Gloves Off

[anonniemouse]

Please use this post for discussion of those contentious, murky, triggering issues too complex to discuss/moderate on the main post.

Note that this post is NOT a free-for-all and will still be modded for slurs, namecalling, doxxing and trolling. But fair warning that it will not be moderated for discussion of issues some find triggering (trans issues, mental illness, etc.) and that if you choose to participate here, you do so at your own risk.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I was going to disagree with this. I even thought her coming here seemed like a positive sign. She commented that she didn't dislike the people here and found everyone polite. I was naively hopeful that meant she was becoming more open to listening.

And then her latest post. http://topographical-curves.tumblr.com/post/118063100878/la-la-la-youre-not-listening

I don't think discussion of her should be banned as off-topic, because I don't know how it could be policed when it involves discussion of Andy. But just like everyone has said before, engaging with her directly on Andy's abuse only drives her closer to him. The cognitive dissonance is indeed very strong with this one.

And I wish the people who are concern trolling her blog would stop.

[(Anonymous)]

She's so mad we weren't abusive to her.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think there's much if anything to be gained by going into her space and messing with her. Of course, I have no way of knowing if asks were sent by people here, faked by Andy/others close to him, or sent by randoms. There's no way to know or to control anyone's acts but my own.

I sent her one ask a long time ago complimenting her photography because I thought it was good. Other than that I keep my commentary in designated places.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

FWIW, you're not the only one who's complimented her on her photography; I think her compositional skills are especially good. It saddens me that she thinks she doesn't have the artistic talent Andy does. She has a sense of how to put a picture together; all he can do is copy other peoples' photos, usually badly, and his attempts to splice several tracings into a composition are fucking painful to me.

[(Anonymous)]

SA And also I was contacted by a posse member about my opinions on Andy's art; during the conversation Meg's talents came up. I agree that people concern trolling her on her tumblr should step back, not least because it's only gonna make her dig her heels in, but I just wanted to mention that not all the PM contact she's had has been unsolicited.

[(Anonymous)]

I was wondering when she'd make a post like that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I was waiting for exactly this as well.

[(Anonymous)]

Ouch. Reading that I can remember so vividly how annoyed and even angry I'd get when people tried to warn me away from Than. I actually avoided conversations with people I knew would criticise him, because it felt like an attack on my judgment and my ability to maintain a distance from him.
-Carlanime

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who's been in a similar but much diluted position, what do you think someone who was concerned about you could have said to make you see the light as far as Andy was concerned? What would have got through to you, or did it really have to be a conclusion you came to yourself?

[(Anonymous)]

The only thing that might have worked (and I can't be sure) is if instead of focusing on how he was a bad person, or dangerous for me to know, they had simply pointed out that I was wasting my time/energy/money on someone who would drop me without regret. That MIGHT have gotten through. Nothing would have convinced me he didn't DESERVE affection, but I was always a little aware he couldn't/didn't really return it.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't it funny that she's done with us the minute some of us start questioning her story? (I asked her to clarify whether they asked her father for advice before or after draining the abscess, because she's claimed both.) And suddenly, she's stomping off because we just won't listen to her truth. Okay, then!

I do find it interesting that she's made it clear what she was up to. She wasn't here to talk. She was here to convert.

[(Anonymous)]

There's something weirdly familiar about that post. I think it's the la-la-la thing. Wasn't "la-la-la-no-hobbits" one of the code words Abbey mentioned making up part of the vocabulary of her cult?

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe. But "la la la I'm not listening" is a very common expression.

[(Anonymous)]

well that's just the least subtle code word ever. andy must have thought long and hard to come up with that one.

[(Anonymous)]

I doubt it's a code word, but Andy's friends seem to pick up a lot of his lingo. I remember one of the DAYD hikers claiming he had a "cranial rectal inversion", which was one of Andy's oft-repeated lines for a while.

[(Anonymous)]

That's so tryhard ughhh.

I remembered on the HP fanfic podcast he kept on making overly wordy references to one of the casters having their head up their ass and it was so cringey.

[(Anonymous)]

Meg is angry that people aren't blindly agreeing with how her bizarre relationship with a known abuser isn't being taken at the face value that she wants it to be accepted as. She's angry that her version is questioned and that people aren't swallowing what she's saying and chiming in with what a jolly good guy Andy is with his free medical care and sunshiny life.

I feel deeply sorry for her and I hope that she gets out of the situation she's in. That said, I think there is zero point trying to engage or reason with her. She has access to all the information and she's choosing to discount it and substitute her own version of events.

[(Anonymous)]

Or substitute Andy's version/excuses for the events.