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Andy drops breadcrumbs that HP characters might be real, wangsts about JKR
(Anonymous) 2016-04-25 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)ETA: Yeah, it does kind of give one the creeps to realize that in ten years, they'll be in that basement, and a few months after that, dead. But the relationship between the Creevey boys is something that fascinates me, and that I intend to explore more later. To grow up in a completely normal household, but then to suddenly start manifesting magic, and a few years later, your little brother as well...and you're the only two people in your whole life that even believe one another, much less can do it....
I think it's no surprise that Dennis worshipped Colin so deeply, even after they went to Hogwarts, because there Colin was still the one who Knew All The Magic Things, being ahead by two whole years. I didn't have an opening to explain it in DAYD, but that's why Dennis went electively mute after the incident in the motel. He wasn't just furious about what had happened to their parents, he couldn't forgive himself for Colin being mutilated, and he swore he wouldn't speak again or let his magic get one inch out of control until he'd made the Death Eaters pay and "redeemed himself."
But like I said, that's something for another fic. Me and my damned D.A. kids. Once you get involved with these brats, they don't let you rest until they've pried their way out of JKR's anonymity. Damn them all for having lives and hearts and being people. Sometimes makes me wonder about my own mental state, actually, how strongly I feel about them. It's as if they're all actually real, young heroes and heroines who were overshadowed and whose sacrifices were brushed aside to make room for the boy whose story JKR decided was the one worth telling.
I've felt that way, honestly, since DH, when she casually mentioned the grounds strewn with bodies of students like fallen leaves, more than 50 dead, underage included, but then went back to Harry's wangst and said nothing more. I went back through the chapter twice on that first reading, looking for something I'd missed, and it's become an obsession based on a simple principle: Children's lives are not disposable. You do not make them your red-shirted ensigns casually, especially in a children's book. If you want casual death toll, bring in more adults, but there is nothing "throwaway" about the death, the sacrifice, the murder of a child, a life snuffed out before it's lived. It's certainly worth more than a cheap tear-jerk sentence and moving on (He was tiny in death.) or nothing at all. You're a mother, Jo. How could you not see that?
Killing off fictional characters poorly is like dismissing "faceless Children Starving In Africa"
(Anonymous) 2016-04-25 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)https://web.archive.org/web/20081023104213/http://thanfiction.livejournal.com/117384.html
19 October 2008 @ 08:51 am
Two steps forward, three steps back
"Every name . . . is a lightning stroke to some heart, and breaks like thunder over some home, and falls a long black shadow upon some hearthstone."
Gettysburg Compiler, July 7, 1863
So many interesting, fascinating, well thought-out comments on the last post, and I'm going to get to every one of them. However, it would appear that I expressed myself poorly to begin with, because my point would seem to have been missed entirely.
There seems to be this sudden impression that I have become naive or abruptly squeamish. This frankly disappoints me...pretty much everyone on my flist, even if they haven't actually read the DAYDverse, is familiar with the general feel of what I write. I am not exactly famous for my fluffy-bunnies approach to the HP universe, and if I had such a problem with the concept of war, with the fact that the young are almost always the ringleaders or front lines of revolution, or with the concept of death, then I would be one of those people that Vega mentioned who skips along and insists that Fred and Colin were the only youthful casualties of that night. I certainly wouldn't be impaling fifteen year-old girls on doors.
What I am saying is that the most dangerous thing that can happen to people, either as individuals or as groups, is to lose sight of human life. The first step to every shame and atrocity that has ever been committed by the human race - from the commonplace cruelty of discrimination to the grandiose horrors of genocide - is dehumanization. Man's capacity to do things to his fellow man is a misnomer. When we recognize that someone is a someone, it's almost impossible to actually act with callous disregard towards them. It is when we forget that that our better angels fall.
This is why icons are so powerful, and I don't mean the little square pictures on our posts. Give them faces: Rosa Parks, Matthew Shepherd, Anne Frank, and we cringe at what is done and strive to set it right, because people are basically good at heart (and if you completely disagree on that, we're never going to see eye to eye on anything...true psychopaths are an exception of course, but a true psychopath also proves my point because their defining feature is that they can never see ANYONE but themselves as human). Make them groups, however, empty designations, and the hate is easy, because hate is based on fear and fear is based on difference. If someone else is Gay, Black, Muslim, Jewish, an Illegal Immigrant, then they are a group designation of their difference. This is something that politicians use endlessly to their advantage: Their group faceless threat vs. your precious individuality. The Liberals vs. Joe the Plumber.
Does seeing someone else as a human being prevent us from still deciding that they are wrong, or even that they are our enemy? No, not by any means. However, there is a world of difference between the decision to act against someone and blind hate, and it is the latter that is far more destructive, even if and especially because the former is easier.
There is no arguing that JKR didn't know that her books would be read by adults or subjected to close reading. She invited the latter by making such a big deal of The Deeper Themes and all her previous McGuffins, but furthermore, by the time DH was written, Harry Potter was being taught at Universities. It was a worldwide phenomena of which she was completely aware, and she was well-enough connected to the fandom that she knew perfectly well what she was getting into, and has reveled in that, pandered to it, given interview after interview where she has gone to great lengths to insist that nothing in the Potterverse is coincidental or accidental, that she made everything deliberate, and that she is omnipotent about her world in which every minor background character has a life and a birthday and a chocolate frog card.
Good for her. I respect that. Hell, I understand that, being exactly that way about my DAYDverse. Just ask ceirdwenfc. It's scary.
But it also means that she cannot have her cake and eat it too. If she wants us to believe that, then that means that there is no "well, JKR didn't really mean to..." It all becomes her choice and her responsibility. She chose to set the last four books of her series in war that was to greater and lesser degrees fully open. She chose to form the D.A. and to bring them back for the seventh book. She chose to say that the reign of Snape and the Carrows had been horrific. She chose to put every word in those books, every letter and comma. She chose who lived, who died, what we saw through Harry's eyes and what we did not, and as nearly every one of us are writers here to some degree, we cannot pretend that this was something in any, any way out of her control. She chose to devote page after page to Tom Riddle's ultimately irrelevant backstory and to length verbatim exerpts from Rita Skeeter's book, while the young heroes of Hogwarts were so many fallen leaves. She chose who would be her faceless Children Starving In Africa and who would be her Icons. And in her choices, she undermined her own protagonist, by making him selfish even as she tried to claim he was selfless, by undermining his sacrifice even as she emphasized it.
And so I have chosen. I have chosen to take the same themes, the same situations, the same restrictions of POV, even a POV character who is just as emotionally reserved, as private, and as traumatized by external factors, but to portray him as someone of actual selfless compassion and heroic resolve, and to give the sacrifices of the theoretical "good guys" more value than those who discarded their own humanity under masks and hoods and Dark Marks.
I don't take umbridge that she killed them, or that Harry didn't stop and weep over every death. My problem is that they were throwaway descriptors, dehumanized under a group banner, and that goes against everything she claimed to stand for, and claimed that Harry stood for.
I have chosen to say that every life given for another has value, and in the end, wasn't that supposed to be the message of the books?
19 October 2008 @ 08:51 am
Two steps forward, three steps back
"Every name . . . is a lightning stroke to some heart, and breaks like thunder over some home, and falls a long black shadow upon some hearthstone."
Gettysburg Compiler, July 7, 1863
So many interesting, fascinating, well thought-out comments on the last post, and I'm going to get to every one of them. However, it would appear that I expressed myself poorly to begin with, because my point would seem to have been missed entirely.
There seems to be this sudden impression that I have become naive or abruptly squeamish. This frankly disappoints me...pretty much everyone on my flist, even if they haven't actually read the DAYDverse, is familiar with the general feel of what I write. I am not exactly famous for my fluffy-bunnies approach to the HP universe, and if I had such a problem with the concept of war, with the fact that the young are almost always the ringleaders or front lines of revolution, or with the concept of death, then I would be one of those people that Vega mentioned who skips along and insists that Fred and Colin were the only youthful casualties of that night. I certainly wouldn't be impaling fifteen year-old girls on doors.
What I am saying is that the most dangerous thing that can happen to people, either as individuals or as groups, is to lose sight of human life. The first step to every shame and atrocity that has ever been committed by the human race - from the commonplace cruelty of discrimination to the grandiose horrors of genocide - is dehumanization. Man's capacity to do things to his fellow man is a misnomer. When we recognize that someone is a someone, it's almost impossible to actually act with callous disregard towards them. It is when we forget that that our better angels fall.
