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I think it's obvious to everyone who the co-dependant potentially-suicidal-if-Andy-dropped-her DAYDian is and I'm aware of who the 2 married couples are. Does the outright sycophantic older guy's surname beginning with M? Because I think I may know who he is too, though the rest are a mystery.
It's interesting that in those texts he sent to Agentsex talking about the number of people he'd abused, he said it was 4 in LoTR fandom and 11 DAYDians. I bet he's only counting those he got deeply involved in the whole channelling thing and it wouldn't even occur to him to include those he hurt by he lavishing attention on and then withdrawing it.
What's the significant damage he's done in SPN? Do you mean stuff like Profound Radio disbanding and the whole Gishwes implosion or something else?
Yes, the outright sycophantic older guy's surname does begin with an M. I imagine you know who he is, and like I said, he reemerged recently and seemed to have cooled significantly toward Andy. FWIW, I believe we've figured out that this guy is one of Andy's chatters in Turimel's Skype conversation, the one who is most vocally jumping to elevate Andy and tear down the claims against him.
The rest are mysteries and are probably going to remain mysteries (even I can only vaguely remember the name of one of the girls, though I know who the rest are) because they, afaik, didn't make it to the Tumblr stage of DAYDverse, having been cast out and demonized before the switch from LJ to Skype to Facebook to Tumblr really happened.
It's interesting that in those texts he sent to Agentsex talking about the number of people he'd abused, he said it was 4 in LoTR fandom and 11 DAYDians.
In LoTR alone, there's Abbey, Turimel, Little Sam, Diamond, Bob... I'm already at 5, and Andy's involvement in that mess was way before my time and way outside my perspective. I can recall above 11 in DAYDverse without even thinking about it and without counting Brittany or her DAYDian brother (the six people involved in the couples, plus D, B, L, L2 (moniker), L3 (moniker), D, T).
To be honest...? I best that those 4 people and 11 people figures are typical of Andy's strategy to give (fake) specifics in order to lend himself an air of believably. He once wrote: "I've seen 37 friends die violently. I've been shot 4 times." Both of which are clearly BS. But by giving concrete numbers, he sounds like he's more rooted in the truth than he actually is.
I bet he's only counting those he got deeply involved in the whole channelling thing and it wouldn't even occur to him to include those he hurt by he lavishing attention on and then withdrawing it.
Ding ding, I think you're probably exactly right here. Remembering that people are only worthwhile to Andy if they can somehow serve him, I would be shocked if he was counting the people who helped him and encouraged him and thought they'd befriended him only to be cut off when he got bored of them.
- DAYD Nonnie
Was Brittany's DAYDian brother aware of the channelling aspect? Are he and Andy still in contact? Coz I'm wondering how that fitted in to the whole family hating Andy and banning him from the funeral.
I believe that he was around for some of the channeling. That said, he was MUCH less involved in the community as a whole than Brittany was, and I wouldn't want to say with certainty that the brother was in the Skype chat when the characters were "coming through."
AFAIK, Andy does not have any more contact with anyone in Brittany's family, including this brother.
As a former insider, can you shed any light on how accurate this (http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/97483.html?thread=478396619#cmt478396619) analysis of the CFC situation is? I'd really appreciate you insight.
Tea Blogger
As far as I know (and it's very much secondhand, because I have never been at a Posse event) they're actually pleased that he has friends over. I think maybe it looks normal and is therefore reassuring? But nothing about "Mom, I'm having a clingy 47 year old who cries a lot over" looks good, I guess.
Out of curiosity, do you know if CFC's conversion to Catholicism has anything to do with Andy? Abbey has said that when she left him, he was trying to get her involved with the Catholic Church. (http://kqcrazytrain.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/why-i-dont-believe-in-god-concluded-2/#more-1144)
Tea Blogger
According to the post made around the time by him, he was baptized Catholic and that was apparently good enough for the Church. I'm Catholic, but have never been to a baptism for an adult, so I don't know if that's the case, but it's plausible I suppose. It's just strange to me that she would have him when he's not even a practising Catholic, but that might be more because she's so reliant on him for her emotional stability. It is amusing to me that he's on Catholic when it's useful to him in this situation and in his appropriating of the Troubles.
Hang on...when you say that there's a lot of projection going on in regards to Cfc's attitude towards Abbey's relationship with Andy are you suggesting that Cfc's feelings for Andy are romantic/that she might have a crush on him?
OH GOD, NO. I mean, I seriously hope not, and did not mean to suggest that! I just meant she's accusing Abbey of taking advantage of a mentally ill, much younger person--when anyone looking closely could accuse CFC of doing the same thing, only financially/emotionally and not sexually.
