continued Thatfucker discussion

[anonniemouse]

Since we've been kicked off FFA for the week, please feel free to continue the anon discussion here. Apologies if this is a big flop - I've never made a DW community before!

The rules are vaguely the same as they are over on FFA. Please refrain from being too much of an asshole, making personal attacks, posting identifying information or engaging in transfail.

ETA: If there's information you'd like to see archived (journal/blog posts related to Andy, etc.), please dump it here and link to it from the main post for discussing.

Comments

(frozen comment) Re: Andy is offended by potato famine jokes, but WWII jokes are totally hilarious!

[(Anonymous)]

hahahahahahahahaaaaaaa omg spoken like a true holocaust apologist

(frozen comment) Re: Andy is offended by potato famine jokes, but WWII jokes are totally hilarious!

[(Anonymous)]

NA

Lmao, it's not holocaust apologism to say that Soviets committed war crimes during WWII (which, you know, is a documented fact). You don't have to deny holocaust in order to acknowledge that the allies did shitty stuff too. Or is talking about Hiroshima holocaust apologism as well?

(frozen comment) Re: Andy is offended by potato famine jokes, but WWII jokes are totally hilarious!

[(Anonymous)]

NA Fuck off back to tumblr with your black and white thinking.

(frozen comment) Re: Andy is offended by potato famine jokes, but WWII jokes are totally hilarious!

[(Anonymous)]

While the Holocaust was a horrific part of WWII, the war itself was never fought because of the Holocaust. More specifically, the Allies did not fight with stopping the Holocaust as their motivation, and in fact are often criticized for failing to take basic measures that would have made the Holocaust more difficult to carry out.

I am not an apologist for the Axis powers or the Nazis. That said, it's important to acknowledge that "our side" -- "the good guys" -- did things that would absolutely be considered war crimes today, like intentionally fire bombing civilians in Germany and Japan. Germany did this too, to be clear, but the Americans and British killed more than 10 times the number of people this way. Then there's Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as another poster mentioned. And, of course, the hundreds of thousands of rapes carried out by Soviet forces, with women and children as the primary victims.

War is ugly. We have a tendency to valorize what went on in WWII, or to hyperfocus on the positive elements of it, to the degree that many people don't even know the true extent of what went on.

I'm glad the Allies won the war. That does not mean I am willing to stick my head in the sand and pretend Allied war crimes never occurred.

(frozen comment) Re: Andy is offended by potato famine jokes, but WWII jokes are totally hilarious! - MODS

[(Anonymous)]

In retrospect, this subject isn't related the purpose of this community - mods, maybe freeze it?

(frozen comment) Re: Andy is offended by potato famine jokes, but WWII jokes are totally hilarious! - MODS

[anonymod]

Agreed, anon - sorry I didn't freeze this sooner folks, for some reason I thought this thread was in Gloves Off to begin with!

This relevant subthread has been frozen; if anyone feels really passionate about discussing WWII/the Holocaust in this community please go here: http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/1245.html?thread=740317#cmt740317