continued Thatfucker discussion

[anonniemouse]

Since we've been kicked off FFA for the week, please feel free to continue the anon discussion here. Apologies if this is a big flop - I've never made a DW community before!

The rules are vaguely the same as they are over on FFA. Please refrain from being too much of an asshole, making personal attacks, posting identifying information or engaging in transfail.

ETA: If there's information you'd like to see archived (journal/blog posts related to Andy, etc.), please dump it here and link to it from the main post for discussing.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for sharing all of that.

Turimel's message is way OTT and inappropriate in so many ways, but she's right that trying to put Abbey and Diamond back in touch with Andy and get them to forgive him would be the worst idea ever. The message from "Anne", though? Really sounds like Andy himself. I need to go look for their comments at FW, but in the meantime:

everyone has proven to be wrong about everyone else, including things as seemingly basic as your belief that A. was in it for the money and celebrities.

Turi is way off-base about a lot of things with Andy, but Abbey and Diamond were not wrong about him at all. And Andy used to really play up the fact that Turimel said he was using people to get money and celebrity attention; it was a useful smoke screen for his real motives.

However, while I'd like nothing more than to continue the collective healing, I have no intention of propigating wank or feeding anyone to the pitchfork mob.

"Anne" is inserting herself into an emotional situation that has nothing to do with her, by going straight to one of the key players. That is such an Andy thing to do. The "pitchfork mob" is also a metaphor of which he is very fond.

Do you, Abbey, or Cherie have any interest whatsoever in actually hearing from this person and trying to resolve anything with them, or would it entirely be "come here so we can eat you"?

This sets up not only Turimel, but Abbey and Diamond, as "bad guys" who are victimizing Andy and present a threat to him. Wow.

Would you be willing to respect their expressed gender identity?

All this "their" business is confusing, coming from a professed "gender studies psych specialist". Andy has identified as male for years.

Would you be willing to have at least the initial phases of the conversation in private and keep them private until/unless permission was granted to release them, or would every bit of everything have to be open to the public?

Not that it's unreasonable to ask for a level of privacy, but this puts Andy in control of the conversation. It gives him sole power to determine what (if anything) the rest of the world hears about it. It once again implies that he is a victim and needs to be protected, completely ignoring that he was Abbey and Diamond's abuser.

I think it's equally obvious that they need serious psychiatric help and that there are flickers of talent and even good in among all the disaster.

This was about the time that Andy was starting to circulate the "Severe Gender Disphoria leading to Dissociative Identity Disorder possibly comorbid with Borderline Personality Disorder on select aspects" claim. And of course this concerned "mental health professional" feels the need to say that he's talented and a good person despite all the lies and abuse, because that's totally what's important.

My hope is that if things could be resolved with you as they are being resolved with Abbey, I might be able to talk them into the idea that it is safe to step away from the layers of lies and get help. And then the danger that they do pose could be actually neutralized rather than helplessly shouted about. Obviously, though, the choice is yours. I await your reply.

If there was any doubt in my mind that "Anne" was Andy, this killed it. These last few sentences put the entire responsibility for "fixing" Andy on Turimel! They imply that the only way for him to "get better" (and thus, for the threat to vulnerable people to be neutralized) is for his victims to forgive him for everything. And if Turimel decides not to give them the "opportunity" to do so, whatever Andy does in the future is her fault! This is kind of amazing.

Also, lol at the Oirish pseudonym. Wow.

TB