Gloves Off

[anonniemouse]

Please use this post for discussion of those contentious, murky, triggering issues too complex to discuss/moderate on the main post.

Note that this post is NOT a free-for-all and will still be modded for slurs, namecalling, doxxing and trolling. But fair warning that it will not be moderated for discussion of issues some find triggering (trans issues, mental illness, etc.) and that if you choose to participate here, you do so at your own risk.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that will stop her posting now.

[(Anonymous)]

And it is sure as shooting shutting down discussion because Meg is around.

I am sad that down the road we are going to hear how all this was dictated not read.

I am sure she is a lovely person however what she is saying is truly scary considering the patterns that have been shown previously.

Andy or whatever he is calling himself this week for all his 'I'm sorry' always pulls it back to himself.

Once he can do something that is selfless then he is the self centered life destroying jerk he has been his entire life.

[(Anonymous)]

NA.

And it is sure as shooting shutting down discussion because Meg is around.

I noticed that too. I think it's great that nonnies want to be kind to Andy's victims, but it bothers me that it's turning into a nice way to slow down discussion. I'm sure Andy knows it, too.

And there's no way people who are sympathetic to him aren't reading here. That's a given. IMHO, it's important to be kind to them, but they're not the ones who any talk on Andy's behavior will reach, not until they're ready to leave him. It's the ones Andy hasn't gotten to yet that benefit from knowing what he's done.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I'm sure Andy knows it, too.

Absolutely, he does.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup I think thats exactly why she's doing it and Andy is encouraging it as part of his hiding in plan sight shit. Because he thinks it's funny to dangle her right in front of us and have her talk about how the meen h8rs are making her stay closer to Andy.

Its sad but it's manipulative as hell so it's amazing people here fall for it

[(Anonymous)]

Oh good, some wild speculation.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol wat.

They live together, she now works for his family and Andy famously doesn't have any real employment.

Not that out there.

[(Anonymous)]

DA There's nothing "wild" about that speculation, anon, it's part of a known pattern.

[anonymod]

Posting from phone: I've been out of the country and falling down on moderation in this space lately, but I get back Wednesday and would like to strategize on better ways to handle this kind of social pressure. If it's a problem and is inhibiting discussion, what would the best solution be? Freezing any and all meg/andy/etc replies when they are posted? Moving that stuff immediately to gloves off? I don't want to foster an echo chamber reputation for andy to use to discredit this spot and i also don't want to create unenforceable rules or anonymity restrictions that would limit posters like abbey from contributing, but it's clear that he's having his troops come in specifically to defend him, and I don't want to be giving him more tools to abuse people with.

[(Anonymous)]

My opinion and your mileage may vary, allow the pit to be the pit.

Let Meg and even Andy comment where and when they like. Free Internet and all that.

However when it is in the pit unless it devolves into dropping docs and the like or turns into a troll garden, leave it alone.

Give people vent space here and let the other space be polite to the point of too polite.

That gives both a safe(r) space for the discussion and a place that allowed people to vent a bit especially when they become frustrated with the machinations of others (both pro and anti).

I do want to thank you for even trying to keep the discussion going in a civil manner and making this space for conversation.

[(Anonymous)]

I think there's a risk of any space open to the public where Andy gets mentioned being a place where he can send people in to defend him. I think moving threads they actively get involved in to GO might be a good idea when in doubt, but I think to some extent we just need to accept that if it's publicly accessible, he and/or his friends will probably show up at some point.

(To be honest, I think I might prefer if Andy himself showed up, rather than sending his friends to do it for him, but I guess that would just be too much courage to ask even of the Ultimate Gryffindor.)

[(Anonymous)]

Ultimate Gryffindor is busy fighting more important battles!

Like not dropping out of school and attempting to move out at age 31.

[(Anonymous)]

Is it really slowing things down? I feel like the past couple of days have been busier than most of the last week. Partly I think it's just that the ban on FFA has been lifted and there haven't really been any major new developments. I'm sure Meg's presence is a factor, and I have my concerns, but I don't think we need to panic just yet.

[(Anonymous)]

I admit I didn't post something last night because of the Meg being right there angle, I have to give this some thought.