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In response to other anon calling your post manipulative, I (as another human who likes you and thinks you're p cool) believe that it was an explanation that opens the way for forgiveness, though not forgetfulness. I'm aware of some of the things you've done now to an extent, and I am using that awareness in knowing you. But I am not condemning you for something that's in past, when you're so obviously trying to move away from it. Grounds for forgiveness, but staying aware, if that makes sense.
Anonymous
The forgiveness I’m grateful for, but really it was mostly about awareness. I want people to be able to recognize that shit in themselves and others and keep an eye out for it in me. I also think that it’s more helpful to understand where that kind of shit can come from because while “He’s EEEEEeeeEEEEVIL and just does it for the BWAHAHAHA of it!” can make you feel very safe and superior…it can also put you in a lot of danger because it makes you feel safe and superior.
I believed all that. To the bottom of my soul. I literally put my life on the line for it more than once. People who had been warned that I was a “con man” or “scam artist” or “liar” or “serial abuser” wound up in awful, fucked-up relationships with me because they looked into my eyes and knew that I loved them and only wanted the best for them and to help them and that I was letting them in on deeply personal secrets about Great Truths and real world magical superpowers that gave them a chance to literally live part of their favorite fantasy worlds…and that I meant every fucking word with utter sincerity signed in blood with my heart on my sleeve. They wound up hurt because they were warned about the wrong thing.
They didn’t need to be told “he’s a monster who will cut you and throw salt on you and set you on fire to get his kicks,” because they could see for themselves I wasn’t that kind of person, so the warning got discarded. They needed to be told “he believes in monsters and doesn’t understand SPN isn’t real, and will think he’s saving you when he suddenly hallucinates your eyes going black; don’t wind up reliving 5.02.”
They were told about a wolf. They had their checklists and field guides and were watching for a wolf. They got bit by a rabid Yorkie because they’d been given the wrong descriptions.
I am not saying “I didn’t do the bad thing.” I’m saying I didn’t do THAT bad thing and that if you want to protect yourself and others from not only me but any mentally ill person with delusional beliefs, THIS is the bad thing you need to watch out for.
Anonymous
The forgiveness I’m grateful for, but really it was mostly about awareness. I want people to be able to recognize that shit in themselves and others and keep an eye out for it in me. I also think that it’s more helpful to understand where that kind of shit can come from because while “He’s EEEEEeeeEEEEVIL and just does it for the BWAHAHAHA of it!” can make you feel very safe and superior…it can also put you in a lot of danger because it makes you feel safe and superior.
I believed all that. To the bottom of my soul. I literally put my life on the line for it more than once. People who had been warned that I was a “con man” or “scam artist” or “liar” or “serial abuser” wound up in awful, fucked-up relationships with me because they looked into my eyes and knew that I loved them and only wanted the best for them and to help them and that I was letting them in on deeply personal secrets about Great Truths and real world magical superpowers that gave them a chance to literally live part of their favorite fantasy worlds…and that I meant every fucking word with utter sincerity signed in blood with my heart on my sleeve. They wound up hurt because they were warned about the wrong thing.
They didn’t need to be told “he’s a monster who will cut you and throw salt on you and set you on fire to get his kicks,” because they could see for themselves I wasn’t that kind of person, so the warning got discarded. They needed to be told “he believes in monsters and doesn’t understand SPN isn’t real, and will think he’s saving you when he suddenly hallucinates your eyes going black; don’t wind up reliving 5.02.”
They were told about a wolf. They had their checklists and field guides and were watching for a wolf. They got bit by a rabid Yorkie because they’d been given the wrong descriptions.
I am not saying “I didn’t do the bad thing.” I’m saying I didn’t do THAT bad thing and that if you want to protect yourself and others from not only me but any mentally ill person with delusional beliefs, THIS is the bad thing you need to watch out for.
What was that bit about Osric Chau pinning you down??
Anonymous
Osric was kind of in career counselor mode at con. I was giving away pieces of cosplay that I didn’t want to transport home, and at the end of the karaoke party, he was hanging out talking to a bunch of fans, so I wanted to offer him my Edward Scissorhands gloves for possible future cosplay, as I’d noted at our photo op that we were the same size.
As I was waiting to not interrupt, I mentioned my URL, and Os recognized it. He asked why I didn’t pursue tv writing or other professional writing, and there was something so earnest and I was so exhausted I didn’t give my usual excuse about career stability. I confessed that I had a history of mental illness and had done things I was ashamed of, and it was hard enough having a semi-popular blog and watching distorted versions and rumors about my lowest moments spread; if I got any legit attention as a writer, fandom would make sure all the things I’m ashamed of and try to hide mixed in with bullshit and private things would become better known than anything I might ever accomplish, and I couldn’t handle it.
