continued Thatfucker discussion

[anonniemouse]

Since we've been kicked off FFA for the week, please feel free to continue the anon discussion here. Apologies if this is a big flop - I've never made a DW community before!

The rules are vaguely the same as they are over on FFA. Please refrain from being too much of an asshole, making personal attacks, posting identifying information or engaging in transfail.

ETA: If there's information you'd like to see archived (journal/blog posts related to Andy, etc.), please dump it here and link to it from the main post for discussing.

Comments

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what you're apologizing for :D The time stamps say there were only 45 minutes between my question and your answer: that's pretty damn fast in my book!

Anyway. That quote really has Andy written all over it. He can't just say that the mother doesn't seem to care for her son. As usual, he has to go several extra miles, and vilify her in *every* possible way. All her actions are interpreted in the worst possible manner, with no room left for the possibility that maybe she's just a very private person who doesn't show her grief in public, for example. And *everything* about her appearance is criticized: the way she eats, her make-up, her hair job, her clothes, her face, and of course, as usual with Andy, her weight. It's like he filled a Bingo card, just so he could triumphantly bring in the supposedly obvious conclusion: she's clearly a horrible mother, so horrible that Sean's older brother (a man) had to step in and do her job. The fact that the conclusion is in no way related to the "arguments" he presented (for all we know, the woman is crying in agony inside, and a woman's appearance has *nothing* to do with how good of a mother she is), is pushed aside and pulled under by the flood of details, in typical Andy style. It's disgustingly fascinating, in a way.

If the rest of the DAYD fics are like that, then I see what you mean. Thank you for taking the time to share that snippet!

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

Aha, I see that now. When I was answering I was comparing the time stamp on your comment to the actual time in my house, and it looked like I'd wandered off for hours. :)

Yeah, the whole fic is like this. It's grammatically sound, even well-written at points, but the weird attitudes towards women are hard to wade through. As is the constant Oirish, and also the Laddish comments by some of the characters. It's difficult not to see it as a seething mass of issues. And I KNOW my reading of it must be being influenced by my knowledge of who wrote it, but I think some of it would be pretty blatant anyway.

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

I recently looked at an overview of the DAYD cast that Andy posted a long time ago, as well as one of his posts about the various "diversity" categories into which each character falls. Is it just me, or did he kill off literally every single LGBTQIA character except Susan (who I gather is bi, married to a man, and not out)?

I mean, I might have missed something; it's been a long time since I actually read DAYD and I've never gotten all the way through Sluagh. But it sure looks that way to me.

TB

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

Careful, TB. Any minute now concern!troll is going to show up and accuse you of bi erasure, followed by an ANGRY CAPSLOCK lecture about ethics and marginalized orientations.

But yes, I think you may be right.

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

IIRC her orientation never came up in the actual fic, but was in one of those "20 random facts" things. I remember that really pissing me off.

TB

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

Hahahaha, and he claims to be so much better than that hack JKR.

Seriously, we get enough 'bury your gays' in mainstream media, I'm not looking for that shit in my fic as well. I'd actually rather read a fic where everyone is relentlessly het than one where all the LGBTQ+ characters are killed off.

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

Most of the characters that he introduced (or elevated from background) to increase diversity ended up dead. The survivors pretty much all had terrible things happen to them, but to be fair, I don't think anyone was immune from that in DAYDverse.

The one that comes most readily to mind is Li. Andy was really unimpressed with Cho Chang, as I recall, and Li Su was supposed to show how much better he could write an Asian character than JKR. Li ended up losing her entire body below the waist. She somehow lived through it and married Tony, a double amputee, and then Andy wrote porn about them to show how much he respected the sexuality of people with disabilities.

TB

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

… Why am I considering going looking for this? It's not going to lead anywhere good. Is it on FF.net or do I have to dig through the lj comm to find it?

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

I saw it on his tumblr; I'm not sure it still exists anywhere else since he's been taking things down.

TB

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

Oops, I was wrong! Here it is: http://daydverse.livejournal.com/77993.html

TB

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

I'm so confused about "Li". Generally SJ-oriented people write Chinese names in Family Name, Given Name order, as they would appear in the context of the culture. That's what Andy does. Li is her last name. Su/Sue is her first name:

http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Sue_Li

But whenever Andy discusses her, he refers to her by her family name, ie, "Li and Tony", etc. None of the other girls are referred to that way by Andy out-of-verse. He acts as though Li is her given name.

I don't know, it's weird.

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

Wow. I wasn't familiar enough with the extended HP canon to be aware of her or several other characters that I now realize must have come from that TV special. I'd actually thought that they were Andy's creations and that in her case, he'd picked Li as a first name out of ignorance. I guess I was half right.

He constantly refers to her as "Li Goldstein" after she and Tony get married. WTF.

TB

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

How does he refer to her in his fics? Is it possible he didn't know the Chinese naming convention and honestly thought that Li was her given name?

It doesn't help that Cho Chang is systematically called, well, Cho Chang, in the books. If Cho is Cho Chang, then shouldn't Su be Su Li?

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

Haha, didn't he criticize the idea that Dumbledore being gay was representation when you'd never know it in the novels?

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I'm only on chapter eight (of Sluagh), so as of right now Seamus is still alive and he's gay (or possibly bi).
~C

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

When did Andy write Sluagh? Was Brittany alive when this was written??

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, I thought Seamus was violently homophobic...and Andy excused it because he grew up in a "rough area" in Belfast, so he couldn't help it. Ugh.

TB

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

Well in Sluagh, Neville just polyjuiced himself into Dean and then went to Seamus' apartment, and Seamus kissed him and started undressing him.

Idk, I really don't.

~Carlanime

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

I am so confused right now. I may actually have to read it...

TB

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

I'm taking chapter-by-chapter notes here, for what it's worth: http://one-heck-of-a-ride.tumblr.com/

I'm really, really side-eyeing Seamus' tattoos right now. There was a description in chapter seven of his tattoos: basically he is covered in Celtic knotwork crosses bearing the names of all the DA members who were killed in the war.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Andy have a tattoo like that?

It's referenced (I think) in an FFA comment (http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/97483.html?thread=478148043#cmt478148043) which quoted this comment from Dana off the Dance Floor:

From: http://danaoffthedancefloor.tumblr.com/post/33525667419/tea-with-brittany-an-introduction


"My knowledge is a box of scraps and odd ends and mental images formed over that time: an eight-year-old stirring something in a pot surrounded by her siblings, a black dress with straw-colored wedges, an angry letter to an abusive father, carefully pronounced prayers in Arabic, six days of lentils and one day of elegant picnics, a hike on the Trail of Tears, a Celtic-knotwork cross with a name above and two years below, a picture of a pile of corkscrew curls over warm eyes and a freckled face and a hauntingly beautiful smile."

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for the link to your blog, nonnie!

Uhhhhh, wow. If that's true, then gross.

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

Wanna see it? It's on his tumblr.

http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/25786214439/i-have-massive-went-to-the-er-last-night-for

Imgur link in case of deletion:

http://i.imgur.com/cVR2t3j.jpg

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

Let me saw you from the purpose prose nightmare: Seamus isn't gay. It's guilt-driven. See other comments in this thread.

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

IRCC he does it out of guilt because Dean died for him right after confessing his love, which Seamus hostilely rejected.

Re: Question

[(Anonymous)]

I thought Seamus was straight as a rod and had a homophobic freakout toward his best friend just before he died.

He marries Susan Bones later and Andy's drawn all sorts of NSFW art of them happily fucking, so at the very least, he's bi. But I'm pretty sure that's not the case.