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Yeah, it looks like someone sprinkled dust on that sink. That's not what true mentally ill people who live in filth because of it mean when they refer to a "dirty sink". If your sink only needs a single wipe-around to clean, it's not "I can't take care of myself"-dirty.

Same for his room and desk. Look at the pic of the room:
- there's a laundry basket on the left with nothing in it
- there are no books stuffed haphazardly everywhere in the bookcase
- there's no pile of stuff on the top of the bookcase
- there are piles of stuff on the desk - but the desk is not accessible anyway! The big cushion-seat blocks the chair (and the door too apparently??)
- there's no leftover food anywhere. Or leftover food containers. Or dirty dishes, or paper plates.
- Most tellingly of all: there's only a single layer of stuff on the floor, and no path through it.

I'm the type of person Andy is pretending to be in these pics: unable to properly take care of my surroundings because of mental illness. These pictures have nothing to do with "filthy" in my eyes. They have to do with "Hollywood messy". I say they were staged.

Another mentally ill nonnie who struggles with maintaining her surroundings noticed all the same things.

He may be a slob, but that's not on the level of 'incapable of caring for oneself' that I associate with the most severe episodes of mental illness. At least in my experience.

FFS, I am not mentally ill (at least not diagnosed), but I don't keep my pens and markers in separate containers! I mean, there is not a single pen on the table with all the papers lying there. Even all of his pencils are in a cup.
And his table only has papers on it. I just looked across the room, and my desk is filled with so many things that are not supposed to be there. Including a coffee mug.

NA

This mentally ill nonnie is sad looking at Andy's room pictures. I thought my room was relatively okay right now, but it's still lots messier than what Andy's room seems to be. Oh well, at least I haven't blocked to door with random stuff yet...

YANA

Don't be sad. For one thing, like everybody's said, he's not mentally ill messy. He's just lazy and exaggerating messy. Your judgement of how neat or not your room is for you is probably a whole lot more accurate when you're not comparing yourself to him. If your room is messier than you think it should be and you can't bring yourself to clean it, then it's a good idea to look a bit closer into how you're feeling - but don't judge yourself by Andy standards, because his logic is not our Earth logic.

That may be, although DAYD hike anon described Andy as filthy and WJ said he refused to clean up after himself. It may be more of an selfish, immature slob "filthy" than mental illness level of filthy, though.

He's not living alone, though. Considering everything else his parents have to put up with, I don't think they'd mind much picking up after him, cleaning up his messes (I'm thinking in the kitchen in particular), and possibly even cleaning his bathroom or having hired help come to do it. Also, Megan was already often as his place before she moved in, so she might have straightened things in his room whenever she was over. All of this is pure speculation of course, but the bottom line is that he's not living alone, so there are people to clean his mess anyway if needs be.

...well shit, all those things he doesn't have are things I have in my room right now. That's spooky. Though I did already know I was mentally ill. And I am at least trying to work on a lot of it. My desk is actually the least messy because I'm never there.

There is one tiny layer of papers on that desk and a METICULOUSLY organized plastic pen/pencil organizer immediately to the left. It doesn't even look dusty.

Unrelated and a month late, but:

Bless you, nonnie. Ive internalised a lot of shame regarding my inability to keep things clean (years of my parents telling me that if I couldn't do X, I'd never manage being a doctor, which is still a goal), and having you list those as symptoms of mental illness really helped me out today.

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