And he pushed me, not physically, but verbally. Lectured me for a solid five minutes about owning my past, how I was so afraid of shit ending my career I’d already let it end my career, ignoring the parts that weren’t true and taking responsibility without being ashamed of the ones that were, etc.
He didn’t leave it there, either. It was a small con, and he was all over the place, and I also had about a 20 minute wait while he was setting up at the autograph table because I had a difficult to sign item he wanted to give extra attention. Every time, he kept at it, not letting me brush it off or let it go (he even gave me tips on getting a literary agent or getting into tv writing) and it got to me. And it got to me, especially combined with some other people I met.
So I’m going to deal with the actual issues - not the wank bullshit - and try to take some other steps in my life as well. And give Osric the biggest thank you ever at my next con.
Anonymous
Osric was kind of in career counselor mode at con. I was giving away pieces of cosplay that I didn’t want to transport home, and at the end of the karaoke party, he was hanging out talking to a bunch of fans, so I wanted to offer him my Edward Scissorhands gloves for possible future cosplay, as I’d noted at our photo op that we were the same size.
As I was waiting to not interrupt, I mentioned my URL, and Os recognized it. He asked why I didn’t pursue tv writing or other professional writing, and there was something so earnest and I was so exhausted I didn’t give my usual excuse about career stability. I confessed that I had a history of mental illness and had done things I was ashamed of, and it was hard enough having a semi-popular blog and watching distorted versions and rumors about my lowest moments spread; if I got any legit attention as a writer, fandom would make sure all the things I’m ashamed of and try to hide mixed in with bullshit and private things would become better known than anything I might ever accomplish, and I couldn’t handle it.
And he pushed me, not physically, but verbally. Lectured me for a solid five minutes about owning my past, how I was so afraid of shit ending my career I’d already let it end my career, ignoring the parts that weren’t true and taking responsibility without being ashamed of the ones that were, etc.
He didn’t leave it there, either. It was a small con, and he was all over the place, and I also had about a 20 minute wait while he was setting up at the autograph table because I had a difficult to sign item he wanted to give extra attention. Every time, he kept at it, not letting me brush it off or let it go (he even gave me tips on getting a literary agent or getting into tv writing) and it got to me. And it got to me, especially combined with some other people I met.
So I’m going to deal with the actual issues - not the wank bullshit - and try to take some other steps in my life as well. And give Osric the biggest thank you ever at my next con.
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/29543139442/reblog-if-you-truly-enjoy-giving-oral-sex
Reblog if you truly enjoy giving oral sex.
>It’s so fun!
*insert many many euphemisms for performing enthusiastic cunnilingus here*
My record is still causing one woman 54 distinct orgasms in a six hour marathon session before she called it off. I am very proud of this. Even if my jaw and tongue ached for the better part of the following week.
Reblog if you truly enjoy giving oral sex.
>It’s so fun!
*insert many many euphemisms for performing enthusiastic cunnilingus here*
My record is still causing one woman 54 distinct orgasms in a six hour marathon session before she called it off. I am very proud of this. Even if my jaw and tongue ached for the better part of the following week.
As an actual Irish person, I am sick to death of Andy appropriating our culture and using "Oirishness" to excuse his sickening antics. Time to set the record straight.
And before I get jumped on for "invading his privacy", I'd ask you to take a look at this post, where he reveals his parents full names, their address and their phone number, among other things, in the name of "transparency":
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/52736874907/as-a-matter-of-curiosity-with-that-number-it-took-me
So, with that said...
Andy's grandparents are supposedly from Belfast City and County Antrim. Please note this is from only four month ago:
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/79937383968/where-in-ireland-do-your-grandparents-hail-from-my
Andy claims to be "very proudly 100% Irish-American. No, I wasn’t born in Ireland, but every drop of my blood originated there on both sides, and the monsters of Sluagh were my childhood nightmares learned at my grandfather’s knee."
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/79918719857/shouldnt-your-blog-be-flooded-in-self-congratulatory
Andy "been to Ireland, my family is from Ireland, my heritage and ethnicity are fully Irish, but I was born and raised in the US with my young childhood primarily spent with my Irish grandfather. I’m Irish by ethnicity, American by nationality, and both by culture."
