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I can't agree. His gender identity matters, because it influences the lies he tells and the manipulation he does. Just look at what that anon said about his gender dysphoria being the cause of his hygiene troubles. He blames these troubles on schizoprenia these days, he uses them as ammunition to fuel his false claim that he's got schizophrenia, but according to that anon, it's likely born from gender dysphoria instead. That's an important difference.

The only person who has made such an issue about his identity is Turimel

No. There's someone else who made an even bigger issue of it. Someone who used it to abuse people and reject responsibility for their past horrible actions. Andy tried as hard as he could to deny that he was ever Amy Player so he wouldn't have to shoulder the responsibility for his past abuse. And then when he couldn't avoid it anymore, he tried to get people to pity him for suffering from the worst case of gender dysphoria ever, once again to avoid having to deal with his past actions. This is important too.

It's Andy who chose to use his identity as a trans man to abuse people. From there, said identity cannot be ignored anymore. Which is not to say that I think it should be *denied*, not at all. He's trans, part of his abusive behavior probably comes from the fact that he's trans, and he's using the fact that he's trans to better abuse people. It all matters.

Sorry but I don't agree. Bringing his identity into question doesn't seem productive to me. No matter whether he identifies as trans or not he is a man. He is an abusive man, yes, but he is a man and that's all there is to say about it. Turimel believed that his male persona was a scam but it's easy to see that it isn't true, that while Andy is a lying liar who has lied about many many numerous things his being a man doesn't seem to be one of them. And he would be an abuser whether trans or not so it just doesn't seem relevant.

Bringing his identity into question doesn't seem productive to me.

I'm not talking about *questioning* his identity. As both you and I said, it's damn obvious that he's a trans man, even if he cannot bring himself to face that fact. I'm only talking about not shying away from *considering* his identity as a self-denying trans man when it's relevant to the abuse he's committing.

he is a man and that's all there is to say about it

I really can't agree with that. He's a trans man, and both parts of this identity play a heavy role in his abusive ways.

he would be an abuser whether trans or not so it just doesn't seem relevant.

It's highly relevant because he made it highly relevant by using his being a trans man to abuse people and to deny his abusive past. If he had never used his being trans to do anything wrong, then I would agree that it's irrelevant. But since he's repeatedly used his being trans to lie, hide, and abuse people, it's become very much relevant.

I'll be honest: I don't even understand how we can still be discussing this. How can something he's repeatedly used to hide and to abuse people NOT be relevant when discussing his lies and abuse?? What does "relevant" even mean then, if not "something directly related to the topic being discussed"? What DO you consider relevant when discussing Andy Blake's abuse and lies, and why, if something he's used so much and so often to nefarious ends isn't relevant to you?

You're confusing the issue. The post people had a problem with wasn't about Andy lying about being trans, but about us "not being 100% sure" if Andy isn't a woman lying about being a man.

Apples and oranges.

The post people had a problem with wasn't about Andy lying about being trans, but about us "not being 100% sure" if Andy isn't a woman lying about being a man.

There's literally no post in this thread saying that, so what are you talking about??

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