This is why icons are so powerful, and I don't mean the little square pictures on our posts. Give them faces: Rosa Parks, Matthew Shepherd, Anne Frank, and we cringe at what is done and strive to set it right, because people are basically good at heart (and if you completely disagree on that, we're never going to see eye to eye on anything...true psychopaths are an exception of course, but a true psychopath also proves my point because their defining feature is that they can never see ANYONE but themselves as human). Make them groups, however, empty designations, and the hate is easy, because hate is based on fear and fear is based on difference. If someone else is Gay, Black, Muslim, Jewish, an Illegal Immigrant, then they are a group designation of their difference. This is something that politicians use endlessly to their advantage: Their group faceless threat vs. your precious individuality. The Liberals vs. Joe the Plumber.
Does seeing someone else as a human being prevent us from still deciding that they are wrong, or even that they are our enemy? No, not by any means. However, there is a world of difference between the decision to act against someone and blind hate, and it is the latter that is far more destructive, even if and especially because the former is easier.
There is no arguing that JKR didn't know that her books would be read by adults or subjected to close reading. She invited the latter by making such a big deal of The Deeper Themes and all her previous McGuffins, but furthermore, by the time DH was written, Harry Potter was being taught at Universities. It was a worldwide phenomena of which she was completely aware, and she was well-enough connected to the fandom that she knew perfectly well what she was getting into, and has reveled in that, pandered to it, given interview after interview where she has gone to great lengths to insist that nothing in the Potterverse is coincidental or accidental, that she made everything deliberate, and that she is omnipotent about her world in which every minor background character has a life and a birthday and a chocolate frog card.
Good for her. I respect that. Hell, I understand that, being exactly that way about my DAYDverse. Just ask ceirdwenfc. It's scary.
But it also means that she cannot have her cake and eat it too. If she wants us to believe that, then that means that there is no "well, JKR didn't really mean to..." It all becomes her choice and her responsibility. She chose to set the last four books of her series in war that was to greater and lesser degrees fully open. She chose to form the D.A. and to bring them back for the seventh book. She chose to say that the reign of Snape and the Carrows had been horrific. She chose to put every word in those books, every letter and comma. She chose who lived, who died, what we saw through Harry's eyes and what we did not, and as nearly every one of us are writers here to some degree, we cannot pretend that this was something in any, any way out of her control. She chose to devote page after page to Tom Riddle's ultimately irrelevant backstory and to length verbatim exerpts from Rita Skeeter's book, while the young heroes of Hogwarts were so many fallen leaves. She chose who would be her faceless Children Starving In Africa and who would be her Icons. And in her choices, she undermined her own protagonist, by making him selfish even as she tried to claim he was selfless, by undermining his sacrifice even as she emphasized it.
And so I have chosen. I have chosen to take the same themes, the same situations, the same restrictions of POV, even a POV character who is just as emotionally reserved, as private, and as traumatized by external factors, but to portray him as someone of actual selfless compassion and heroic resolve, and to give the sacrifices of the theoretical "good guys" more value than those who discarded their own humanity under masks and hoods and Dark Marks.
I don't take umbridge that she killed them, or that Harry didn't stop and weep over every death. My problem is that they were throwaway descriptors, dehumanized under a group banner, and that goes against everything she claimed to stand for, and claimed that Harry stood for.
I have chosen to say that every life given for another has value, and in the end, wasn't that supposed to be the message of the books?
Re: Killing off fictional characters poorly is like dismissing "faceless Children Starving In Africa
(Anonymous) 2016-04-25 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)Comment from below:
https://web.archive.org/web/20081023104213/http://thanfiction.livejournal.com/117384.html
thanfiction: writing[info]thanfiction on October 22nd, 2008 06:14 pm (UTC)
So while I do agree with most of your points, JKR does have the habit of not thinking absoutely every detail through and she does put in pointless information-
And that's where she's choked on her own hubris. If she said "look, these things wound up being read a lot more in-depth than I'd ever planned," or "I don't really know every detail," or even, "hey, guys, I wasn't a professional author at the beginning of this, I've told a great story, I'm sorry if it doesn't stand up to a microscope"....then great. Everyone's only human.
But she's not done that. She's presented herself as if every word is precisely deliberate and was thought out for years in advance, and that It All Matters and Means Something. You can often catch her contradicting herself in interviews, and if you watch them, you can see that sometimes she's making shit up on the fly to try and look like she had it all planned out.
She can only have it one way or another. If she wants us to cut her slack for not considering all the implications of what she said, then she shouldn't say she knew perfectly well. And if she wants to put herself in the line of fire like that...well, the shot's wide open.
https://web.archive.org/web/20081023104213/http://thanfiction.livejournal.com/117384.html
thanfiction: writing[info]thanfiction on October 22nd, 2008 06:14 pm (UTC)
So while I do agree with most of your points, JKR does have the habit of not thinking absoutely every detail through and she does put in pointless information-
And that's where she's choked on her own hubris. If she said "look, these things wound up being read a lot more in-depth than I'd ever planned," or "I don't really know every detail," or even, "hey, guys, I wasn't a professional author at the beginning of this, I've told a great story, I'm sorry if it doesn't stand up to a microscope"....then great. Everyone's only human.
But she's not done that. She's presented herself as if every word is precisely deliberate and was thought out for years in advance, and that It All Matters and Means Something. You can often catch her contradicting herself in interviews, and if you watch them, you can see that sometimes she's making shit up on the fly to try and look like she had it all planned out.
She can only have it one way or another. If she wants us to cut her slack for not considering all the implications of what she said, then she shouldn't say she knew perfectly well. And if she wants to put herself in the line of fire like that...well, the shot's wide open.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090704053848/http://thanfiction.livejournal.com/255030.html?
To my great-aunt Muriel, I leave a pillow, that she may sit comfortably with that stick up her ass
Okay, so we all know that we need a will. Like it or not, being born has a 100% mortality rate, and even for those of us who aren't exactly Bill Gates, a will is an important document that is just as vital for a 18 year-old as an 80 year-old. If you're hit by a bus tomorrow, it will tell your loved ones - all the more importantly if your death WAS unexpected - what you want done with your belongings, how you want to be remembered, and what you want to have done with your remains. It can also indicate important information if you don't quite die regarding your personal beliefs about having extreme measures taken to prolong your life, and under what circumstances you'd rather just have the plug pulled or not.
But how many of you have a fandom will?
I know this is something that I've never heard of, but I was just updating mine, and I realized that this is an area of life that affects a lot of us in this day and age, but which most of you probably haven't considered. So what do I mean by a fandom will?
Well, it's a document that I keep in printed form along with my regular will, although depending on how much your online life is separate from your real life, you might send a copy to a trusted fandom friend. It contains:
-Passwords and usernames to all of my accounts (LJ, fanfiction.net, DeviantArt, etc.)
-A list of the places I have an online presence, and messages that I want posted to those places when I die.
-A list of fandom-friends whom I want to send personal messages to upon my death, and copies of those messages, as well as their phone numbers.
-Who I want to take over my comm responsibilities when I die.
-What I want done with my fic and art online when I die...keeping it up, taking it down, etc.
-What I want done with my real-world physical fan belongings...the originals of my artwork, my fan collectables, and non-fandom physical belongings that I would like to leave to fandom friends. (On that note, does anyone want to dibs my box of art supplies or my Wacom?)
-What I want done with the fandom folders and materials on my computer.
-A notification to post on any WIPs I have outstanding at the time of my death.
-A fully detailed outline of exactly where I was going with "A Peccatis" so that if anyone else wants to finish it, they may, as well as so that I don't leave it completely hanging.
-Details as to what I want in terms of a "fandom funeral"...in other words, if someone wants to make a donation or do anything like that in my memory, where I would like it sent.
-Last but very DEFINITELY not least, how I would like "crossover" handled.
In other words, if you died, how would you feel about fandom people showing up at your funeral IRL? A lot of us have formed friendships that are definitely close enough that I would want to go if something happened to you...but would YOU want that? Moreover, would that cause problems with your family and real-life friends. "Hi, I'm Andrew, I flew out from Virginia because Jane Doe and I were friends over the internet." Great. Now they think Jane had an online lover, or get to discover at a very delicate time that OhHaiThere, she wrote Harry Potter erotica as a hobby. Not good to come all the way just to start a family scandal and/or get banned. Nor good to turn out to be more of a BNF than one thought upon one's death, and to have your family outnumbered by people introducing themselves to one another by username. So I have included instructions on who would be welcome to come if they wanted to, as well as requests to them for how to handle "who the eff are you?" with my family.
