the point is, a lot of people experience their gender in ways that don't seem logical or don't mesh with dictionary definitions (like, the point of the word 'cisgender' existing is so we can have a word to say instead of "normal" not to further delineate gender, imo, we don't need more of that).
I think a lot of people would disagree with the idea that 'cisgender' and 'normal' are basically interchangeable.
I've never gotten the impression that cisgender is supposed to be a gender in and of itself. It refers to the fact that someone's GATB and their current gender identity are the same.
And like, people tend to take Andy's crap apart by logic, which doesn't really work for a personal issue like this, I think.
I think it does. The problem is that it very quickly reveals that some people's identification is not based on logic or on the object reality they've experienced, but instead is driven by emotion (as the previous anon pointed out) -- and often very negative emotions, at that. Some people find this distressing.
like, the anon I was replying to wrote "but basically Andy identifies as cis but (apparently) still experiences horrid gender dysphoria, has publicly transitioned and was AFAB" and the implication is, this doesn't happen. It does though, people like this exist.
That wasn't the implication I got at all. It's like pointing the inconsistency of someone identifying as straight, but at the same time claiming they are exclusively sexually attracted to the same sex.
Obviously people like this exist. That's not the issue. The issue is that what they're claiming doesn't make any sense. It's an inherent contradiction.
Re: DIscussion of Facebook messages: Carlanime/Necromommycon and Andy
I think a lot of people would disagree with the idea that 'cisgender' and 'normal' are basically interchangeable.
I've never gotten the impression that cisgender is supposed to be a gender in and of itself. It refers to the fact that someone's GATB and their current gender identity are the same.
And like, people tend to take Andy's crap apart by logic, which doesn't really work for a personal issue like this, I think.
I think it does. The problem is that it very quickly reveals that some people's identification is not based on logic or on the object reality they've experienced, but instead is driven by emotion (as the previous anon pointed out) -- and often very negative emotions, at that. Some people find this distressing.
like, the anon I was replying to wrote "but basically Andy identifies as cis but (apparently) still experiences horrid gender dysphoria, has publicly transitioned and was AFAB" and the implication is, this doesn't happen. It does though, people like this exist.
That wasn't the implication I got at all. It's like pointing the inconsistency of someone identifying as straight, but at the same time claiming they are exclusively sexually attracted to the same sex.
Obviously people like this exist. That's not the issue. The issue is that what they're claiming doesn't make any sense. It's an inherent contradiction.