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Yeah he really does have some fatphobia issues he needs to deal with; it keeps cropping up here and it's gross.

You ain't seem nothin' yet.

WARNING: Body shaming.

http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/tagged/preach!

Andy responds to an image of an extremely thin model by asking if she's Golem's sister.

http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/15343938644/i-know-this-is-supposed-to-be-a-sexy-shot-but

Rundown of why a thin woman's appearance makes him cringe, including the fact that she's "starving" and emaciated from "inactivity". Sure, Andy.

He's also reblogged the classic REAL MEN LIKE CURVES, DOGS LIKE BONES.

How on earth did he ever manage to convince anyone he's Mr. SJW? This just makes him look like a misogynist and an asshole. That sort of thing really doesn't go over well in most areas of tumblr; I'm surprised he wasn't called out and severely.

Er, how does he know that the woman in the second picture you linked is a white woman with a fake tan and not just... an actual brown woman? I'm confused and also really creeped out he thought it appropriate of him to dissect the appearance of random women on the internet, considering his claims of being more SJW than thou.

What he finds sexy is not something he needs to share and certainly not something he needs to use to shame women who don't conform to his tastes, regardless of whether or not those women are ~ideal~ to a majority of people.

I'm baffled that someone who claims to be a cis white male got away with this on tumblr considering others have been chased out with pitchforks for far lesser crimes.

Because she has tan lines, anon. Everyone knows only white people get tan lines.

Seriously though, he doesn't. Just like he has no clue about her "inactivity". I mean, sure, you can tell she isn't eating 10,000 calories per day and that she isn't a bodybuilder, but beyond that? He's just pulling stuff out of his ass.

I think he got away with it because he was criticizing a thin woman. It took a good long while before people starting pushing back against "thin shaming" on tumblr. It was once considered "punching up" and was pretty acceptable.

Seriously! My immediate impression was that the photo was of a WOC.

And also that she has a perfectly normal body. I mean, look, nobody should be body shamed, but that's not a photo of an emaciated woman. That's a perfectly normal, albeit thin, body.

Seriously, seriously skeevy. And one of the few times I wish tumblr SJWs woulda jumped down somebody's throat.

Here's Andy's version of a "compassionate" post to thin women:

http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=386904#cmt386904

Men’s tastes are as diverse as women’s, but there is still such a thing as majority, and what you’ll see appealing to that majority is stuff like this, and it ain’t no 92lbs

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And again, your self worth really, really, really shouldn’t be defined by the male gaze. But at the same time, I just can’t stand seeing one more post outright lying to girls that the only way to make boys want them is to starve themselves into something that the vast majority of guys I know - myself included - would want only in the context of wanting to give a sandwich to.

Haha, a sandwich! Because, you know, that meme about women starving themselves needing a sandwich. Get it?

Seems like an appropriate subject for a witty ending line!

Several of Andy's body-shaming posts were discussed by the AA blogs, including this one.

You should see the one where he calls innocent pictures of three of his female friends in wet clothes and partially undressed (I think they'd just had a food fight or something like that) "sexier than porn".

I have seen it. Wish I hadn't.

Ah yes, the dual mocking of a woman's body and eating disorders. So fucking compassionate and empathetic, our Andrew.

Dude, not every think woman is unhealthy and starving herself, just like fat women aren't all sad sacks who ooze and are just looking for any fucker to give them affection/sex.

Ugh, so gross!

It is completely tone-deaf as to the causes of things like anorexia or bulimia, namely a need for control and body dysphoria, not necessarily a need to be attractive to men. Since women are people and don't just live for the male gaze, and all.

NA Absolutely. In fact, my own eating disorder was, if anything, connected to a desire to de-sexualize myself and avoid unwanted male attention. I had gone from a skinny kid who could wear shorts without being bothered to a young teenager who was suddenly a creeper magnet in the same outfits.
Obviously, this isn't the way it works for everyone, but it speaks to how little he knows about the stuff he pontificates about.

Yeah, I was always thin because of fast metabolism (and my work schedule unfortunately), and this post bothered me so much. I mean, putting down one body type in order to praise another is exactly what body shaming means.
(Not to sound rude, but it seems like Andy targets the women of particular body type, either because he's actually attracted to them, or because he figures that a lot of them have low self-esteem and instead of working to raise it, he makes them believe that only he can make them feel special and loved.)

Not to sound rude, but it seems like Andy targets the women of particular body type, either because he's actually attracted to them, or because he figures that a lot of them have low self-esteem and instead of working to raise it, he makes them believe that only he can make them feel special and loved.

+1

>>but it seems like Andy targets the women of particular body type, either because he's actually attracted to them, or because he figures that a lot of them have low self-esteem and instead of working to raise it, he makes them believe that only he can make them feel special and loved.<<

+ a sextillion. Totally this. If he likes this particular body type, no big whoop & no reason for shame; plenty of men (even thin men, WOW!) like the plus-size ladies. Some like them even larger. I'm a pretty regular-size gal--well, now that I'm in my fifth decade I fall into the "overweight" category at the dr's office--but my hubby & I swing and I can honestly say we've seen beautiful women of all sizes (and this may be TMI, but one of the best lovers I ever had was a 300+ lb guy from Fresno. Yes, you can giggle at the thought.) But seriously, every day, pretty much anywhere you go, you see thinner women w. big men or big gals w. thinner men. Nobody points or laughs, at least in my experience. Who really cares?

Oh, but Andy *really* cares. He can't, f'rinstance, make the Wal-Mart lady a desperate skinny meth-head w. bad teeth...which he'd be just as likely to encounter. He can't make the Avengers fanboy a reasonably good-looking fellow who talks a good game. I've met a few of those. (Maybe reminds him too much of someone? Tho for the record I don't find Andy in the least attractive, even if I were judging him solely by looks.) Nah, they both have to be fat, uncouth, and so utterly ridiculous that even reading them as fiction we say, "Oh puhr-leeze--"

These stories serve a purpose beyond, in the Wal-Mart one, "Alas, pity me, can't say no to someone's whose hurting even if they're FAT and unhygienic!" & in the fanboy one, "Oh girls, I feel your pain, I will rescue you from these FAT JERKS and change the world w. my mighty Tumblr!" Probably someone smarter than me has already pointed this out, but I think they have a more sinister secondary purpose: They're essentially veiled warnings to his followers. He could be saying:

a) I love you in spite of your disgusting looks, but you'd be sooo much better if you shaped up,and maybe *then* we could be romantic (but that will never happen, b/c then I won't be able to use you the way I do currently);

b) Plus-sized people are naturally unattractive, but not you...till I decide you're not. (Or I run out of uses for you);

c) Small men/women can't be unhygienic or ridiculous liars like the Avengers fanboy, right? (RIGHT??? RIGHT???)

Might be reading too much into it, but I put nothing past Than, even subconsciously. Frankly, as another nonny said, these stories make me want to run a hot bath and add Clorox.

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