Yes, this is kind of morbid, but it's also just plain wrong to ignore that the emotions of the people we make friends with here are real, so it's not fair to them to just vanish someday. Nor is it fair to your RL loved ones to leave them either aware of your fandom activities with no idea what they should do about it, or suddenly discovering that you have this entire online presence that they knew nothing about...and no idea what they should do about it.
Heck, some of you might even want to write a "Coming Out" letter as part of that package...something along the lines of "To whoever reads this, yes, I know you just discovered that box of printed fanfic under my bed and the seventeen files of art and fic and fic-in-progress on my computer. Let me explain, and no, just because a lot of it was HG/SS you don't have to suddenly worry that I was molested by my highschool chemistry teacher...."
Obviously, the exact contents will be personal to you, and who you leave it with or whether you put it with your regular will shall be as well, but I would really urge you to have one. And if you don't have a regular will, there's really very little excuse - ESPECIALLY if you have children! I will spare you all the rant of the horrific irresponsibility of THAT for the time being. Suffice to say that parenting involves sucking it up and doing all kinds of unpleasant things, and making sure that your children are still taken care of if they wake up orphans tomorrow after a freak ceiling fan accident is DEFINITELY one of them.
It doesn't have to be a formal thing drawn up by a lawyer...assuming there aren't going to be lawsuits over your extensive estate and you're not asking your children to be sold into slavery in Patagonia and the proceeds used to erect a monument to you made of cheese and fashioned in the image of a naked Gilderoy Lockhart, it merely needs to tell your loved ones what you can't. Grab a pen, a crayon, a pencil, a sharpie, a napkin, a post-it, or the back of a grocery bag and write it down, for Christsakes (not a computer document, those are too easily lost), sign it, date it, then tell someone where it is. Just because YOU know it's in the third drawer of your desk in the manilla envelope is irrelevant if you're not around to tell someone that.
This ends Than's harrassment of you for today on matters you really didn't want to think about.
To my great-aunt Muriel, I leave a pillow, that she may sit comfortably with that stick up her ass
Okay, so we all know that we need a will. Like it or not, being born has a 100% mortality rate, and even for those of us who aren't exactly Bill Gates, a will is an important document that is just as vital for a 18 year-old as an 80 year-old. If you're hit by a bus tomorrow, it will tell your loved ones - all the more importantly if your death WAS unexpected - what you want done with your belongings, how you want to be remembered, and what you want to have done with your remains. It can also indicate important information if you don't quite die regarding your personal beliefs about having extreme measures taken to prolong your life, and under what circumstances you'd rather just have the plug pulled or not.
But how many of you have a fandom will?
I know this is something that I've never heard of, but I was just updating mine, and I realized that this is an area of life that affects a lot of us in this day and age, but which most of you probably haven't considered. So what do I mean by a fandom will?
Well, it's a document that I keep in printed form along with my regular will, although depending on how much your online life is separate from your real life, you might send a copy to a trusted fandom friend. It contains:
-Passwords and usernames to all of my accounts (LJ, fanfiction.net, DeviantArt, etc.)
-A list of the places I have an online presence, and messages that I want posted to those places when I die.
-A list of fandom-friends whom I want to send personal messages to upon my death, and copies of those messages, as well as their phone numbers.
-Who I want to take over my comm responsibilities when I die.
-What I want done with my fic and art online when I die...keeping it up, taking it down, etc.
-What I want done with my real-world physical fan belongings...the originals of my artwork, my fan collectables, and non-fandom physical belongings that I would like to leave to fandom friends. (On that note, does anyone want to dibs my box of art supplies or my Wacom?)
-What I want done with the fandom folders and materials on my computer.
-A notification to post on any WIPs I have outstanding at the time of my death.
-A fully detailed outline of exactly where I was going with "A Peccatis" so that if anyone else wants to finish it, they may, as well as so that I don't leave it completely hanging.
-Details as to what I want in terms of a "fandom funeral"...in other words, if someone wants to make a donation or do anything like that in my memory, where I would like it sent.
-Last but very DEFINITELY not least, how I would like "crossover" handled.
In other words, if you died, how would you feel about fandom people showing up at your funeral IRL? A lot of us have formed friendships that are definitely close enough that I would want to go if something happened to you...but would YOU want that? Moreover, would that cause problems with your family and real-life friends. "Hi, I'm Andrew, I flew out from Virginia because Jane Doe and I were friends over the internet." Great. Now they think Jane had an online lover, or get to discover at a very delicate time that OhHaiThere, she wrote Harry Potter erotica as a hobby. Not good to come all the way just to start a family scandal and/or get banned. Nor good to turn out to be more of a BNF than one thought upon one's death, and to have your family outnumbered by people introducing themselves to one another by username. So I have included instructions on who would be welcome to come if they wanted to, as well as requests to them for how to handle "who the eff are you?" with my family.
Yes, this is kind of morbid, but it's also just plain wrong to ignore that the emotions of the people we make friends with here are real, so it's not fair to them to just vanish someday. Nor is it fair to your RL loved ones to leave them either aware of your fandom activities with no idea what they should do about it, or suddenly discovering that you have this entire online presence that they knew nothing about...and no idea what they should do about it.
Heck, some of you might even want to write a "Coming Out" letter as part of that package...something along the lines of "To whoever reads this, yes, I know you just discovered that box of printed fanfic under my bed and the seventeen files of art and fic and fic-in-progress on my computer. Let me explain, and no, just because a lot of it was HG/SS you don't have to suddenly worry that I was molested by my highschool chemistry teacher...."
Obviously, the exact contents will be personal to you, and who you leave it with or whether you put it with your regular will shall be as well, but I would really urge you to have one. And if you don't have a regular will, there's really very little excuse - ESPECIALLY if you have children! I will spare you all the rant of the horrific irresponsibility of THAT for the time being. Suffice to say that parenting involves sucking it up and doing all kinds of unpleasant things, and making sure that your children are still taken care of if they wake up orphans tomorrow after a freak ceiling fan accident is DEFINITELY one of them.
It doesn't have to be a formal thing drawn up by a lawyer...assuming there aren't going to be lawsuits over your extensive estate and you're not asking your children to be sold into slavery in Patagonia and the proceeds used to erect a monument to you made of cheese and fashioned in the image of a naked Gilderoy Lockhart, it merely needs to tell your loved ones what you can't. Grab a pen, a crayon, a pencil, a sharpie, a napkin, a post-it, or the back of a grocery bag and write it down, for Christsakes (not a computer document, those are too easily lost), sign it, date it, then tell someone where it is. Just because YOU know it's in the third drawer of your desk in the manilla envelope is irrelevant if you're not around to tell someone that.
This ends Than's harrassment of you for today on matters you really didn't want to think about.
Too much to post, so I'll just leave the links:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080909093159/http://thanfiction.livejournal.com/93561.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20080925164432/http://thanfiction.livejournal.com/96453.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20080909093159/http://thanfiction.livejournal.com/93561.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20080925164432/http://thanfiction.livejournal.com/96453.html
Re: A sexually frustated Andy will write you fic if you let him rub your neck in a "non-sexual way"
(Anonymous) 2016-04-25 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)OT, but who is Mark?
Re: Andy drops breadcrumbs that HP characters might be real, wangsts about JKR
(Anonymous) 2016-04-25 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)Do you have a URL for this?
Re: Andy drops breadcrumbs that HP characters might be real, wangsts about JKR
(Anonymous) 2016-04-26 12:23 am (UTC)(link)I do and will post it shortly.
https://web.archive.org/web/20081022135342/http://thanfiction.livejournal.com/117211.html
Re: A sexually frustated Andy will write you fic if you let him rub your neck in a "non-sexual way"
(Anonymous) 2016-04-26 12:52 am (UTC)(link)Andy's roommate, I gather. He jokingly mentions having a "serious relationship" with him elsewhere.
Little Sam says Andy smoked weed with her while she was a minor
(Anonymous) 2016-04-26 02:36 am (UTC)(link)https://web.archive.org/web/20111102170630/http://turimel.livejournal.com/107861.html
Little Sam wrote to me several years ago. Long, heartfelt, angry, sad, vindictive and vindicated letters. She started with apologies, which she immediately qualified by saying, "I know you have no reason to care or to accept my apology, but I'm doing this because it's the right thing to do." (I'm paraphrasing here, but I can dig the letters out if anyone wants to see the exact words)
Little Sam explained herself, at length. She told me how Amy/"Jordan" had created this cultlike, fantasy situation, in which hobbits were channeled and the world was a hella lot more fun than the previous tedium of high school. She told me how they all went in the bedroom and smoked pot together, to heighten the fun and believability. She specifically pointed this out because I was concerned they were up to sexual hijinks with her, and she was a minor. She wanted to reassure me that, although Amy and Abbey pulled a lot of reprehensible bullshit, child molestation wasn't one of them.