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/55439062495/oh-are-you-not-actually-irish-then-i-know-youre
Andy explains why appropriating Irish culture is wrong (ha!) and explains that his personal offense taken at "potato famine" jokes is comparable to Jewish offense taken in response to Holocaust jokes (as an Irish person, again, fuck you, Andy, on so many levels):
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/79921813576/freackthehopefull-replied-to-your-post
And to top it all off, he speaks "Gaelic" (along with French, Spanish, Classical Greek, and Latin).
*I want to note here that most Irish people typically just call our language Irish when speaking English. There are many dialects of "Gaelic" and that word in isolation is a sore point with a lot of people:
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/26741450761/books-covers-and-judging-them-not-lest-ye-be
Right.
Kumquatwriter expands upon Andy's dubious claims:
http://kumquatwriter.tumblr.com/post/56152352566/first-of-all-i-love-your-blog-i-dont-know-you-but
"I really don’t know, but it’s been there for a long time. I didn’t get to meet Andy’s Grandparents, although I did spent a fair bit with his parents in the same house. I can tell you there’s a lot more Oirishness in my fourth-or-more generation Irish house, but I believe he claims his Mother was desperate to fit in, so of COURSE there wouldn’t be anything. And as the Creationists say, absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence, right? Totally airtight.
I do know that Andy has never lived in Ireland. Further, in some tellings it’s his father who was IRA/on the run, in others, it’s his (maternal) Grandfather. I say with 100% certainty that his Father had no connections. Given that the rest of his on-the-run-from-the-IRA routine can be easily, factually disproven, I’m willing to say the Grandfather probably didn’t raise him to be a proper Irish soldier etc etc etc.
Andy has never had anything but an American/Virginian accent unless he was affecting it. Previously he has claimed assorted accents from England (and I’ll give him credit; they’re regionally varied fairly accurately), Ireland, Scotland, German and many variants of American (Southern, New England, Midwest). As I think about it, I suspect Andy might use the Irish accent often because he is good at blarney and busking (sweet-talking and classy begging) and because it’s especially charming to so many sheltered American women. In fact, isn’t any accent that’s different from your own attractive in someone you’re attracted to?"
Well, we can say for sure Andy's maternal grandfather (the one who lived with the family in Williamsburg, having lost his wife) wasn't in the IRA. Neither was he born in Ireland, unless the family members who wrote his obituary are lying through their teeth:
http://www.bucktroutfuneralhome.net/memsol.cgi?user_id=612815
Yep, it's him. He is survived by his only child, (Andy's mother's name; compare to first post linked) and her husband (Andy's fathers's name; compare to first post linked) of (Andy's home town); their two children, Andrew Blake...".
More importantly, regarding Andy's maternal grandfather:
"He was born in Missouri Valley, IA on December 28, 1918."
"He was preceded in death by his parents (names readable at the link; note the Scandinavian surname of his great-grandmother and the English surname of his great-grandfather) of Missouri Valley, IA."
So, Andy's grandfather wasn't Irish, and his grandfather's parents lived in IA. Maybe they were born in Ireland, though?
Nope:
(Please note that you won't find Andy's grandfather listed as their child due to the grave records not being updated, but the names of his parents, his mother's maiden name, his sibling, and their location all match):
Great-grandmother:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=98473212
Birth: 1876, Pottawattamie County, Iowa, USA
Again, note the Scandinavian surname.
Great-grandfather:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=98473210
Birth: May 27, 1873, Lucas County, Iowa, USA
Note the English surname.
As for Andy's maternal grandmother:
http://bt.mourlamstudios.com/index.php/obituaries/view/james_thomas_captain_jim%20_mcgovern/P100
(This page hard to navigate and doesn't mention Andy, but mentions family members. The obituary is buried in text so to find it, you'll have to do a name search).
"Born in Canada, she was raised in Missouri Valley, Iowa."
Not Irish either. What about HER parents? Her father has an English surname and her mother has a French surname. She was probably at least half French-Canadian, seeing as she was born in Canada. Again, not Irish.
It's also worth mentioning that neither of Andy's maternal grandparents appear to be Catholic, which would be kind of important to the IRA. At the very least, they didn't attend a Catholic Church, have funeral masses, or arrange to buried in a Catholic cemetery. If anything, they sound like Southern Protestants.
This makes it very unlike Andy's mother hid her Irishness because she was "desperate to fit in".
