Gloves Off

[anonniemouse]

Please use this post for discussion of those contentious, murky, triggering issues too complex to discuss/moderate on the main post.

Note that this post is NOT a free-for-all and will still be modded for slurs, namecalling, doxxing and trolling. But fair warning that it will not be moderated for discussion of issues some find triggering (trans issues, mental illness, etc.) and that if you choose to participate here, you do so at your own risk.

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[(Anonymous)]

Oh, for pity's sake. Those questions have been exactly what is being dealt with. They are the very source of the TB/KQ/TTF discord and our conversation here, right now. I don't have to ask them because they are currently under discussion here and other blogs. You didn't "drag" them out of anyone.

Why are you letting the comm derail itself in needless criticism of Abbey and TB, instead of pointing out that these are pressing questions which should be addressed ASAP?

Funny, I thought we were actually addressing some of those situations in this very thread. You know, the one where you said:

Discussions of such matters will ALWAYS lead to heated disagreements, which is why there is no POINT to them.

Take for example the matter of whether people like Meg should participate here or not. There are very good points for and against it, both as regards her personally, and as regards other people in the comm. You will never get a consensus on it.

Take for another example this comm's treatment of Meg. Most people on the comm feel that Meg was treated fine, but Abbey and TB disagree, and have said so in their own public spaces. So now what? Are you going to spend endless days or weeks trying to reach an unreachable consensus?

So are these conversations pointless in your view, or not? Do you want us to have them, or no?

In any case, I don't "let" the comm do anything because I have no power to control what anyone else posts.

By the way: I didn't suggest "banning" discussion on sensitive matters. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Fine, I'll rephrase: you claim that stating you'll unfollow someone aounts to policing, that there is no point in discussing sensitive matters people disagree on, and people's feelings getting hurt in heated discussions is evidence of some kind of injustice, and from that I infer that you think certain kinds of discussion are harmful or shouldn't happen, even if they occur in good faith.

I disagree.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't have to ask them because they are currently under discussion here and other blogs.

I'm not seeing any discussion going on anywhere. I'm seeing accusations being made, and people stating their opinions on various things, but no actual discussion of anything.

So are these conversations pointless in your view, or not? Do you want us to have them, or no?

Yes, they are pointless in my view, in the sense that I don't believe they will bring any good in any form, especially since Andy will be around to spread discord and inject his poison wherever he can. However, I neither want nor don't want you to have them, because it's not my place to decide what you all should do. I'll just keep my fingers crossed that the comm doesn't implode under the stress of trying to discuss unsolvable moral dilemmas.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

because it's not my place to decide what you all should do

...Are you trolling?

[(Anonymous)]

See, that's exactly the kind of stuff I'm talking about. From my entire comment, *this* is what you chose to comment on? And to ask such a pointless question, too? If I'm a troll, I'm obviously not going to admit to it, and if I'm not, I'm going to say so, so my answer is going to be the same either way. So why are you bothering to ask? Either you think I'm a troll, in which case you should know how it goes ("Don't feed the trolls" and all that), or you don't think I am, in which case why ask if I am?

More importantly, though: what about the rest of my comment? The MEAT of my comment? If you want to be productive, isn't it what you should be addressing?

[(Anonymous)]

TBH, at this point I just think you're entirely too fond of watching yourself type.

[(Anonymous)]

Way to reassure me that any serious discussion about sensitive topics which might try to happen around here will go well.

[(Anonymous)]

It's more likely to go well if you don't spend a thread telling people what to do, and then comment that you don't want to tell anyone what to do.

I'm just saying, is all.