Little Sam wrote to me several years ago. Long, heartfelt, angry, sad, vindictive and vindicated letters. She started with apologies, which she immediately qualified by saying, "I know you have no reason to care or to accept my apology, but I'm doing this because it's the right thing to do." (I'm paraphrasing here, but I can dig the letters out if anyone wants to see the exact words)
Little Sam explained herself, at length. She told me how Amy/"Jordan" had created this cultlike, fantasy situation, in which hobbits were channeled and the world was a hella lot more fun than the previous tedium of high school. She told me how they all went in the bedroom and smoked pot together, to heighten the fun and believability. She specifically pointed this out because I was concerned they were up to sexual hijinks with her, and she was a minor. She wanted to reassure me that, although Amy and Abbey pulled a lot of reprehensible bullshit, child molestation wasn't one of them.
Re: A sexually frustated Andy will write you fic if you let him rub your neck in a "non-sexual way"
(Anonymous) 2016-04-26 02:42 am (UTC)(link)"helping Mark medically speaking" makes it sound like he's helping caretake for someone with a disability or illness, which I wouldn't have put past Andy.
Link to archived version, complete with very obvious Andy sockpuppet comments:
https://web.archive.org/web/20111121023545/http://amy-player.livejournal.com/668.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20111121023545/http://amy-player.livejournal.com/668.html
It's About Power solicited celebrity donations, possibly got a retweet from Neil Gaiman
(Anonymous) 2016-04-26 02:57 am (UTC)(link)https://web.archive.org/web/20111015235505/http://turimel.livejournal.com/107154.html
Warnings for transphobia.
I want to point out that IIRC, the person named has done an AMA and has stated that Andy was directing their IAP activities:
https://web.archive.org/web/20111015235505/http://turimel.livejournal.com/107154.html
Amy/Andy's latest ask: Guess what, it involves celebrities.
Getting some new info about the latest ask.
I'm sharing this set of messages from a prominent person who keeps in touch with me regarding Amy. I'm not sure if this person wants their name used, so I'll keep it anonymous for now.
-HOLY SHIT someone named lonelyflutterby on twitter has sent out THOUSANDS of tweets to celebs looking for money for It'sAboutPower. Neil Gaiman RT'd! I nearly fainted. Sent him the link, and he took it down. But in minutes, they may have gotten enough people to raise the dough.
-Fuckses, precious. Great. JUST what Amy needs: another duped celebrity.
-Yeah, I saw they are deliberately targeting celebrities with a twitter storm of tens of thousands of tweets/ Doesn't seem to be working very well. They've probably already raised the cash they need anyway, and the said on their Its About Power page that they were mistaken about the $2000. They need a lot less. Shocker.
-And BTW, lonelyflutterby, who was doing the shilling, has protected their tweets now. When I last looked, they'd posted nearly 19,000 requests for money. I don't know about you, but that gives me hope that there are a lot of sensible people out there. Because Amy et al have not raised much money considering the effort they've put in. And all this explains the sudden uptick in searches for Andy/Amy itsaboutpower to my site. I've gotten searches [on their blog] from major newspapers. Amy/Andrew has sent out hundreds of press releases, and but for a few small town yahoos, every major outlet has rejected their story.
-FYI a bunch of Amy's cronies were following me on Twitter. They've now started blocking their tweets.
Aaaaand it comes full circle. Once again, Amy shows her true colors: she does what she does because she loves to hobnob with celebrities. That's why she set up BoE and utterly scammed Sean Astin--because she wanted to rub shoulders with "hobbits." I remain convinced that she originally proposed her Big Hike For Charity in New Zealand because she wanted to invade the filming locations for the upcoming Hobbit movies. And now that her Big Hike For Brittany (Despite The Fact That Brittany's Family Protested), has not earned Amy fame and fortune for her selfless fundraising efforts, she's turning to Twue Wuv instead. And putting the touch on celebrities as she SWORE she would never do again.
Warnings for transphobia.
I want to point out that IIRC, the person named has done an AMA and has stated that Andy was directing their IAP activities:
https://web.archive.org/web/20111015235505/http://turimel.livejournal.com/107154.html
Amy/Andy's latest ask: Guess what, it involves celebrities.
Getting some new info about the latest ask.
I'm sharing this set of messages from a prominent person who keeps in touch with me regarding Amy. I'm not sure if this person wants their name used, so I'll keep it anonymous for now.
-HOLY SHIT someone named lonelyflutterby on twitter has sent out THOUSANDS of tweets to celebs looking for money for It'sAboutPower. Neil Gaiman RT'd! I nearly fainted. Sent him the link, and he took it down. But in minutes, they may have gotten enough people to raise the dough.
-Fuckses, precious. Great. JUST what Amy needs: another duped celebrity.
-Yeah, I saw they are deliberately targeting celebrities with a twitter storm of tens of thousands of tweets/ Doesn't seem to be working very well. They've probably already raised the cash they need anyway, and the said on their Its About Power page that they were mistaken about the $2000. They need a lot less. Shocker.
-And BTW, lonelyflutterby, who was doing the shilling, has protected their tweets now. When I last looked, they'd posted nearly 19,000 requests for money. I don't know about you, but that gives me hope that there are a lot of sensible people out there. Because Amy et al have not raised much money considering the effort they've put in. And all this explains the sudden uptick in searches for Andy/Amy itsaboutpower to my site. I've gotten searches [on their blog] from major newspapers. Amy/Andrew has sent out hundreds of press releases, and but for a few small town yahoos, every major outlet has rejected their story.
-FYI a bunch of Amy's cronies were following me on Twitter. They've now started blocking their tweets.
Aaaaand it comes full circle. Once again, Amy shows her true colors: she does what she does because she loves to hobnob with celebrities. That's why she set up BoE and utterly scammed Sean Astin--because she wanted to rub shoulders with "hobbits." I remain convinced that she originally proposed her Big Hike For Charity in New Zealand because she wanted to invade the filming locations for the upcoming Hobbit movies. And now that her Big Hike For Brittany (Despite The Fact That Brittany's Family Protested), has not earned Amy fame and fortune for her selfless fundraising efforts, she's turning to Twue Wuv instead. And putting the touch on celebrities as she SWORE she would never do again.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110920231703/http://turimel.livejournal.com/106131.html?thread=907667#t907667
Re: Andy lies about his grandfather giving a speech in court & probably about his legal conviction
(Anonymous) 2016-04-26 11:12 am (UTC)(link)I didn't even think of this until a friend pointed it out, but imagine the court stenographer sitting there transcribing this. If nothing else made you call bullshit, the thought of the court wasting time listening to this should.
Apparently Andy emailed actor Karl Urban's staff and called him a "duck fucker"
(Anonymous) 2016-04-26 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)https://web.archive.org/web/20070318094121/http://turimel.livejournal.com/41326.html
Subject: A Copy of what we sent Amy's parents
From: MrFrodo
To: Turimel
Sent: 10-21-2003 at 08:19 PM
Message: Dear Mr. and Mrs. Player -
I am writing to inform you of an unfortunate development with our staff. Mr. ******** (a.k.a. Shopping Cart Bob), our former Head of Security, has been fired tonight for attempted blackmail. He is an extremely untrustworthy individual who was trying to make a second chance through BitofEarth. He is a paranoid schitzophrenic with a history of lying and manipulation, as well as brain damage and drug and criminal records.
He has threatened to contact you with allegations, the precise nature of which we do not know, but which concern the disappearance of your daughter, Amy. He may imply anything ranging from us harboring her to murdering her, and we know that this is a very emotional and difficult time for you and do not wish you to suffer more at the hands of this man's vendetta.
We also have a very difficult situation of our own. Our Director of Celebrity Relations, Jordan Wood, is the young man who was involved in Amy's identity theft, as well as the main target of 's attack. wishes to assume Jordan's position in control of money and events). There have been threats of telling you that Jordan and your missing daughter are the same person, and this is not only untrue, but directly intended to place Jordan in danger.
Jordan is fleeing an extremely dangerous and abusive home situation, and to have him exposed to the police prematurely (he is preparing testimony) would put him at extreme risk from those associated with his family (they were involved in criminal activities in which he refused to participate). We would ask that you please do not allow this man to use your grief to endanger an innocent youth.
