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Since we've been kicked off FFA for the week, please feel free to continue the anon discussion here. Apologies if this is a big flop - I've never made a DW community before!

The rules are vaguely the same as they are over on FFA. Please refrain from being too much of an asshole, making personal attacks, posting identifying information or engaging in transfail.

ETA: If there's information you'd like to see archived (journal/blog posts related to Andy, etc.), please dump it here and link to it from the main post for discussing.

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Just be clear, it's the FairFIELD police department you'd want to contact.

FYI: No police would release crime scene photos. If they exist, someone stole them. My money is that this is just another one of his many layers of lies.

RE: Why do Americans fetishize being Irish over other nationalities? Probably because, as a white person, that is the nationality that received a lot of immigrant hate "No dogs, [black people], or Irish" signs were about in the early 20th century. That'd be my guess, but, then, I have no idea. I am really 100% Irish, and I don't think it makes me special.

Italians and Eastern Europeans also received a lot of immigrant hate. And German people in the first part of the 20th century, around the world wars. Dutch, English, and Scandinavians were pretty much the only large immigrant populations that weren't subjected to much hate, though Scottish people were also welcomed pretty quickly.

Irishness got valorized, though. There was a sort of "proud revolutionary" tone to it, because the Irish were so oppressed by England, and had been for centuries. The Irish immigrant population was also huge because of that. This means a LOT of Americans really do have Irish ancestry and can identify with it. And then there's the way European immigrants got welcomed into "whiteness" (only certain European ethnicities were considered "white" for a very long time, regardless of skin tone, and the Irish were not among them) after the Civil War. The Irish, being such a large immigrant population, were at the forefront of that, which increased their visibility.

RE: Why do Americans fetishize being Irish over other nationalities? Probably because, as a white person, that is the nationality that received a lot of immigrant hate "No dogs, [black people], or Irish" signs were about in the early 20th century. That'd be my guess, but, then, I have no idea. I am really 100% Irish, and I don't think it makes me special.

I would +1 this and add that the Irish have the Mary Sue catnip bonus of speshul exotic hair/eye colors.

Most Irish people have brown or dark hair and grey eyes. That's not exotic.

The US stereotype of the irish involves green eyes and red hair though.

FYI: No police would release crime scene photos. If they exist, someone stole them. My money is that this is just another one of his many layers of lies.

So no one could access them through a FOI request?

Any thoughts on whether I could determine if a police report was filed about this, as Andy claims?

DA but I don't think it would be tasteful to contact the police about this claim at this point. It's obviously BS, but aside from that it's a really old one-off post of Andy's and from a PR standpoint the potential benefit of being able to offer undeniable proof that he's lied yet again isn't outweighed by the potential negative impression people will have of someone going so far out of their way to disprove a trivial comment related to this tragedy.

someone going so far out of their way to disprove a trivial comment related to this tragedy.

Disagree completely. Since I assume Andy's lying about this until proven otherwise, he made that comment to disparage his critics and to garner sympathy, and he did so using Brittany's death and by invoking the image of her murdered body. I don't think I can express how disgusting and disturbing that is.

If the police think their time is being wasted by such questions, they can tell me so and that will be the end of it. If not, they may be interested to know that someone is claiming their department has leaked or stolen images of murder victims, and has used them to harass another victim of the same crime.

It's a 2-year-old post that never got mileage and has already been all-but-proven false for reasons that have been outlined in this thread (he kept up his regular posting schedule and didn't otherwise react to what would be a shocking, terrible violation; he never repeated the claim despite the amount of mileage he would have been able to get from it; police just don't release crime scene photos of corpses and there wasn't anyone non-police to have taken such a photo).

Best case scenario: police confirm that it's not their policy to release said photos.

They still won't investigate beyond maybe giving Andy a phone call (during which he confirms that it did happen but he baleeted the email), because this supposedly happened 2 years ago, is an incident related to a closed case, is a cyber crime and therefore the biggest hassle to investigate even if they wanted to, and they have enough else to deal with, so it's still forever up in the air whether MAYBE someone happened to leak such a photo to someone who would harass Andy with it. And it actually looks all the more plausible to Andy's defenders that someone might have actually gone that far, because anti-thanfiction activists actually went so far as to contact the cops about a 2yo one-off post so they obviously aren't unable to go to extremes!

DA

Andy has a history of this sort of thing. It's not really a one-off. He also claimed someone phoned every funeral home in San Diego until one revealed to a complete stranger that his little cousin's funeral was being held there. It strikes me as really unlikely that a funeral home would answer provide information to just anyone like that.

I think it's pretty obvious Andy makes these sort of claims to cast aspersions on his critics, and to make it seem like he's the victim of a witch-hunt.

It also seems like every time someone disproves or talks about disproving one of Andy's lies, someone will chime to say it's not relevant or it doesn't matter. I think it does matter though, because claiming that Andy is a liar who you can't trust is just a declarative statement. Without proof that he continues to lie to this day, it's just a matter of opinion.

Hi, Virginia-area IP! Freezing this for now as it seems to be wank seeding; continue discussion in Gloves Off if you'd like:

http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/1245.html?thread=542941#cmt542941

Hi, Virginia-area IP!

I am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

RE: Why do Americans fetishize being Irish over other nationalities? Probably because, as a white person, that is the nationality that received a lot of immigrant hate "No dogs, [black people], or Irish" signs were about in the early 20th century. That'd be my guess, but, then, I have no idea. I am really 100% Irish, and I don't think it makes me special.

Maybe? I doubt it though, not everyone is obsessed with SJ and being the most oppressed when you get off the internet. Most people no little to nothing about what was actually going on... In my 13 years of public school we covered the Irish once. It was basically: "the potatoes died, the Irish came, they were mistreated, but now they're not, the end."

When I was in college I took an Irish history class and afterwards everyone would stay behind and talk. One time the professor brought up the fact that even after generations of being here a lot of Irish Americans still consider Ireland home.
When we talk about visiting Ireland our families all called it "going home," or "going back," even if we've never stepped foot in Europe let alone Ireland. And almost every Irish American I know at some point has vaguely fantasized about making enough money to move back someday.
It's like the Irish came over thinking it would be temporary and no one's told their descendants that we should probably give up on that goal.
And, yes, most of us logically know that we aren't Irish, that we aren't going to move to Ireland, and that Ireland isn't perfect but it's this weird undercurrent of Irish nationalism that just won't die.
Honestly, I think it's an interesting part of our culture, but I am very sorry it makes Irish people uncomfortable.

DA

This is a total tangent, but I find this topic interesting, so.

It's like the Irish came over thinking it would be temporary and no one's told their descendants that we should probably give up on that goal.

This is a really interesting point. Nicely put.

I am very sorry it makes Irish people uncomfortable.

It's not that it makes us uncomfortable. At least, not for me or people I know. It's that:

a) When we meet Americans, the invariably tell us about their Irish ancestry, if any. The truth is, we don't care, and it's very tiresome.

b) America seems to have almost taken over Irishness. There doesn't seem to be space in the American conception of Irishness for actual Irishness.

I'm all for people knowing their roots and their cultures, but it's all just a bit too much.

da

as a usian that is why i'm in favor of "hyphen american". sure, go learn about your heritage just remember not to make your very usian experience into something that is universal.

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