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So, Andy is going nuclear on a TON of stuff from the DAYD community, after his recent drama in LA. He’s even locked down his Facebook. You can’t search his name anymore. I think this thing in LA really shook him, in that this was the first time someone he preyed on in a fandom was alerted to his activities DIRECTLY because of the multitude of information on him on the internet. His LA host’s friend actually tangentially knew about Andy prior to this, then did some deep digging when he showed up in LA.

What NORMALLY happens is that the people trying to warn his potential victims is that the warning comes, not from a close, personal IRL friend, but from an anonymous, impersonal blog or internet acquaintance. Andy is then able to twist the narrative and his victim doesn’t look any deeper into the evidence- partly because there is SO MUCH fucking evidence. To get an accurate picture of how Andy operates, how shitty of a person, how abusive and DANGEROUS he actually is, you have to read, at very least, a novel’s worth of internet pages, sift through all the misinformation (tans misdirection) planter by Andy and his past followers...and all while he’s actively manipulating you into believing that he’s only being persecuted because he’s trans, or there’s a bitter ex, and that if you don’t believe him, you’re not a very good friend, are you, because he’s done ~so much~ for you.

The way he selects his victims is VERY telling. He doesn’t make friends the way a “normal” person does- by repeated meetings, as you’re brought together by similar interest or mutual friends or similar life experience. Obviously, everyone does make “random friends” sometimes. But Andy has an MO: he finds people online, who have NO IDEA who he is, then paints a picture of who he wants them to THINK he is (ex his Oirsh, IRA, fought on both sides of the Troubles persona of DAYD days, his SJW, but maaanly man of his tumblr/supernatural days, etc.) He does this so he can: 1 control the narrative around himself and his past- they are either not told about his abusive past (...though is it a past if he never stops?!) or they’re given a highly editorialized version (like he did with his LA landlord,) 2 because it allows him to better manipulate the people around him (IRA refugee is a lot more sympathetic than “manipulative rapist who lies about mental illness.)

By the time they hear about him from AA blogs or other online connections, he’s already got.a foot in the “don’t believe those crazy tinhatters” door and enough pull on them to manipulate them into not looking deeper. Again, there is SO MUCH information to wade through that most people just don’t. It almost seems crazy, that there’s so much discussion of him, that it bolsters his claims that we’re all just tin hat nutters....until you realize you’re dealing with a dangerous, manipulative, rapist asshole who is unrepentant and NOT changing. Then you’re like “omg, this makes sense.” But when he’s still just some cool dude you met online who’s maybe kinda weird but really nice to you? I can see how someone could choose to believe his version of events.

Anyway, my point is that I think this forum serves a really important purpose in documenting and informing the public about Andy. And now that I see him HARD deleting a lot of things from his DAYD and Brittany era, I’m scared that the proof, the information, the kinds of things that you read and make you go “omg he’s manipulating the SHIT out of these poor fucking people who are doing what they think is right” are disappearing. And that scares me, because the ONLY way to prevent another BOE, another DAYD, hell, another Orangeblossom and Brittany and Diamond...the only way to prevent that is to MAKE SURE that this kind of proof doesn’t disappear.

I have a bunch of screenshots I took of the DAYD comm and his LJ at the time before he went nuclear on it.

I don’t have a tumblr, plus I felt weird messaging TeaBlogger because I’m sure they’re very busy with real life and they have no obligation to constantly keep up with the blog, but a lot of the links in their timeline are dead links now. I don’t know if TB screen shotted for posterity, but if they want the SS I have, I’ll gladly email them, if they give me an email address.

I might be paranoid, but fuck, when I think about the fact that he literally mind-fucked Brittany into doing things she’s NEVER ordinarily do- like trying to blackmail he WIDLY UNSTABLE ex husband into paying money to her (Andy, really)...I mean, he convinced OB that her mom had abused her. Which she now regrets, wholeheartedly. And judging by Operation Catch And Release, her mom is actually amazing. I know we don’t bring up Jason’s extortion because it could, theoretically, paint a murder victim in a bad light...but I don’t think that’s true. I firmly believe that Andy convinced Brittany the abuse was real and the threats valid. I don’t think she was a grifter. I don’t think she was any kind of bad person. I think that, with the evidence presented by what OB has written on the subject, it’s safe to assume he had Brittany mindfucked to the extreme. He just didn’t account for Jason being as unstable as he was- in the past, other guys he’s done this to (like OBs ex husband) have either just ponied up the cash, or told him to go fuck himself.

No one but Jason is responsible for Brittany’s death, but Andy DEFINITELY destabilized an already contentious relationship for his own gain. She had already left Jason and MOVED OUT before Andy. Maybe Jason was always going to go bugshit in that exact manner- we’ll never know -but all signs point to “probably not.”

Okay, sorry, TLDR. I hope this made sense.

What recent drama in LA?

Tea Blogger did a write up on it, but I happened to be Facebook friends with his LA Landlord and did some digging when she posted a bunch about Andy- her friend group made a few public posts and another girl involved made a few tumblr entries. So that’s where I got this information.

Basically, Andy befriended a very sweet, kind chick in LA online- she also has a semi-large internet following and has a lot of friends who have even bigger followings. He convinced her that he was just a normal, CIS guy who had been involved in fandom drama including “a hobbit cult” but that it was all just silly kid stuff, nothing serious, ignore the tinhats, etc. He gave her a VERY VERY abridged version of events that painted him as a woobie and completely absolved him of blame, just enough information to keep her from looking deeper.

Basically, he had permission to stay at her house in LA for either one or two weeks, I can’t remember, while his housing was sorted out. He also claimed to have a full time job as a costumer. He ended up staying for a MONTH. His job was also only a one-shot. Not regular employment. While he was there, he said disgustingly sexist, transphobic and homophobic things- because remember, he told them he was CIS. Then he used manipulative ass behavior to get her and her friends to forgive him- like painting her a picture of her dead dog. He was a terrible house guest, trashing his room and other spaces. He did really creepy things. He told people he had permission to stay either indefinitely or for the whole summer, which was a lie.

Basically, he was setting up a new Posse...only this group got wise to his bullshit a lot quicker. A friend of his landlord found all the proof of his behavior online and sent it to her. She immediately had her spouse tell Andy to leave, right now, no question, no bullshit.

He left. Then he sicced his guard dog (one of a defected Virginia Posse’s ex husband Chris) on them. Chris blew up their facebooks with vitriol and victim blaming, vouching for Andy in really gross ways. He even created an ENTIRE Facebook page that was dedicated to defending Andy.

It went about as well as you think.

There’s soooo much more to the situation, including the fact that Andy was trying to use his friendship with his landlord to get a foot in the door with the Critical Role cast, as she was friends with them.

He hasn’t changed, he just picked a group to infiltrate and manipulate and bit off more than he could chew, because they had a very close knit, real life relationship that he couldn’t pull the strings on.

I suggest looking into the write ups about it, my summary is severely lacking.

Ah, sorry nonnie, I misunderstood. I know what went down with Molly and her friend group. You said "recent drama in LA" and as the stuff with Molly happened over a year ago now and Andy has just moved out to LA again, I thought you were referencing something that had just happened I hadn't heard about.

Oh sorry! Yeah, I was a bit unclear, as I meant “recent” in comparison to other big, publicly documented fuckery!

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