We know that with your daughter's history of falsehood, it may be difficult to trust people, and we are not asking you to do so blindly. does have the sympathy of Susan Astle, one of our staff members who is not yet aware of his less savory side - he can be quite charming and professional when he wants to be, and she may support his claims for the time being. However, we are willing to provide, if necessary, notarized statements from myself, Cherie Deuvall, Professor ********* and Dr. ***Turimel***(M.D.PhD) supporting Jordan's identity.
We have had no further contact with your daughter since October 2nd, and we are sorry that contact from us comes in this form, but we do not want this dishonest man to exploit your grief to hurt yet another. As always, we do promise to contact you immediately should we hear from Amy at any time.
Sympathies
Abigail Stone and the Staff of BitofEarth
From: MrFrodo
To: Turimel
Sent: 10-21-2003 at 08:19 PM
Message: Dear Mr. and Mrs. Player -
I am writing to inform you of an unfortunate development with our staff. Mr. ******** (a.k.a. Shopping Cart Bob), our former Head of Security, has been fired tonight for attempted blackmail. He is an extremely untrustworthy individual who was trying to make a second chance through BitofEarth. He is a paranoid schitzophrenic with a history of lying and manipulation, as well as brain damage and drug and criminal records.
He has threatened to contact you with allegations, the precise nature of which we do not know, but which concern the disappearance of your daughter, Amy. He may imply anything ranging from us harboring her to murdering her, and we know that this is a very emotional and difficult time for you and do not wish you to suffer more at the hands of this man's vendetta.
We also have a very difficult situation of our own. Our Director of Celebrity Relations, Jordan Wood, is the young man who was involved in Amy's identity theft, as well as the main target of 's attack. wishes to assume Jordan's position in control of money and events). There have been threats of telling you that Jordan and your missing daughter are the same person, and this is not only untrue, but directly intended to place Jordan in danger.
Jordan is fleeing an extremely dangerous and abusive home situation, and to have him exposed to the police prematurely (he is preparing testimony) would put him at extreme risk from those associated with his family (they were involved in criminal activities in which he refused to participate). We would ask that you please do not allow this man to use your grief to endanger an innocent youth.
We know that with your daughter's history of falsehood, it may be difficult to trust people, and we are not asking you to do so blindly. does have the sympathy of Susan Astle, one of our staff members who is not yet aware of his less savory side - he can be quite charming and professional when he wants to be, and she may support his claims for the time being. However, we are willing to provide, if necessary, notarized statements from myself, Cherie Deuvall, Professor ********* and Dr. ***Turimel***(M.D.PhD) supporting Jordan's identity.
We have had no further contact with your daughter since October 2nd, and we are sorry that contact from us comes in this form, but we do not want this dishonest man to exploit your grief to hurt yet another. As always, we do promise to contact you immediately should we hear from Amy at any time.
Sympathies
Abigail Stone and the Staff of BitofEarth
Re: Andy is a weaver of word magic who can sell you realties
(Anonymous) 2016-04-26 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)"I am a weaver of word-magic to a degree that verges on dangerous in my understanding of exactly what I’m doing as a storyteller and rhetorician. I can get inside people’s heads. I can sell you realities."
I should not have read this at work. I had to step outside for a minute and get all the laughing out. You're a bullshit artist Andy, not a "weaver of word-magic." Jesus Christ.
I should not have read this at work. I had to step outside for a minute and get all the laughing out. You're a bullshit artist Andy, not a "weaver of word-magic." Jesus Christ.
Re: Andy claims to have a "very high genius level" & an IQ of over 150
(Anonymous) 2016-04-26 07:23 pm (UTC)(link)Moi aussi. It's like watching some new, previously unknown animal that engages in bizarre behavior. So true about checking to see if the sky is blue. You know how you can tell if Andy is lying? His mouth is moving. :-)
Re: Apparently Andy emailed actor Karl Urban's staff and called him a "duck fucker"
(Anonymous) 2016-04-26 07:26 pm (UTC)(link)Anon, archiving only works if the text to archive is pasted!
From turmiel:
OK, so Jordan invited Karl Urban, along with all the other celebs, to either come to Tentmoot or send in a video. Let's have a look at some of that correspondence from the Tentmoot mailbox, shall we?
__________________________
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:52:17 -0800 (PST)
From: "TentMoot 2003"
Subject: Possible Appearance - Karl Urban
To: *******@*******
Troy -
We have been working with Jenny Rawlings for the past
three weeks regarding a potential appearance by Karl
Urban, in person or by video at his discretion, at
TentMoot 2003 this December. Unfortunately for us,
Mr. Urban has recently transferred to your agency, and
we have to start from scratch with fairly short
notice. I am hoping that it would still be possible
to facilitate this appearance, and we would gladly do
anything possible to help. Below, you will find the
full proposal, along with information about our
organization, the event, and the charities we support.
Thank you for your time and attention.
Jordan Wood
Director of Celebrity and Media Relations
BitofEarth.net
------------------------------
The response message is not in the mailbox, must have been deleted. But this was sent by Jordan the same day:
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:16:25 -0800 (PST)
From: "TentMoot 2003"
Subject: RE: Possible Appearance - Karl Urban
To: *******@******
> Unfortunately, Karl will not be available to
> participate...he is going to be in Europe working.
Given that Mr. Urban's busy schedule does not allow
for a personal appearance, would there be any
possibility of a BitofEarth film crew meeting him at
any time at his convenience between now and the
convention date of December 11th to film a 15-minute
video appearance? Mr. Urban would also still have the
option, which we have extended to some of our
other guests making similar video appearances, of
raising money for a charity of his choice by sending
an autographed picture with the video appearance to be
auctioned at the convention, with all proceeds going
exclusively to his specified charity.
Regarding the details of actually filming the video
appearance:
*We would need a total of about 20-25 minutes (5
set-up, 15-20 taped interview) of Mr. Urban's time.
*The interview would consist of a brief greeting to
the convention attendees, then a few answers to
questions prepared from our website.
*Mr. Urban would have an opportunity to review all
questions ahead of time.
*All questions will come from our members on our
message boards, and we will be sending you and/or Mr.
Urban that list, if you wish, within 24 hours.
*We are available for filming 24 hours a day, 7 days a
week, and need only 3 hour's notice to have a camera
crew of 2 anywhere in the greater Los
Angeles area or the United Kingdom.
Thank you again for your time and attention.
Regards
Jordan Wood
Director of Celebrity and Media Relations
BitofEarth.net
so far, things aren't so bad. Karl's agent obviously said no, Karl won't be available, and Jordan asked if a video would be an alternate possibility. Not unreasonable so far.
Again, there's no response letter in the mailbox, must have been deleted.
__________________________-
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:36:26 -0800 (PST)
From: "TentMoot 2003"
Subject: Karl Urban Video Appearance
To: ******@*****
Congratulations on the success of the Wellington
premiere! I know that things must be fairly insane
for you right now, and I hate to remind you of yet
another thing on your plate, but I know how easily
smaller things can get lost in the melee.
This isn't a "we need it yesterday" email, but I
wanted to check in regarding the filming of Karl's
video appearance for TentMoot 2003. As previously
stated, we have crews available on short notice in LA,
New York, the UK, and NZ. If it would be more
convenient, Karl may also tape his own appearance, as
his co-star Sean Astin is doing.
Our mailing address is below, if you wish to do it
that way, and I am also including the list of
questions and the details of the appearance so that
you already have it on hand whenever a moment opens
up.
LENGTH: Approximately 15 minutes
FORMAT: CDR, VHS, or 8mm
INTRO: Greeting of choice to BitofEarth.net's TentMoot
2003.
Q&A: Karl may answer at his discretion any or all of
the questions submitted by our message boards.
QUESTIONS:
Broc -
In scenes where you were dirty, was the 'dirt'
make-up, or did they smear you with real mud?
JIF -
How do you relate with the strong leadership qualities
in Eomer?
Raz -
How did you deal with the difficulties of "hobbit
scale" with Dom as Merry in RotK?
Tigerlily -
How has the increased fame since Two Towers changed
you?
Abigail -
The Rohirrim are a race of equestrians. How much
horsemanship experience did you have prior to filming,
and what, if any, extra training did you have to do?
Lare -
How well did you bond with Miranda as your sister? Do
you feel a sisterly affection towards her, or are you
more like just friends?