What of his paternal grandparents, then? Andy does mention baking Irish soda bread with his paternal grandmother (though you don't have to be Irish to enjoy Irish soda bread, of course!):
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/79922849950/master-recipe-irish-soda-bread
Andy's paternal grandmother has also passed on:
http://articles.dailypress.com/2005-04-12/news/0504120097_1_hospice-house-williamsburg-rebecca-wheeler
Finally, evidence some Irish. She actually has an Irish maiden name, and appears to have been Catholic. That said, it's very unlikely she was born in Ireland, because her mother (Andy's great-grandmother) had a Portuguese/Galician surname, and melting pot marriages like that are far more likely to occur in America. Both her parents are described as being "of California". Perhaps her father, Andy's great-grandfather, was born in Ireland and immigrated. I'll grant him that possibility.
Finally, Andy's paternal grandfather:
http://articles.dailypress.com/1989-04-12/news/8904120147_1_hampton-institute-peninsula-resident-eucharistic-minister/3
He has an English surname, but Andy's paternal grandfather DOES appear to Catholic, and had a wake. I can find no information on where he was born nor anything about his parents. I suppose it's possible he was born in Ireland. Unlikely, but possible.
That said, it's notable that Andy's paternal grandfather passed away in 1989 in Washington, when Andy would have been around five year-old. It's very unlikely Andy "grew up with him", considering the obituary states Andy's father was living Yorktown, Virginia at the time. Andy would certainly not have been a "caretaker" for this grandparent.
What does this prove?
Well, that Andy's claim that he picked up an Irish accent by caring for grandfather is bunk, for one:
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/79460997882/lmao-what-happened-to-that-precious-oirish-accent-from
His paternal grandfather (ironically, the Catholic one we can't prove wasn't born in Ireland) died in 1989. Andy's maternal grandfather, who passed away in 2012, was born to American parents, who were born on American soil themselves. The man would NOT have had an Irish accent. Abbey also specifies that it was his maternal grandfather who lived with the family.
Summarized: I am not convinced Andy has any Irish ancestry at all on his mother's side. His maternal grandmother appears to have had French Canadian and English heritage. His maternal grandfather appears to have had Scandinavian and English heritage. Both grandparents were born in the United States. At the very least, there is no recent Irish ancestry. NEITHER of them were born in Belfast City or Co. Antrim.
On his father's side, Andy's paternal grandmother appears to have Irish and Latin ancestry, and was almost certainly born in the United States to parents "of California". His paternal grandfather had an English surname and indeterminate ancestry, so I guess it's possible that the man was born in Ireland to two Irish parents. I doubt it, though. A ton Northern Ireland census and record searches turned up zero records of anyone with the surname Player during the appropriate time period.
So why lie?
For all the talk of his narcissism, Andy is very self-loathing. He's not comfortable in his own skin, and he's not comfortable with his actual identity. He'd rather lose himself in stories and become someone braver, stronger, and more interesting than he is. Andy is what happens when a guy plays "Indian Princess". We've all known a few of those in our time, yes? Only in Andy's case, he's an Irish Warrior. He's lost face with the warrior bit, but he really is Irish you guys, he swears!
Andy's a lying liar who lies, news at 11.
And before I get jumped on for "invading his privacy", I'd ask you to take a look at this post, where he reveals his parents full names, their address and their phone number, among other things, in the name of "transparency":
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/52736874907/as-a-matter-of-curiosity-with-that-number-it-took-me
So, with that said...
Andy's grandparents are supposedly from Belfast City and County Antrim. Please note this is from only four month ago:
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/79937383968/where-in-ireland-do-your-grandparents-hail-from-my
Andy claims to be "very proudly 100% Irish-American. No, I wasn’t born in Ireland, but every drop of my blood originated there on both sides, and the monsters of Sluagh were my childhood nightmares learned at my grandfather’s knee."
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/79918719857/shouldnt-your-blog-be-flooded-in-self-congratulatory
Andy "been to Ireland, my family is from Ireland, my heritage and ethnicity are fully Irish, but I was born and raised in the US with my young childhood primarily spent with my Irish grandfather. I’m Irish by ethnicity, American by nationality, and both by culture."
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/55439062495/oh-are-you-not-actually-irish-then-i-know-youre
Andy explains why appropriating Irish culture is wrong (ha!) and explains that his personal offense taken at "potato famine" jokes is comparable to Jewish offense taken in response to Holocaust jokes (as an Irish person, again, fuck you, Andy, on so many levels):
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/79921813576/freackthehopefull-replied-to-your-post
And to top it all off, he speaks "Gaelic" (along with French, Spanish, Classical Greek, and Latin).
*I want to note here that most Irish people typically just call our language Irish when speaking English. There are many dialects of "Gaelic" and that word in isolation is a sore point with a lot of people:
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/26741450761/books-covers-and-judging-them-not-lest-ye-be
Right.