These two posts are especially odd, now that I know that CFC and Brittany were never really friends. And note that in the first one, CFC describes Brittany as Andy's "roommate" and "friend"! One would think that if they were really life partners, Andy's bestest best friend would have known about it.
Tea Blogger
Just as a disclaimer... CFC and Brittany weren't friends during the time that *I* was active. Like I said, it's possible that their relationship evolved and mended some given enough time elapsed since the Shaman Wizard blow-up, which (rightfully) Ceirdwen was furious and frightened about. But given that Andy and Brittany were bouncing all over the place in the year or two between the die-down of the reveal and Brittany's murder and that Andy has a pretty hard time attending to someone (CFC) when he's actively wrapping himself around someone else (Brittany), I speculatively doubt that they were ever really close.
I don't mean to imply that Brittany died as CFC's mortal enemy... Not at all. I *do* question the framing of their relationship after Brittany's death, and it still does make me scratch my head to read CFC's tea journalings in light of that.
I would tend to doubt that they were actually friends. It seems like CFC was *trying*, probably because she was afraid of losing Andy. She was even planning a visit to California to stay with them--but she's said in some of her posts on that blog that their closeness and "good times" developed only after Brittany's death.
This is precisely it.
- DAYD Nonnie
Brittany was arguably more than complicit in (she was actually in a big way the driving force behind) the Undead Shaman Wizard wank
So this would suggest that, in answer to a question asked up-thread, Brittany *did* believe in the channeling, and Andy's recent claims that she was the first to identify his "delusions" as such were, in fact BS?
As far as I can tell.
Brittany was the one who was relaying the exchange about the Undead Shaman Wizard between idiomagic and Andy. So... At least at that point In time, either (1) she believed that Andy was in communication with entities on the Astral Plane and that by relaying his messages, she was joining in the effort to save CFC's kids, (2) she and Andy were fucking with people/were having a breakdown and trying to create a distraction after the big reveal, or (3) she knew that Andy was exhibiting symptoms of severe mental illness but went along with his claims for some reason. I think that (2) is too cynical and that (3), based on the behavior that I did see from Brittany re: Andy and his claims, is unlikely.
- DAYD Nonnie
DAYD nonnie...would you consider going on record at all?
Hmmm.
As much as I'd like to give more worth to my comments by signing my name or old Skype moniker or LJ, I'm not sure whether or not Andy ever knew my full name (or if he would still remember it if he did), but on the off chance that he did, I don't want to be in a place to find out if he or his followers would mess with me. Maybe that's paranoid, but... it's Andy. I also definitely don't have the time or level of interest needed to run a Tumblr about this kind of stuff... I'll leave that to the people who are already doing a great job exposing some of the crazier stuff that's gone on with Andy past and present. And people would whole heartedly agree.
I'm trying to be as credible as possible by only commenting on things that I know I remember and, when I speculate, to speculate from my own perspective as someone who was watching things go down. But having said that, if anyone has questions, I'll do my best to answer. :)
"Yet what you seem to be suggesting from the DAYDian channelling days is someone could simply ask to speak to a certain character and Andy would "channel" them upon request and he'd be totally aware of what was going on and what was being said while channelling the character and therefore wouldn't need the infodump after the character had left. "
You're 100% right here. This is exactly how the channelling worked in the DAYDian days, at least in the big Skype chat group. Have you ever seen the times on Tumblr where Andy will solicit questions about DAYD characters and then will answer them in asks? It was exactly like that, except in the first person rather than the third. So someone would ask for Colin, he would "come out," they'd ask him "How do you feel about your past infatuation over Harry?" and "Colin" would respond "You know, it's a little bit embarrassing in hindsight, but I don't regret being enthusiastic about someone like Harry. I'm proud to be a fan!" or whatever. It would be the exact same thing on Tumblr, only the question would be "How did Colin feel about..." and the response "You know, it's a little bit embarrassing in hindsight, but he doesn't regret..." Etc.
Andy remembered everything, to the point where, preemptively, like he needed to prevent anyone from calling him out for BS, he'd intersperse these episodes with lectures (from he himself, Andy, not a character) about how spirit channelling is considered sacred in other cultures, how we can't begin to know the mysteries of the universe, that according to multiverse theories and certain spiritualists, there are worlds in which Colin Creevy is real and where this recipe for Gumbo came not from a fictional DAYD character's fictional grandmother, but from a very real DAYD person's very real grandmother living in Louisiana.
Totally not in line with the type of channelling that Abbey experienced, when others would take over and Andy would be absent, claiming no knowledge of the intrusion or memory of that other's being there. And not the type of channelling that he's describing in his mental illness posts, where he talks about losing huge chunks of his life because "Andy" wasn't there.
