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Since we've been kicked off FFA for the week, please feel free to continue the anon discussion here. Apologies if this is a big flop - I've never made a DW community before!

The rules are vaguely the same as they are over on FFA. Please refrain from being too much of an asshole, making personal attacks, posting identifying information or engaging in transfail.

ETA: If there's information you'd like to see archived (journal/blog posts related to Andy, etc.), please dump it here and link to it from the main post for discussing.

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Yeah, this is weird. Why not ask the people who own/are associated with the actual building he's so worried about disrespecting? Tumblr skews highly liberal/progressive, and there responses are unlikely to reflect the actual values of a mosque in Virginia.

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He gave an excuse about that saying he wasn't comfortable talking to a clergy person he didn't know while he is a member of several oppressive groups. just the standard transparent need to score points.

And if he gets the go-ahead from a follower but a clergy member has a problem when he gets there?

No one speaks for all members of their faith, and in this case it's easy to see who the correct people to talk to are (hint: not a bunch of uninvolved people on the internet).

Eh, I just see it as an easy way of filtering out ideas. I normally ask possibly related friends and the internet before asking someone I need to call or talk to in person/find a person in authority because a) less effort/faster way to filter a no b) if it is a firm/obvious no, my embarrasement is all behind the screen and c) some degree of social anxiety with approaching people directly with a request.

That said, being Andy, it is still a weird request. I can't imagine going to take pictures in cosplay even at my own church, even if is related and nobody would be offended. It just seems weird/attention-grabby.

DA
I can't imagine going to my church and asking whether it would be okay to do a photoshoot inside, because it is a place for people to pray. If I needed a historical or exotic-looking place, I'd choose a museum, or a hotel, or even a restaurant - some of them have a great architecture or are based in historical buildings and I wouldn't distract people because public places like that are used for exact same purpose.
Heck, I know of a couple subway stations I could use (like this one http://allpoi.ru/images/article/user-540842/540842_1377782572.jpeg). Maybe it's a perk of living in a big city, though.

omg, this! It seems really disrespectful to use a place of worship as a backdrop for a hobby?

But I may be a grumpy curmudgeon, IDK

DA Some people just don't have that respect-filter though. You should see the people who kick off because a local graveyard has banned photography against the graves - and the ban was triggered by multiple incidents of people doing sexy photoshoots while laid on the stones; it didn't just come out of nowhere. You're even still allowed to take photos of the graves, just not of people with them, because of the previous fuckery, but that's not good enough for the disrespectful jerks.

Because whomever is working there is too delicate to be exposed to white men?

It's in Virginia. I'm pretty sure the staff at this mosque have interacted with white people before.

He's full of it, anyway. This is the only mosque in Williamsburg:

http://halalperks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Masjid_Abdul_Aziz_Islamic_Center_of_Williamsburg.jpg

The other "local" mosques in Hampton Roads and Richmond look either like university buildings or strip malls. Aaah yes. Very architecture. Much Pentos. Wow.

And this is why it's impossible to take him seriously when he talks about growth and change and whatnot. This random, pointless lie for no reason at all. Just because.

It really bugs me that he constantly flirts with Muslims. It started with a totally real college story about a girl in a hijab, then there was a reblog of a hijab fashion post and now this. As a person who was born and lived for 15 years in an Islamic country while being a Christian, I must say that his posts about Muslims feel a bit... I don't know, invasive? Unnecessary? I don't know, maybe Islam religion is exotic to Americans, because he doesn't look like he knows a lot about it. Islam has some laws that are pretty close to my Orthodox Christian church, especially regarding women. For example, I can't walk into a monastery church without covering my hair and wearing a long skirt. I was offered an apron once, when I was wearing pants on excursion. So I imagine some churches wouldn't allow a photoshoot with a half-naked woman too. It's not that hard to extrapolate without a need to ask online about something so simple. Well, maybe American Muslims are different and you can go to mosque wearing a cropped top and a mini-skirt?
Anyway, to me it has the same feel as his "feministic" or "anti-racist" posts. He tries to get an in with some made-up story which he compiles from the stuff he'd seen on tumblr, but he never actually does any research about the subject, so his posts don't look genuine enough.

YES, it's exactly the same stuff he did with Oirishness and DAYD. Just a lot of faked-up "knowledge" because it strikes him as exotic.

Wow it looks so suburban East Coast.

If he really thinks that looks like a fantasy city I'm worried about his imagination.

Yeah, I'm willing to bet this was not an actual plan or thing he intended doing; it was just a chance to ask a question that would make him look sensitive and concerned.

And there are plenty of "white" (at least by American standards) Muslims...Albanians, Serbians, light skinned Turks, Chenchens- just to name a few.

If Muslim clergy gets the vapors at seeing a white person, there are many traditionally Muslim groups they would excluding. Not to mention isolating any white converts who may have married into POC Muslim groups and many be serious about their adopted religion.

I commented below but I read that and ugh its even worse.

I'm really weirded out by Andy's view of Muslim clergy. Not just the "too delicate to talk to white men" but also that an American Muslim clergy member would not be aware of GoT?

I mean Williamsburg has a big university I assume most clergy in the area would do outreach to students and at least be aware of pop culture, even if they don't watch it themselves.

This is some weird view of American Muslims that they're these pure babes and totally unaware of the culture they might have spent the whole/majority of their lives in. It's infantalizing to American Muslims.

He seems to treat them like noble savages.

DA
I don't get why he doesn't treat them as normal people. Which they are. It's like he thinks you need a different level of respect for different races and religions, instead of just respecting them all.

He's acting like American Muslims are totally isolated/separated from American culture and it's really bizarre and othering.

It may not be about Muslims, just be his need to be unique. If everyone knows about a TV show, then it's not particularly exciting or romantic. It has to be some weird, obscure thing.

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