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I was mostly curious because in LB's takedown of Andy's "apology " they mentioned they hoped he was lying about the new personality of Andy being a random guy who's come through the mindhole, because if Andy wasn't lying about that he legit ripped some poor person away from their life and forced them to deal with his garbage fire life.
Which makes it sound like LB legitimately thinks channelling is real in the sense of a soul moving from one body to another, not as simply a delusion/ manifestation of DID.

Andy: As I try to tactfully explain, this was the first one who had openly been male. And as horrible as it was - because to him and his as I’ve mentioned before full personality and previous memories, he’d been yanked from his life and thrown into this mess - it was at the same time wonderful in a way I couldn’t possibly describe to be able to look over memories and actions and have them feel somehow more right even as they were so so wrong.

LB Lee: So what you're saying is, you took this dude, ripped him away from his life, forced him to deal with YOUR bullshit, but it was just SO NICE to have a guy in your head that you chose to do nothing about it and keep him around? That's a terrible thing to do. What a shitty channeler you are. I dearly hope you're lying here, because if it's true, I feel incredibly sorry for the chump who got stuck with you.

I took this to be a hypothetical, not necessarily a statement that LB Lee believes a person can be forcibly removed from their body and become nothing more than a presence in someone else's mind. Like, "If Andy's telling the truth, and if this is actually how it works, I feel sorry for that poor guy." The one time I've seen them write about a factive member of a multiple system (not theirs), they said the factive was "based off" the real person.

Ok that make sense. I was just having a hard time understanding how to take that blog post.

LB has done a lot of writing about people using pop-culture DID diagnoses as a pretext for cult-founding and chronic abuse. In most of this material, they clarify that they're describing their own lived experience and the lived experience of people in the DID community who are trying to live with the condition in a functional, ethical, positive way. They've said repeatedly that they don't know for sure if multiplicity is a particularly strong and compelling coping mechanism, or if "alters" are real, but that when it comes to managing systems, that doesn't really matter.

One point they keep coming back to when discussing Andy, who used a DID diagnosis as an excuse for cult-building, partner abuse, and criminal behavior, is that in their experience with DID, there may be personalities or personality aspects that are destructive or lash out, and that it's the responsibility of the system to try to keep that aspect of themselves under control. That's a responsibility most of the people with the condition that they know take on as a matter of course, in the same way most people consider it their responsibility to keep a violent temper in check.

In LB's experience in the DID community, most people who identify as systems are horrified at the thought of a destructive alter lashing out and harming other people, and will do whatever they can to contain the behavior, in stark difference to Andy's claims that he was only too glad to let his supposed destructive personalities "take him" and create endless chains of abusive and criminal situations. Whether LB believes that alters are different people, or aspects of one person is almost beside the point-- their issue is that within the community of people who find themselves living this way, it's a priority to manage their condition to make sure they're being ethical to people and personalities inside and outside the system, not use their experience of multiplicity as an excuse to be an abuser.

I think when LB was talking about Andy ripping some poor guy away from his life, they were mostly trying to illustrate Andy's abuser mentality. Like within the DID community there may not be consensus about whether or not this is a supernaturally "real" phenomenon or an experiental (or delusional) one, but there IS consensus that when these personalities appear, you don't just treat them like toys or force them to deal with your life because they have some identity aspect (like gender, which bothered LB because they are also ftm transmasc) you like. Treating internal aspects of yourself that you claim/believe are separate consciousnesses like tools or toys to use and abuse is about being an abusive person, not a symptom of DID.

Thanks, that's actually a really clarifying breakdown of what was confusing me.

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