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Non-Hike DAYDIAN Q&A, part 3
(Anonymous) 2015-04-15 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)It's interesting that in those texts he sent to Agentsex talking about the number of people he'd abused, he said it was 4 in LoTR fandom and 11 DAYDians. I bet he's only counting those he got deeply involved in the whole channelling thing and it wouldn't even occur to him to include those he hurt by he lavishing attention on and then withdrawing it.
What's the significant damage he's done in SPN? Do you mean stuff like Profound Radio disbanding and the whole Gishwes implosion or something else?
Yes, the outright sycophantic older guy's surname does begin with an M. I imagine you know who he is, and like I said, he reemerged recently and seemed to have cooled significantly toward Andy. FWIW, I believe we've figured out that this guy is one of Andy's chatters in Turimel's Skype conversation, the one who is most vocally jumping to elevate Andy and tear down the claims against him.
The rest are mysteries and are probably going to remain mysteries (even I can only vaguely remember the name of one of the girls, though I know who the rest are) because they, afaik, didn't make it to the Tumblr stage of DAYDverse, having been cast out and demonized before the switch from LJ to Skype to Facebook to Tumblr really happened.
It's interesting that in those texts he sent to Agentsex talking about the number of people he'd abused, he said it was 4 in LoTR fandom and 11 DAYDians.
In LoTR alone, there's Abbey, Turimel, Little Sam, Diamond, Bob... I'm already at 5, and Andy's involvement in that mess was way before my time and way outside my perspective. I can recall above 11 in DAYDverse without even thinking about it and without counting Brittany or her DAYDian brother (the six people involved in the couples, plus D, B, L, L2 (moniker), L3 (moniker), D, T).
To be honest...? I best that those 4 people and 11 people figures are typical of Andy's strategy to give (fake) specifics in order to lend himself an air of believably. He once wrote: "I've seen 37 friends die violently. I've been shot 4 times." Both of which are clearly BS. But by giving concrete numbers, he sounds like he's more rooted in the truth than he actually is.
I bet he's only counting those he got deeply involved in the whole channelling thing and it wouldn't even occur to him to include those he hurt by he lavishing attention on and then withdrawing it.
Ding ding, I think you're probably exactly right here. Remembering that people are only worthwhile to Andy if they can somehow serve him, I would be shocked if he was counting the people who helped him and encouraged him and thought they'd befriended him only to be cut off when he got bored of them.
- DAYD Nonnie
Was Brittany's DAYDian brother aware of the channelling aspect? Are he and Andy still in contact? Coz I'm wondering how that fitted in to the whole family hating Andy and banning him from the funeral.
I believe that he was around for some of the channeling. That said, he was MUCH less involved in the community as a whole than Brittany was, and I wouldn't want to say with certainty that the brother was in the Skype chat when the characters were "coming through."
AFAIK, Andy does not have any more contact with anyone in Brittany's family, including this brother.
As a former insider, can you shed any light on how accurate this (http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/97483.html?thread=478396619#cmt478396619) analysis of the CFC situation is? I'd really appreciate you insight.
Tea Blogger
As far as I know (and it's very much secondhand, because I have never been at a Posse event) they're actually pleased that he has friends over. I think maybe it looks normal and is therefore reassuring?
But nothing about "Mom, I'm having a clingy 47 year old who cries a lot over" looks good, I guess.
Out of curiosity, do you know if CFC's conversion to Catholicism has anything to do with Andy? Abbey has said that when she left him, he was trying to get her involved with the Catholic Church. (http://kqcrazytrain.wordpress.com/2011/11/02/why-i-dont-believe-in-god-concluded-2/#more-1144)
Tea Blogger
According to the post made around the time by him, he was baptized Catholic and that was apparently good enough for the Church. I'm Catholic, but have never been to a baptism for an adult, so I don't know if that's the case, but it's plausible I suppose. It's just strange to me that she would have him when he's not even a practising Catholic, but that might be more because she's so reliant on him for her emotional stability. It is amusing to me that he's on Catholic when it's useful to him in this situation and in his appropriating of the Troubles.
Hang on...when you say that there's a lot of projection going on in regards to Cfc's attitude towards Abbey's relationship with Andy are you suggesting that Cfc's feelings for Andy are romantic/that she might have a crush on him?
OH GOD, NO. I mean, I seriously hope not, and did not mean to suggest that! I just meant she's accusing Abbey of taking advantage of a mentally ill, much younger person--when anyone looking closely could accuse CFC of doing the same thing, only financially/emotionally and not sexually.
https://griffinsandgingersnaps.wordpress.com/2012/12/23/tea-with-brittany-4-real-chai/
https://griffinsandgingersnaps.wordpress.com/2014/03/18/a-ceramic-cup/
These two posts are especially odd, now that I know that CFC and Brittany were never really friends. And note that in the first one, CFC describes Brittany as Andy's "roommate" and "friend"! One would think that if they were really life partners, Andy's bestest best friend would have known about it.