Kumquatwriter expands upon Andy's dubious claims:
http://kumquatwriter.tumblr.com/post/56152352566/first-of-all-i-love-your-blog-i-dont-know-you-but
"I really don’t know, but it’s been there for a long time. I didn’t get to meet Andy’s Grandparents, although I did spent a fair bit with his parents in the same house. I can tell you there’s a lot more Oirishness in my fourth-or-more generation Irish house, but I believe he claims his Mother was desperate to fit in, so of COURSE there wouldn’t be anything. And as the Creationists say, absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence, right? Totally airtight.
I do know that Andy has never lived in Ireland. Further, in some tellings it’s his father who was IRA/on the run, in others, it’s his (maternal) Grandfather. I say with 100% certainty that his Father had no connections. Given that the rest of his on-the-run-from-the-IRA routine can be easily, factually disproven, I’m willing to say the Grandfather probably didn’t raise him to be a proper Irish soldier etc etc etc.
Andy has never had anything but an American/Virginian accent unless he was affecting it. Previously he has claimed assorted accents from England (and I’ll give him credit; they’re regionally varied fairly accurately), Ireland, Scotland, German and many variants of American (Southern, New England, Midwest). As I think about it, I suspect Andy might use the Irish accent often because he is good at blarney and busking (sweet-talking and classy begging) and because it’s especially charming to so many sheltered American women. In fact, isn’t any accent that’s different from your own attractive in someone you’re attracted to?"
Well, we can say for sure Andy's maternal grandfather (the one who lived with the family in Williamsburg, having lost his wife) wasn't in the IRA. Neither was he born in Ireland, unless the family members who wrote his obituary are lying through their teeth:
http://www.bucktroutfuneralhome.net/memsol.cgi?user_id=612815
Yep, it's him. He is survived by his only child, (Andy's mother's name; compare to first post linked) and her husband (Andy's fathers's name; compare to first post linked) of (Andy's home town); their two children, Andrew Blake...".
More importantly, regarding Andy's maternal grandfather:
"He was born in Missouri Valley, IA on December 28, 1918."
"He was preceded in death by his parents (names readable at the link; note the Scandinavian surname of his great-grandmother and the English surname of his great-grandfather) of Missouri Valley, IA."
So, Andy's grandfather wasn't Irish, and his grandfather's parents lived in IA. Maybe they were born in Ireland, though?
Nope:
(Please note that you won't find Andy's grandfather listed as their child due to the grave records not being updated, but the names of his parents, his mother's maiden name, his sibling, and their location all match):
Great-grandmother:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=98473212
Birth: 1876, Pottawattamie County, Iowa, USA
Again, note the Scandinavian surname.
Great-grandfather:
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=98473210
Birth: May 27, 1873, Lucas County, Iowa, USA
Note the English surname.
As for Andy's maternal grandmother:
http://bt.mourlamstudios.com/index.php/obituaries/view/james_thomas_captain_jim%20_mcgovern/P100
(This page hard to navigate and doesn't mention Andy, but mentions family members. The obituary is buried in text so to find it, you'll have to do a name search).
"Born in Canada, she was raised in Missouri Valley, Iowa."
Not Irish either. What about HER parents? Her father has an English surname and her mother has a French surname. She was probably at least half French-Canadian, seeing as she was born in Canada. Again, not Irish.
It's also worth mentioning that neither of Andy's maternal grandparents appear to be Catholic, which would be kind of important to the IRA. At the very least, they didn't attend a Catholic Church, have funeral masses, or arrange to buried in a Catholic cemetery. If anything, they sound like Southern Protestants.
This makes it very unlike Andy's mother hid her Irishness because she was "desperate to fit in".
What of his paternal grandparents, then? Andy does mention baking Irish soda bread with his paternal grandmother (though you don't have to be Irish to enjoy Irish soda bread, of course!):
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/79922849950/master-recipe-irish-soda-bread
Andy's paternal grandmother has also passed on:
http://articles.dailypress.com/2005-04-12/news/0504120097_1_hospice-house-williamsburg-rebecca-wheeler
Finally, evidence some Irish. She actually has an Irish maiden name, and appears to have been Catholic. That said, it's very unlikely she was born in Ireland, because her mother (Andy's great-grandmother) had a Portuguese/Galician surname, and melting pot marriages like that are far more likely to occur in America. Both her parents are described as being "of California". Perhaps her father, Andy's great-grandfather, was born in Ireland and immigrated. I'll grant him that possibility.