CLOSING: Thank-you to audience
MAILING ADDRESS:
BitofEarth.net
PO BOX 3625
San Dimas, CA, 91773
United States of America
Thank you very much for all your help!
Regards
Jordan
Hmmmm...a bit sketchy now, not sure Jordan actually talked to anyone about submitting this request, it's worded exactly like the one sent to Elijah, kinda generic, not very promising. Again, no answering message left in the mailbox, so I don't know how Karl's agent responded.
I do know how Jordan responded, though:
______________________
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:46:27 -0800 (PST)
From: "TentMoot 2003"
Subject: Karl #%^$^& Urban
To: me, SC Bob, John and Talisha, Shireling Sue
LATE ENTRY: 12:45 pm jAN. 20, 2004: I have deleted the vicious, nasty comments that Jordan made about Karl Urban. Why: I just got a call from Karl Urban's PR agency. They got my letter that I forwarded containing Jordan's comments, and are taking this matter up themselves. This is a good thing. They are not letting Jordan speak that way about Karl. As such, since the baton has been passed on, I felt it was appropriate to remove the ugliness. Rest assured, it was nasty. really nasty. There are samples of it in the comments below.
Note that the very first letter mentions someone named Troy, but all the emails were sent to the same addy. I don't know what the actual scoop is, but see how kindly Jordan slandered Mr. Urban, and told us all some cockamamie story about Karl switching agents and that's why we lost the video--when in all likelihood Jordan was simply told "NO" back in November. But Jordan kept pushing it anyway and then blamed Karl.
It just keeps on going...
From turmiel:
OK, so Jordan invited Karl Urban, along with all the other celebs, to either come to Tentmoot or send in a video. Let's have a look at some of that correspondence from the Tentmoot mailbox, shall we?
__________________________
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 11:52:17 -0800 (PST)
From: "TentMoot 2003"
Subject: Possible Appearance - Karl Urban
To: *******@*******
Troy -
We have been working with Jenny Rawlings for the past
three weeks regarding a potential appearance by Karl
Urban, in person or by video at his discretion, at
TentMoot 2003 this December. Unfortunately for us,
Mr. Urban has recently transferred to your agency, and
we have to start from scratch with fairly short
notice. I am hoping that it would still be possible
to facilitate this appearance, and we would gladly do
anything possible to help. Below, you will find the
full proposal, along with information about our
organization, the event, and the charities we support.
Thank you for your time and attention.
Jordan Wood
Director of Celebrity and Media Relations
BitofEarth.net
------------------------------
The response message is not in the mailbox, must have been deleted. But this was sent by Jordan the same day:
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 12:16:25 -0800 (PST)
From: "TentMoot 2003"
Subject: RE: Possible Appearance - Karl Urban
To: *******@******
> Unfortunately, Karl will not be available to
> participate...he is going to be in Europe working.
Given that Mr. Urban's busy schedule does not allow
for a personal appearance, would there be any
possibility of a BitofEarth film crew meeting him at
any time at his convenience between now and the
convention date of December 11th to film a 15-minute
video appearance? Mr. Urban would also still have the
option, which we have extended to some of our
other guests making similar video appearances, of
raising money for a charity of his choice by sending
an autographed picture with the video appearance to be
auctioned at the convention, with all proceeds going
exclusively to his specified charity.
Regarding the details of actually filming the video
appearance:
*We would need a total of about 20-25 minutes (5
set-up, 15-20 taped interview) of Mr. Urban's time.
*The interview would consist of a brief greeting to
the convention attendees, then a few answers to
questions prepared from our website.
*Mr. Urban would have an opportunity to review all
questions ahead of time.
*All questions will come from our members on our
message boards, and we will be sending you and/or Mr.
Urban that list, if you wish, within 24 hours.
*We are available for filming 24 hours a day, 7 days a
week, and need only 3 hour's notice to have a camera
crew of 2 anywhere in the greater Los
Angeles area or the United Kingdom.
Thank you again for your time and attention.
Regards
Jordan Wood
Director of Celebrity and Media Relations
BitofEarth.net
so far, things aren't so bad. Karl's agent obviously said no, Karl won't be available, and Jordan asked if a video would be an alternate possibility. Not unreasonable so far.
Again, there's no response letter in the mailbox, must have been deleted.
__________________________-
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:36:26 -0800 (PST)
From: "TentMoot 2003"
Subject: Karl Urban Video Appearance
To: ******@*****
Congratulations on the success of the Wellington
premiere! I know that things must be fairly insane
for you right now, and I hate to remind you of yet
another thing on your plate, but I know how easily
smaller things can get lost in the melee.
This isn't a "we need it yesterday" email, but I
wanted to check in regarding the filming of Karl's
video appearance for TentMoot 2003. As previously
stated, we have crews available on short notice in LA,
New York, the UK, and NZ. If it would be more
convenient, Karl may also tape his own appearance, as
his co-star Sean Astin is doing.
Our mailing address is below, if you wish to do it
that way, and I am also including the list of
questions and the details of the appearance so that
you already have it on hand whenever a moment opens
up.
LENGTH: Approximately 15 minutes
FORMAT: CDR, VHS, or 8mm
INTRO: Greeting of choice to BitofEarth.net's TentMoot
2003.
Q&A: Karl may answer at his discretion any or all of
the questions submitted by our message boards.
QUESTIONS:
Broc -
In scenes where you were dirty, was the 'dirt'
make-up, or did they smear you with real mud?
JIF -
How do you relate with the strong leadership qualities
in Eomer?
Raz -
How did you deal with the difficulties of "hobbit
scale" with Dom as Merry in RotK?
Tigerlily -
How has the increased fame since Two Towers changed
you?
Abigail -
The Rohirrim are a race of equestrians. How much
horsemanship experience did you have prior to filming,
and what, if any, extra training did you have to do?
Lare -
How well did you bond with Miranda as your sister? Do
you feel a sisterly affection towards her, or are you
more like just friends?
CLOSING: Thank-you to audience
MAILING ADDRESS:
BitofEarth.net
PO BOX 3625
San Dimas, CA, 91773
United States of America
Thank you very much for all your help!
Regards
Jordan
Hmmmm...a bit sketchy now, not sure Jordan actually talked to anyone about submitting this request, it's worded exactly like the one sent to Elijah, kinda generic, not very promising. Again, no answering message left in the mailbox, so I don't know how Karl's agent responded.
I do know how Jordan responded, though:
______________________
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:46:27 -0800 (PST)
From: "TentMoot 2003"
Subject: Karl #%^$^& Urban
To: me, SC Bob, John and Talisha, Shireling Sue
LATE ENTRY: 12:45 pm jAN. 20, 2004: I have deleted the vicious, nasty comments that Jordan made about Karl Urban. Why: I just got a call from Karl Urban's PR agency. They got my letter that I forwarded containing Jordan's comments, and are taking this matter up themselves. This is a good thing. They are not letting Jordan speak that way about Karl. As such, since the baton has been passed on, I felt it was appropriate to remove the ugliness. Rest assured, it was nasty. really nasty. There are samples of it in the comments below.
Note that the very first letter mentions someone named Troy, but all the emails were sent to the same addy. I don't know what the actual scoop is, but see how kindly Jordan slandered Mr. Urban, and told us all some cockamamie story about Karl switching agents and that's why we lost the video--when in all likelihood Jordan was simply told "NO" back in November. But Jordan kept pushing it anyway and then blamed Karl.
It just keeps on going...
Andy gets caught sending anon asks about AA blogs & trying to hide it with a proxy
(Anonymous) 2016-04-27 02:06 am (UTC)(link)http://thetigerisariver.tumblr.com/post/101675180409/hey-remember-that-very-dramatic-ask-i-got-on-25th
hey, remember that very dramatic ask I got on 25th of october, which refferred to delwynmarch as a “monster”? (Poster's note: Linked below)
finally got around to checking out my statcounter and found this morsell
image
[picture description: a screenshot from statcounter of a single IP (Cox Communication - Williamsburg, Virginia, US) 70.161.160.253 I titled “Andythanfiction or inner circle” that visited my blog 4 times
thrice in 25th october and once 31st October
the visits were directly to my blog, no reffered link, or to my askbox (no refferal either)
once it was reffered from an anonymisation service
[link referred from]
[link referred to]
the last link shows that the IP visited this post on my blog; this will become relevant later]
hm.
apparently this anonymous asker lives in Williamsburg, Virginia and *also* creeps on other ppl’s blogs under anonymisers?
