which leads up "how can he win"? By realizing trust is earned, slowly.
You know, this made me realize that even asking how Andy can *win* is the wrong way to look at it. There's nothing to win here. There's no contest, no competition. One could argue that there's a prize (trust) but as you point out, trust is *earned*, not won. The difference is subtle in most cases, but here it's paramount, because using "win" instead of "earn" is playing by Andy's twisted rules instead humanity's normal rules.
We argue that he's long lost any right to be trusted on anything, and that he has to earn people's trust again by acting consistently truthful in all matters. He tries to change that argument into something along the lines of, "If I can jump this hurdle, and this one, and that one over there, then I've won and you have to trust me no matter what else I do, or else it's unfair!" But trust doesn't work like that, and we must not let him try to lay down any such rules.
For starters, if he wants to earn people's trust again, he should stop pretending to be suffering from a mental illness he clearly doesn't have, and even more so stop pretending that it was that mental illness which made him abusive against his will. As far as I'm concerned, as long as he doesn't admit that he knew all along that he was being abusive, and that he was doing it on purpose and with the full intent of being abusive, there will be no trust to be earned back.
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which leads up "how can he win"? By realizing trust is earned, slowly.
You know, this made me realize that even asking how Andy can *win* is the wrong way to look at it. There's nothing to win here. There's no contest, no competition. One could argue that there's a prize (trust) but as you point out, trust is *earned*, not won. The difference is subtle in most cases, but here it's paramount, because using "win" instead of "earn" is playing by Andy's twisted rules instead humanity's normal rules.
We argue that he's long lost any right to be trusted on anything, and that he has to earn people's trust again by acting consistently truthful in all matters. He tries to change that argument into something along the lines of, "If I can jump this hurdle, and this one, and that one over there, then I've won and you have to trust me no matter what else I do, or else it's unfair!" But trust doesn't work like that, and we must not let him try to lay down any such rules.
For starters, if he wants to earn people's trust again, he should stop pretending to be suffering from a mental illness he clearly doesn't have, and even more so stop pretending that it was that mental illness which made him abusive against his will. As far as I'm concerned, as long as he doesn't admit that he knew all along that he was being abusive, and that he was doing it on purpose and with the full intent of being abusive, there will be no trust to be earned back.