Finally, Andy's paternal grandfather:
http://articles.dailypress.com/1989-04-12/news/8904120147_1_hampton-institute-peninsula-resident-eucharistic-minister/3
He has an English surname, but Andy's paternal grandfather DOES appear to Catholic, and had a wake. I can find no information on where he was born nor anything about his parents. I suppose it's possible he was born in Ireland. Unlikely, but possible.
That said, it's notable that Andy's paternal grandfather passed away in 1989 in Washington, when Andy would have been around five year-old. It's very unlikely Andy "grew up with him", considering the obituary states Andy's father was living Yorktown, Virginia at the time. Andy would certainly not have been a "caretaker" for this grandparent.
What does this prove?
Well, that Andy's claim that he picked up an Irish accent by caring for grandfather is bunk, for one:
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/79460997882/lmao-what-happened-to-that-precious-oirish-accent-from
His paternal grandfather (ironically, the Catholic one we can't prove wasn't born in Ireland) died in 1989. Andy's maternal grandfather, who passed away in 2012, was born to American parents, who were born on American soil themselves. The man would NOT have had an Irish accent. Abbey also specifies that it was his maternal grandfather who lived with the family.
Summarized: I am not convinced Andy has any Irish ancestry at all on his mother's side. His maternal grandmother appears to have had French Canadian and English heritage. His maternal grandfather appears to have had Scandinavian and English heritage. Both grandparents were born in the United States. At the very least, there is no recent Irish ancestry. NEITHER of them were born in Belfast City or Co. Antrim.
On his father's side, Andy's paternal grandmother appears to have Irish and Latin ancestry, and was almost certainly born in the United States to parents "of California". His paternal grandfather had an English surname and indeterminate ancestry, so I guess it's possible that the man was born in Ireland to two Irish parents. I doubt it, though. A ton Northern Ireland census and record searches turned up zero records of anyone with the surname Player during the appropriate time period.
So why lie?
For all the talk of his narcissism, Andy is very self-loathing. He's not comfortable in his own skin, and he's not comfortable with his actual identity. He'd rather lose himself in stories and become someone braver, stronger, and more interesting than he is. Andy is what happens when a guy plays "Indian Princess". We've all known a few of those in our time, yes? Only in Andy's case, he's an Irish Warrior. He's lost face with the warrior bit, but he really is Irish you guys, he swears!
Andy's a lying liar who lies, news at 11.
I know who this person is, but out of respect for them they'll be anonymous for this post. I will say their "transgression" against Andy wasn't even something they did. A family member of theirs threw away items that belonged to Andy after he left them at their house for months. This was not done maliciously.
I've not reposted Andy's responses below (save one) because I want the focus to be on the devastation Andy leaves in his wake.
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31907547024/do-you-ever-wish-that-you-were-as-truly-alone-as
do you ever wish that you were as truly alone as you felt so that you could just let yourself go, and not worry about all the crap you were leaving behind for the rest of the world to deal with because you were too much of a coward to handle it yourself?
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31908511041/it-doesnt-feel-like-i-am-surviving-it-feels-like
It doesn't feel like I am surviving. It feels like it would only take one more thing to finish the job. I hate putting this on you. I'm sorry. But I don't have anyone. And it's nice to just have someone talk back. Even if they have no idea who I am or what I am dealing with.
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31909135725/ah-and-there-it-is-thats-the-thing-i-really
Ah! And there it is. That's the thing, I really can't go to anyone. I shouldn't even be talking to you. It's not right or fair to put these things on other people. Even less so to be putting it on you. I know what has been going on for you lately and it is selfish of me to put this on top of it.
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31909573329/love-and-pain-such-fickle-things-i-tried-to
Love and pain. Such fickle things. I tried to love. I tried so hard. And all I did was cause pain. Now I have lost the most precious thing in my life and I can never get it back.
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31910341625/i-dont-want-to-get-there-i-dont-want-to-live-my
I don't want to get there. I don't want to live my life without them. I don't want to live my life knowing that I could have stopped this pain from being forced on them. There is no way to fix it. I know this. I can't help them. I can't make things better. Is is selfish to wish we could be broken together?
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31910541651/i-wont-be-able-to-forgive-myself-until-they
I wont be able to forgive myself until they forgive me. And I will NEVER do anything to cause them any more pain. Which is why, no matter how many times I think it would be best to just go, I can't do that. I know that it would cause them guilt. They would think they could have saved me and failed. So for them, I will stay. Even if they never know my sacrifice.