I’ll let you reach your own conclusions -_- from my end let me just say “ew”
agentsex I feel like you should know that you have an anonymous, uh, creeper (I am sure there is some *perfectly reasonable* explanation as to why your friend might be checking your blog anonymously, uhm)
(unfortunately I am a terrible floof and thus didn’t check the anon ask I got in september, neither did I think to log the IP andy used to send me an actual non-anon ask, bleh)
oh and as for the moth post -
image
[picture desc: a screencap of andy’s blog with the moth post, the date on the post says 3 days ago, my clock shows it’s november the 3rd
some random details that could help identify my computer have been blacked out]
he does reblog it the same day, but from a different source, so, you know, not super hard evidence
***
what he also does reblog the same day is this post
image
[picture description: screencap of the notes on the mentioned post, which shows that andy reblogged this post from into-the-weeds]
this gets reblogged directly from the person I reblogged it from, whom he doesn’t follow; I think this strongly implies he was creeping around my blog but didn’t want to show it
That is all folks! I hope you enjoyed my amateur sleuthing* hour!!
*how the fuck do you spell this garbage word /angry Clint noises/
~
The anon ask in question:
http://thetigerisariver.tumblr.com/post/100896418524/delwynmarch-in-the-last-3-4-days-about-meds
Delwynmarch in the last 3-4 days. About meds. About gender. About drinking. About being friends with someone "bad". About NPD. About so many things that I start sobbing and feeling sick just opening their page before I can say a word but people are listening and agreeing and there's this new one, the "psychblogger" who is absolute poison. Other than Agentsex and the andystans you're the only one I know who has ever stood up to that monster and someone has to please.
~
http://thetigerisariver.tumblr.com/post/101675641184/for-statcounter-users
do we collate IPs Andy uses anywhere? If so I have one to offer - 70.161.160.253
if not, well, some of the Nonnies who has energy to spare and a love of catalogisation (I know there is at least a few of you around) might get into this
also I propose we collate which anonymisation services he uses - considering how many there are, they might as well be a signature (also I think he is way too lazy to change up too often tbh)
I have a confirmed use of Hide My Ass from 25th october
This IP/service were used either by Andy himself or someone tasked with a role in this particular PR war that Andy seems to be waging. I wrote a whole post about it.
~
http://agentsex.tumblr.com/post/101687134488/thetigerisariver-hey-remember-that-very
Agentsex responds to the first post above; says Andy admitted to sending anon asks and using proxies.
I happened to be on the phone with Andy when I got the notification for this post this morning. (I had asked him some questions in relation to this post and he called me, so it was a coincidence, I guess?) That IP is definitely Andy; he says he saw this post in the tag for his name, and visited your page to leave you a comment to tell you that he hadn’t sent that message. I don’t know if you got a message from him that day or not. He also admitted to using proxies to send anon messages a few times, but I don’t know if he did it that day.
So I’m checking the time-stamps to see if it backs up his story - I don’t know when you *received* the ask, but the IP for the person who left it would probably show up on your list a few minutes before you got the comment, unless Tumblr delayed it. If you get email notifications, you can look at the time that you received the email. I’ve tested this method with known users and it kind of works - if you get a bunch of anons at the same time, then it doesn’t work so well.
I liked the post and used XKit to check the datestamp on the post. This should be the time and date that it was posted (unless Tumblr or XKit is being weird).
Timestamps are supposed to be displayed in my timezone, which is Pacific Standard Time (daylight savings just ended). I don’t know what timezone your statcounter uses, but it looks like it backs up his story - maybe? If you want to know if Andy left that anon, you’ll have to do some more checking.
The proxy referral is weird to me. Aren’t proxies supposed to hide your IP? If Andy was using a proxy to hide his IP but it’s still tracing his IP, then it doesn’t seem to be doing its job. I did link to your blog on Oct. 24, so that’s probably why the referral leads back to my blog. I don’t have enough experience with Statcounter to know.
hey, remember that very dramatic ask I got on 25th of october, which refferred to delwynmarch as a “monster”? (Poster's note: Linked below)
finally got around to checking out my statcounter and found this morsell
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[picture description: a screenshot from statcounter of a single IP (Cox Communication - Williamsburg, Virginia, US) 70.161.160.253 I titled “Andythanfiction or inner circle” that visited my blog 4 times
thrice in 25th october and once 31st October
the visits were directly to my blog, no reffered link, or to my askbox (no refferal either)
once it was reffered from an anonymisation service
[link referred from]
[link referred to]
the last link shows that the IP visited this post on my blog; this will become relevant later]
hm.
apparently this anonymous asker lives in Williamsburg, Virginia and *also* creeps on other ppl’s blogs under anonymisers?
I’ll let you reach your own conclusions -_- from my end let me just say “ew”
agentsex I feel like you should know that you have an anonymous, uh, creeper (I am sure there is some *perfectly reasonable* explanation as to why your friend might be checking your blog anonymously, uhm)
(unfortunately I am a terrible floof and thus didn’t check the anon ask I got in september, neither did I think to log the IP andy used to send me an actual non-anon ask, bleh)
oh and as for the moth post -
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[picture desc: a screencap of andy’s blog with the moth post, the date on the post says 3 days ago, my clock shows it’s november the 3rd
some random details that could help identify my computer have been blacked out]
he does reblog it the same day, but from a different source, so, you know, not super hard evidence
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what he also does reblog the same day is this post
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[picture description: screencap of the notes on the mentioned post, which shows that andy reblogged this post from into-the-weeds]
this gets reblogged directly from the person I reblogged it from, whom he doesn’t follow; I think this strongly implies he was creeping around my blog but didn’t want to show it
That is all folks! I hope you enjoyed my amateur sleuthing* hour!!
*how the fuck do you spell this garbage word /angry Clint noises/
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The anon ask in question:
http://thetigerisariver.tumblr.com/post/100896418524/delwynmarch-in-the-last-3-4-days-about-meds
Delwynmarch in the last 3-4 days. About meds. About gender. About drinking. About being friends with someone "bad". About NPD. About so many things that I start sobbing and feeling sick just opening their page before I can say a word but people are listening and agreeing and there's this new one, the "psychblogger" who is absolute poison. Other than Agentsex and the andystans you're the only one I know who has ever stood up to that monster and someone has to please.
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http://thetigerisariver.tumblr.com/post/101675641184/for-statcounter-users
do we collate IPs Andy uses anywhere? If so I have one to offer - 70.161.160.253
if not, well, some of the Nonnies who has energy to spare and a love of catalogisation (I know there is at least a few of you around) might get into this
also I propose we collate which anonymisation services he uses - considering how many there are, they might as well be a signature (also I think he is way too lazy to change up too often tbh)
I have a confirmed use of Hide My Ass from 25th october
This IP/service were used either by Andy himself or someone tasked with a role in this particular PR war that Andy seems to be waging. I wrote a whole post about it.
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http://agentsex.tumblr.com/post/101687134488/thetigerisariver-hey-remember-that-very
Agentsex responds to the first post above; says Andy admitted to sending anon asks and using proxies.
I happened to be on the phone with Andy when I got the notification for this post this morning. (I had asked him some questions in relation to this post and he called me, so it was a coincidence, I guess?) That IP is definitely Andy; he says he saw this post in the tag for his name, and visited your page to leave you a comment to tell you that he hadn’t sent that message. I don’t know if you got a message from him that day or not. He also admitted to using proxies to send anon messages a few times, but I don’t know if he did it that day.
So I’m checking the time-stamps to see if it backs up his story - I don’t know when you *received* the ask, but the IP for the person who left it would probably show up on your list a few minutes before you got the comment, unless Tumblr delayed it. If you get email notifications, you can look at the time that you received the email. I’ve tested this method with known users and it kind of works - if you get a bunch of anons at the same time, then it doesn’t work so well.
I liked the post and used XKit to check the datestamp on the post. This should be the time and date that it was posted (unless Tumblr or XKit is being weird).
Timestamps are supposed to be displayed in my timezone, which is Pacific Standard Time (daylight savings just ended). I don’t know what timezone your statcounter uses, but it looks like it backs up his story - maybe? If you want to know if Andy left that anon, you’ll have to do some more checking.
The proxy referral is weird to me. Aren’t proxies supposed to hide your IP? If Andy was using a proxy to hide his IP but it’s still tracing his IP, then it doesn’t seem to be doing its job. I did link to your blog on Oct. 24, so that’s probably why the referral leads back to my blog. I don’t have enough experience with Statcounter to know.