Tea Blogger
Just as a disclaimer... CFC and Brittany weren't friends during the time that *I* was active. Like I said, it's possible that their relationship evolved and mended some given enough time elapsed since the Shaman Wizard blow-up, which (rightfully) Ceirdwen was furious and frightened about. But given that Andy and Brittany were bouncing all over the place in the year or two between the die-down of the reveal and Brittany's murder and that Andy has a pretty hard time attending to someone (CFC) when he's actively wrapping himself around someone else (Brittany), I speculatively doubt that they were ever really close.
I don't mean to imply that Brittany died as CFC's mortal enemy... Not at all. I *do* question the framing of their relationship after Brittany's death, and it still does make me scratch my head to read CFC's tea journalings in light of that.
I would tend to doubt that they were actually friends. It seems like CFC was *trying*, probably because she was afraid of losing Andy. She was even planning a visit to California to stay with them--but she's said in some of her posts on that blog that their closeness and "good times" developed only after Brittany's death.
This is precisely it.
- DAYD Nonnie
Brittany was arguably more than complicit in (she was actually in a big way the driving force behind) the Undead Shaman Wizard wank
So this would suggest that, in answer to a question asked up-thread, Brittany *did* believe in the channeling, and Andy's recent claims that she was the first to identify his "delusions" as such were, in fact BS?
As far as I can tell.
Brittany was the one who was relaying the exchange about the Undead Shaman Wizard between idiomagic and Andy. So... At least at that point In time, either (1) she believed that Andy was in communication with entities on the Astral Plane and that by relaying his messages, she was joining in the effort to save CFC's kids, (2) she and Andy were fucking with people/were having a breakdown and trying to create a distraction after the big reveal, or (3) she knew that Andy was exhibiting symptoms of severe mental illness but went along with his claims for some reason. I think that (2) is too cynical and that (3), based on the behavior that I did see from Brittany re: Andy and his claims, is unlikely.
- DAYD Nonnie
DAYD nonnie...would you consider going on record at all?
Hmmm.
As much as I'd like to give more worth to my comments by signing my name or old Skype moniker or LJ, I'm not sure whether or not Andy ever knew my full name (or if he would still remember it if he did), but on the off chance that he did, I don't want to be in a place to find out if he or his followers would mess with me. Maybe that's paranoid, but... it's Andy. I also definitely don't have the time or level of interest needed to run a Tumblr about this kind of stuff... I'll leave that to the people who are already doing a great job exposing some of the crazier stuff that's gone on with Andy past and present. And people would whole heartedly agree.
I'm trying to be as credible as possible by only commenting on things that I know I remember and, when I speculate, to speculate from my own perspective as someone who was watching things go down. But having said that, if anyone has questions, I'll do my best to answer. :)
"Yet what you seem to be suggesting from the DAYDian channelling days is someone could simply ask to speak to a certain character and Andy would "channel" them upon request and he'd be totally aware of what was going on and what was being said while channelling the character and therefore wouldn't need the infodump after the character had left. "
You're 100% right here. This is exactly how the channelling worked in the DAYDian days, at least in the big Skype chat group. Have you ever seen the times on Tumblr where Andy will solicit questions about DAYD characters and then will answer them in asks? It was exactly like that, except in the first person rather than the third. So someone would ask for Colin, he would "come out," they'd ask him "How do you feel about your past infatuation over Harry?" and "Colin" would respond "You know, it's a little bit embarrassing in hindsight, but I don't regret being enthusiastic about someone like Harry. I'm proud to be a fan!" or whatever. It would be the exact same thing on Tumblr, only the question would be "How did Colin feel about..." and the response "You know, it's a little bit embarrassing in hindsight, but he doesn't regret..." Etc.
Andy remembered everything, to the point where, preemptively, like he needed to prevent anyone from calling him out for BS, he'd intersperse these episodes with lectures (from he himself, Andy, not a character) about how spirit channelling is considered sacred in other cultures, how we can't begin to know the mysteries of the universe, that according to multiverse theories and certain spiritualists, there are worlds in which Colin Creevy is real and where this recipe for Gumbo came not from a fictional DAYD character's fictional grandmother, but from a very real DAYD person's very real grandmother living in Louisiana.
Totally not in line with the type of channelling that Abbey experienced, when others would take over and Andy would be absent, claiming no knowledge of the intrusion or memory of that other's being there. And not the type of channelling that he's describing in his mental illness posts, where he talks about losing huge chunks of his life because "Andy" wasn't there.