And Andy's response:
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31910891104/my-apologies-guys
My apologies, guys
I just found out who the Anon I’ve been corresponding with was. It’s someone that I had asked not to contact me again for reasons of won’t-take-no-for-an-answer and betrayal/lying and who I had banned from all my social media. I know for a fact they have several other people they can go to had they felt genuinely suicidal and they are very familiar with helplines and such, but they were using the fact that I will always respond to an Anon in trouble to get me to “just talk to them” “just one more time.” Yes, I’ve told them how VERY FUCKING NO that is, and how far it shoves them down the list of people I want to talk to.
I am leaving the posts there because my advice still holds true to all those who DO need it, but I’m sorry for accidentally mixing you up in creeper drama.
And NO, this does not change the accuracy of anything I said, and NO, this does not change my policies on posting my phone number or answering anyone. I would rather be taken advantage of a million times than miss one.
Now, Andy absolutely has the right to set boundaries and remove people from his life if he wants. However, if you want evidence that Andy targets emotionally vulnerable people and gains their utter devotion, here you go. This person didn't even want to live after Andy Blake cut them out of his life.
Further discussion can take place in the main post, so we don't clutter up The Pit.
I've not reposted Andy's responses below (save one) because I want the focus to be on the devastation Andy leaves in his wake.
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31907547024/do-you-ever-wish-that-you-were-as-truly-alone-as
do you ever wish that you were as truly alone as you felt so that you could just let yourself go, and not worry about all the crap you were leaving behind for the rest of the world to deal with because you were too much of a coward to handle it yourself?
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31908511041/it-doesnt-feel-like-i-am-surviving-it-feels-like
It doesn't feel like I am surviving. It feels like it would only take one more thing to finish the job. I hate putting this on you. I'm sorry. But I don't have anyone. And it's nice to just have someone talk back. Even if they have no idea who I am or what I am dealing with.
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31909135725/ah-and-there-it-is-thats-the-thing-i-really
Ah! And there it is. That's the thing, I really can't go to anyone. I shouldn't even be talking to you. It's not right or fair to put these things on other people. Even less so to be putting it on you. I know what has been going on for you lately and it is selfish of me to put this on top of it.
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31909573329/love-and-pain-such-fickle-things-i-tried-to
Love and pain. Such fickle things. I tried to love. I tried so hard. And all I did was cause pain. Now I have lost the most precious thing in my life and I can never get it back.
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31910341625/i-dont-want-to-get-there-i-dont-want-to-live-my
I don't want to get there. I don't want to live my life without them. I don't want to live my life knowing that I could have stopped this pain from being forced on them. There is no way to fix it. I know this. I can't help them. I can't make things better. Is is selfish to wish we could be broken together?
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31910541651/i-wont-be-able-to-forgive-myself-until-they
I wont be able to forgive myself until they forgive me. And I will NEVER do anything to cause them any more pain. Which is why, no matter how many times I think it would be best to just go, I can't do that. I know that it would cause them guilt. They would think they could have saved me and failed. So for them, I will stay. Even if they never know my sacrifice.
And Andy's response:
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/31910891104/my-apologies-guys
My apologies, guys
I just found out who the Anon I’ve been corresponding with was. It’s someone that I had asked not to contact me again for reasons of won’t-take-no-for-an-answer and betrayal/lying and who I had banned from all my social media. I know for a fact they have several other people they can go to had they felt genuinely suicidal and they are very familiar with helplines and such, but they were using the fact that I will always respond to an Anon in trouble to get me to “just talk to them” “just one more time.” Yes, I’ve told them how VERY FUCKING NO that is, and how far it shoves them down the list of people I want to talk to.
I am leaving the posts there because my advice still holds true to all those who DO need it, but I’m sorry for accidentally mixing you up in creeper drama.
And NO, this does not change the accuracy of anything I said, and NO, this does not change my policies on posting my phone number or answering anyone. I would rather be taken advantage of a million times than miss one.
Now, Andy absolutely has the right to set boundaries and remove people from his life if he wants. However, if you want evidence that Andy targets emotionally vulnerable people and gains their utter devotion, here you go. This person didn't even want to live after Andy Blake cut them out of his life.
Further discussion can take place in the main post, so we don't clutter up The Pit.
For posterity. Some kudos and unanswered questions have been removed for brevity's sake.
http://winjennster.tumblr.com/tagged/that-andy-thing
who is andy and why are you no longer friends?
Who is andy? Are you fucking serious?
I’m going to assume you’re genuinely unsure of who he is, but I encourage you to google Andythanfiction and Andrew Blake.