Abbey confirms Andy's father was investigated due to Andy's false abuse allegations
(Anonymous) 2016-05-07 12:55 am (UTC)(link)http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/272.html?thread=999184#cmt999184
Per his parents, both to me and my mother, Andys father was investigated by police. His job was as fire chief and and he was high in security for celebrity and other VIP guests (including Queen Elizabet). The accusations Andy made were reported to police along with all the other things Turi reported. His family also filed a missing person report, and as Andy claimed abuse was why he ran, that was investigated too.
No charges were filed and he was exonerated.
KQ
Per his parents, both to me and my mother, Andys father was investigated by police. His job was as fire chief and and he was high in security for celebrity and other VIP guests (including Queen Elizabet). The accusations Andy made were reported to police along with all the other things Turi reported. His family also filed a missing person report, and as Andy claimed abuse was why he ran, that was investigated too.
No charges were filed and he was exonerated.
KQ
this is SO ! EMBARRASSING !
Watchfulnonny's post about Andy changing his account of Brittany's murder/other manipulations
(Anonymous) 2016-08-21 07:16 pm (UTC)(link)http://watchfulnonny.tumblr.com/post/149037170737/my-apologies-the-posts-in-question-i-want-to
My apologies. The posts in question I want to write about are either removed, or not visible to me, and I did not take screenshots when I saw them. I’m calling in a few friends to see if they can find anything. This post won’t be as detailed as if I could get screenshots, because I’d rather be vague than cite misinformation.
I considered VERY CAREFULLY over a period of months whether or not I should come forward with this, and ultimately decided yes, I want to, but I had to wait until I was emotionally able to. While topics such as Meg and Brittany are very controversial, they are only tangentially related: my focus is on Andy.
If you don’t want to read this post, or my reblogs/responses of any commentary, remember you can filter the tag glovesoff.
CW: death mention (Brittany), gun violence mention (non graphic)
Andy has had two very big public breakdowns exhibiting PTSD-like symptoms this year. The first was a series of posts around the anniversary of Brittany’s death. I will try best to describe from memory what he wrote. There are other details I am less confident about, so I will err on the side of caution and omit those entirely.
I’m sorry, I can’t recall if it was the anniversary itself or near it. But he began having what sounded like some pretty severe flashbacks. He was spending time with Megan that day, He began posting in pretty extreme distress, saying he didn’t want Meg to leave for work for fear he would never see her alive again. She went to work anyway, and he began to make resigned posts that he wouldn’t believe she was alive until he saw her alive again.
He explained the shooting, giving a different story than I have seen him give before. Again, I wish I had screenshots, but I don’t, however this time he actually described having a showdown with Jason and the gun jamming. People expressed a great deal of sympathy of course, and were generally sympathetic, and asked questions publicly. However, it seemed that Meg was the only one in charge of helping him, and she had to prioritize just going to work–a decision I would have ended up having to make myself, so it’s not one I judge.
I’m sorry, it was awhile ago so I can’t recall if there was any mention of how he felt when Meg came back alive or anything after that.
but no one intervened. THIS is why I decided to come forward.
Andy’s narrative is this:
1. He developed a weirdly specific form of psychosis and abused the Bagenders and Abbey, and then the DAYDians until his diagnosis
2. Therapy and medication have reformed him to the point of being totally safe to resume his old activities (except for finishing the DAYD series).
3. In the circumstance that he begins to regress to dangerous behaviours, his friends are at the ready to report them to his mental health team.
PTSD can cause psychosis, and even if it didn’t, he was clearly having a mental health crisis. Why was Meg left solely responsible, as far as I can tell, for dealing with his trauma, then, when supposedly all of his friends can get his mental health team to intervene in a crisis? He initially posted very openly about. Other people have written about why this expectation of people to manage his mental health is abusive, but even so, we’re supposed to believe they do, and yet he ended up attempting to compromise Meg’s job stability (find me a retail employer who takes well to people calling in).
Further, on the 4th of July, he made a series of posts about self-medicating to deal with the sound of fireworks.
(screenshots of Andy's facebook)
Sure, there’s nothing wrong with drinking. But if Andy had the level of care he claims to get, I am sure he would be able to come up with more coping skills than just binge drinking–and this was weeks after his last episode.
His friends expressed so much sympathy and support, and Meg made the same decisions I would make in that situation, if I’m totally honest. My problem is how his narrative is not remotely consistent. He is, yet still, hiding in plain sight. I don’t think he has the level of care he claims to have, and as abusive as it would be to make his friends responsible, I don’t know if any of them really would know what to do, because they don’t intervene.
I am wary of Andy’s mental health claims in general, and I’m sorry Brittany’s death has effected him so negatively. Even if other people don’t agree, I want to err on the side of believing he is totally honest about that, because it really is a way a lot of people would feel after going through that. But if he wants to claim he is reformed through mental health care, he needs to deal with the hard, painful, ugly parts of therapy.
glovesoff andythanfiction andrew blake
My apologies. The posts in question I want to write about are either removed, or not visible to me, and I did not take screenshots when I saw them. I’m calling in a few friends to see if they can find anything. This post won’t be as detailed as if I could get screenshots, because I’d rather be vague than cite misinformation.
I considered VERY CAREFULLY over a period of months whether or not I should come forward with this, and ultimately decided yes, I want to, but I had to wait until I was emotionally able to. While topics such as Meg and Brittany are very controversial, they are only tangentially related: my focus is on Andy.
If you don’t want to read this post, or my reblogs/responses of any commentary, remember you can filter the tag glovesoff.
CW: death mention (Brittany), gun violence mention (non graphic)
Andy has had two very big public breakdowns exhibiting PTSD-like symptoms this year. The first was a series of posts around the anniversary of Brittany’s death. I will try best to describe from memory what he wrote. There are other details I am less confident about, so I will err on the side of caution and omit those entirely.
I’m sorry, I can’t recall if it was the anniversary itself or near it. But he began having what sounded like some pretty severe flashbacks. He was spending time with Megan that day, He began posting in pretty extreme distress, saying he didn’t want Meg to leave for work for fear he would never see her alive again. She went to work anyway, and he began to make resigned posts that he wouldn’t believe she was alive until he saw her alive again.
He explained the shooting, giving a different story than I have seen him give before. Again, I wish I had screenshots, but I don’t, however this time he actually described having a showdown with Jason and the gun jamming. People expressed a great deal of sympathy of course, and were generally sympathetic, and asked questions publicly. However, it seemed that Meg was the only one in charge of helping him, and she had to prioritize just going to work–a decision I would have ended up having to make myself, so it’s not one I judge.
I’m sorry, it was awhile ago so I can’t recall if there was any mention of how he felt when Meg came back alive or anything after that.
but no one intervened. THIS is why I decided to come forward.
Andy’s narrative is this:
1. He developed a weirdly specific form of psychosis and abused the Bagenders and Abbey, and then the DAYDians until his diagnosis
2. Therapy and medication have reformed him to the point of being totally safe to resume his old activities (except for finishing the DAYD series).
3. In the circumstance that he begins to regress to dangerous behaviours, his friends are at the ready to report them to his mental health team.
PTSD can cause psychosis, and even if it didn’t, he was clearly having a mental health crisis. Why was Meg left solely responsible, as far as I can tell, for dealing with his trauma, then, when supposedly all of his friends can get his mental health team to intervene in a crisis? He initially posted very openly about. Other people have written about why this expectation of people to manage his mental health is abusive, but even so, we’re supposed to believe they do, and yet he ended up attempting to compromise Meg’s job stability (find me a retail employer who takes well to people calling in).
Further, on the 4th of July, he made a series of posts about self-medicating to deal with the sound of fireworks.
(screenshots of Andy's facebook)
Sure, there’s nothing wrong with drinking. But if Andy had the level of care he claims to get, I am sure he would be able to come up with more coping skills than just binge drinking–and this was weeks after his last episode.
His friends expressed so much sympathy and support, and Meg made the same decisions I would make in that situation, if I’m totally honest. My problem is how his narrative is not remotely consistent. He is, yet still, hiding in plain sight. I don’t think he has the level of care he claims to have, and as abusive as it would be to make his friends responsible, I don’t know if any of them really would know what to do, because they don’t intervene.
I am wary of Andy’s mental health claims in general, and I’m sorry Brittany’s death has effected him so negatively. Even if other people don’t agree, I want to err on the side of believing he is totally honest about that, because it really is a way a lot of people would feel after going through that. But if he wants to claim he is reformed through mental health care, he needs to deal with the hard, painful, ugly parts of therapy.
glovesoff andythanfiction andrew blake
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