.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
NA.

And it is sure as shooting shutting down discussion because Meg is around.

I noticed that too. I think it's great that nonnies want to be kind to Andy's victims, but it bothers me that it's turning into a nice way to slow down discussion. I'm sure Andy knows it, too.

And there's no way people who are sympathetic to him aren't reading here. That's a given. IMHO, it's important to be kind to them, but they're not the ones who any talk on Andy's behavior will reach, not until they're ready to leave him. It's the ones Andy hasn't gotten to yet that benefit from knowing what he's done.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

I'm sure Andy knows it, too.

Absolutely, he does.

Re: family than

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Or making him stay in his room rather than upset his supposedly intolerant sister.

I'm amazed that you A) take any of those stories at face value, and B) assume that Andy's sister doesn't have a damn good reason to demand no contact with him on the rare occasions she's home. We know what he did to Abbey and his friends when they were together when they were on good terms. Who the hells know what his sister (who he seems to despise) has had to deal with from him, even putting aside the fact that he blamed her for his abuse of others.

Re: family than

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Andy lies about his family constantly. I don't believe a word out of his mouth.

Re: family than

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
It's my impression that his sister has never forgiven him for 1.) the bogus abuse allegations against their father, and 2.) the faked suicide.

Frankly I don't blame her if that's the case.

Re: family than

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep. They are the most supportive, wonderful, on his side people ever, or mustache twirling villains depending on his narrative of the moment.

Re: family than

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm trying NOT to take these stories at face value, that's just it. But assuming he's lying (a safe assumption) doesn't automatically explain the family dynamic to me either, because honestly I have trouble understanding why two nice people (according to multiple people) would even be housing him. I mean, say you're right and he's done awful things to his sister.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I admit I didn't post something last night because of the Meg being right there angle, I have to give this some thought.

Re: family than

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
OP No, me either. I'd never be able to move past that.

Re: family than

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I rather imagine that if Andy's sister went public with the kind of stuff he's put her and her parents through it'd be a litany of abuse and fucked up situations we could barely imagine.

Re: family than

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I think this is interesting/puzzling to talk about, but it has gotten unfortunately wanky in the past.

I can grasp how his parents might think that having him in the house is safer both for him and for others, but at the same time, if safety is their goal, it is bizarre to me that they would enable so much of his fandom activity, and absolutely mind-boggling that they would move Meg in with him. That seems like such a spectacularly bad decision.

Re: family than

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I keep having to remind myself that they probably don't know half the specifics of what he's been doing. Like, it is bizarre enough to try to imagine his father being okay with Andy draining someone's abscess, but it's IMPOSSIBLE to think he'd have signed off on that if he'd heard about the hike. But of course, he hasn't. How could he? It's not like Andy would have told him.

Re: family than

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
DA Yeah, like, I don't take his stories at face value, and honestly, I think that demanding he stay in his room when his sister is home would show they actually have some parenting skills.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup I think thats exactly why she's doing it and Andy is encouraging it as part of his hiding in plan sight shit. Because he thinks it's funny to dangle her right in front of us and have her talk about how the meen h8rs are making her stay closer to Andy.

Its sad but it's manipulative as hell so it's amazing people here fall for it

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh good, some wild speculation.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol wat.

They live together, she now works for his family and Andy famously doesn't have any real employment.

Not that out there.

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
DA There's nothing "wild" about that speculation, anon, it's part of a known pattern.

Re: family than

(Anonymous) 2015-05-03 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
This.

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