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If this is a friend of Andy's, please think long and hard about why it's so important to you that this line of inquiry not be pursued.

Just to clarify, the FOI request was suggested by the VA-area IP in this one instance.

You mean this?

So no one could access them through a FOI request?

Any thoughts on whether I could determine if a police report was filed about this, as Andy claims?

If this is what you mean, that was my comment, and athousandtimesholyshitno I wasn't suggesting it -- I was asking if someone could get their hands on them legally, as opposed to stealing them, and then send them to Andy.

I think it's extremely unlikely they'd be stolen, is why.

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I was asking if someone could get their hands on them legally, as opposed to stealing them, and then send them to Andy.

Just to be 1000% clear, I am not suggesting anyone do this, I'm speculating about whether Andy's claim that this happened is at all possible.

*sigh*

re: the FOIA stuff, google tells me crime scene photos can't be requested as it would be emotionally troubling to the deceased's family\loved ones:

When these cases go to court, judges have ruled against FOIA requests in cases where the release of death-scene photos, autopsy photos or coroner's reports would cause anguish and harm to the deceased person's family.

http://people.howstuffworks.com/lose-right-to-privacy-when-you-die1.htm

You may make an FOIA request for the release of crime scene photos, but they will not necessarily be released. It really depends on a lot of different factors (including the age of the crime). You do not have an absolute right, in other words, to view them.

The FOIA contains nine exemptions that permit (but do not require) agencies to withhold information. These exemptions are national security, trade secrets, oil and gas well data, internal agency personnel rules and policy matters, information specifically exempt from disclosure by another law, federally regulated bank information, personal privacy, and law enforcement investigations.

The exemptions that would cover crime scene photos would most likely be personal privacy laws and law enforcement investigations. If the photos are from an ongoing investigation, they will probably not be released. In fact, some states do not allow their release at all, to protect the privacy (and often safety) of the victims and their families.

http://forum.freeadvice.com/arrests-searches-warrants-procedure-26/crime-scene-photos-458660.html

Also relevant: As a note of clarification, the FOIA covers FEDERAL information, not state or local information. While the standards and exemptions are generally the same, the FOIA may be more or less strict than state regulations in some areas.

SA

And maybe I'm reading this wrong: http://www.rcfp.org/rcfp/orders/docs/POLICE.pdf

but it looks like in California criminal investigation files don't become public record even once the investigation is over. So there's no legal way anyone would have gotten ahold of those pictures.

Thanks for this, anon!

DA

Yeah, that's what I figured. Though just being a Virginia IP shouldn't be enough to raise a red flag, but the whole idea skeeves me out too.

And no, I'm not an Andy fan. I haven't even commented about this idea yet.

He's lying about this. We all know he's lying about this. We have plenty of proof that he's lying about this. The bare idea that we somehow need even more proof is weird to me.

We have plenty of proof that he's lying about this.

I haven't seen any. The story is just really implausible.

That's not the same as "proof", though.

This level of implausibility is, considering who's telling the story.

Oh, I think he's lying too. We have very different definitions of proof, though.

Yes, because you think calling the police department would prove anything. Even if they'd talk to someone about this, what are you hoping they'd say?

Um, I'm not going to be calling anyone. I haven't even advocated for it. I think you have me confused with another anon.

DA

This increases the likelihood that the story is a steaming pile of shit a great deal, but it doesn't actually prove anything.

Yep. Not only do we already have ample proof that he's a liar and that he uses Brittany's death to manipulate people, we also know that Andy's go-to spin on the AA blog issue is that they're involved in an obsessive witchhunt and will stop at nothing to drive him off the 'net. While investigating his claims is a large part of the reason we're all here...I really question the wisdom of furthering the impression that we need to be grasping at 2-year-old "leads" in this way.

DA

I find attitude really strange when we're on a community specifically set up to discuss Andy alone, and to archive his old posts. If people don't think there's a witch hunt on now, I doubt investigating a lie about Andy using Brittany's death is going to convince anyone.

Why don't you seem to care that the person that wants to call new Brittany?

Just stop with the guilt trip on them. You are starting to get weird over this.

Also it might be a two year old post but some people haven't known about this before. Why do you keep making a big deal of it being two years ago. It would still be a terrible lie and a terrible thing to imply that the crime scene photos were just out there somewhere.

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I'd say the fact that it's old is relevant, since the person who started this subthread asked for community thoughts on whether they should\could try to determine whether a police report was filed.

Also it might be a two year old post but some people haven't known about this before. Why do you keep making a big deal of it being two years ago. It would still be a terrible lie and a terrible thing to imply that the crime scene photos were just out there somewhere.

+1000

It would still be a terrible lie and a terrible thing to imply that the crime scene photos were just out there somewhere.

This is particularly true if Brittany's family gets wind of it. Someone claiming to be father posted on Turimel's journal, after all, so it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Because understanding what he said two years ago (or five years ago, or 10 years ago) contributes to understanding and debunking his bull today.

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