Reasons we are no longer friends -
1. GISHWHES
2. DC CON
3. Megan (topographical-curves) or rather, not Megan per say, but his treatment of Megan.
4. Lies
5. Manipulation
Why do you think Aja left out nearly all of the info you gave her? Seems like you'd be a good source for people wondering about his behavior more recently; why would she choose not to include that?
I feel like she basically reported what he wanted reported, or she found what I had to say of little consequence in light of the GIANT DRAMA in his past. I don’t know. I don’t really wish to have contact with her at this point. I feel dirty and used were Aja is concerned.
What led to you being friends with Andy in the first place? When did you start to become leery of him?
Ok let’s file this under Jenn is dumb moments.
I met him in December of 2012. I had on an SPN shirt and we starting talking about the fandom. First time we hung out was about a week later and he spent the later half of the day telling me everything about Brittany. I went home that night and looked him up.
My brain said HEY THIS GUY IS TROUBLE WALK AWAY. But, my husband was in Afghanistan and I was stupid lonely, so I chalked it up to PEOPLE CAN CHANGE. So, to be honest, leery right from the start. Too dumb (translation: too fucking lonely) to do anything about it.
You told me at DCCon the friendship was over, but didn't want to say why then and I wasn't going to push if you didn't want to elaborate. If you are in the mood now can you tell me what happened? (No worries if you don't)
The biggest reason I can’t elaborate on because of Megan. It’s not my thing to share. But my biggest issues with him at DC Con was how rude he was to so many people, and how they kept coming up to me and telling me, which made me feel terrible. A very prominent SPN fanartist (and a friend) was sitting near him. He left his phone on a chair and she, wanting to do the right thing, returned it to him. He barked at her that he knew exactly where it was and basically, not to touch his stuff. (I want to put her name here, but I don’t know if she would appreciate that. But she is a VERY well known artist in this fandom.)
I didn’t appreciate the way he took over our room and left everything he owned spread all over. Yes, that’s fairly minor, but it’s gross. Four people in the room and he’s the only one that can’t clean up after himself.
I was entirely squicked out by the way he chased Osric the whole weekend. Seriously. That was creepy shit.
And again, back to Megan. (Except for the thing I’m not talking about.) His treatment of her over the course of the weekend was abhorrent. From barking orders at her to get him into his cosplay, to ignoring her all day Sunday - yeah. I left DC so angry I was shaking, especially after I found out Megan had spent pretty much all day Sunday alone while he chased after Os and others in cosplay.
Hell, most of my issues with him stems from his treatment of Megan.
So I've been following you for awhile and I remember when you said that you were no longer friends with Andy, but then there were times after that you still hung out or got gifts from each other? Just curious what was happening there.
Yeah. Well, here’s the thing. I love Megan very much. I love Michael and Cyd Player very much (Andy’s parents). In order to see them - yeah. Shit happens. I could tolerate him in small doses. Very small doses.
It was a difficult line to walk because of the posse. I love those guys so fucking much, and there was always this fear that if I broke away from them, they’d forget I existed. So I put up with his presence and whatever so I wouldn’t lose them. Does that make me shallow? Probably. I don’t know.
Ending my friendship with Andy was as difficult as leaving a cult. He’s very vibrant; it’s hard not to get caught up in the excitement of being his friend.
I've never met Andy personally (Thank God), but I'd like to hear from someone who has: Do you think he is believes his lies or do you think he's self-aware of what he's doing and is malicious in his intent?
I think he lies so much he believes himself. I don’t know. I’m not a physician and don’t even dare to attempt to diagnose him. That’s way over my pay grade.
What happened during GISHWHES?
Ah yes. GISHWHES.
Fuck.
Gish was a train wreck. And it’s not ALL his fault. Andy and I worked well together for many reasons, one of which was aggressive competitiveness. We were on the team with the (now defunct) Profound Radio crew. We believed they would be competitive. They weren’t. Instead of just going with it and doing our best anyway, it spiraled out of control. I can tell you now - I hate who I became during that week. I had good friends on that team and I was terrible to them.
Halfway through, he got really upset that the rest of the team weren’t “pulling their weight” and decided to take on the rest of the list, which meant him, me, and the VA Posse now had about 60+ items we were trying to finish.
It got out of control real fast. He quit taking his pills, insisting he needed to stay awake and the pills would make him sleepy. He now claims he never said that and lost his pills. His pills were on my kitchen counter the entire week. I’m pretty sure he knew that.
Thursday of that week, I got one of my horrible, lock me in a dark room and turn off the world migraines. I went down, hard. He and my son decided that my son was gay (he’s not. He wanted Andy’s attention) and decided that was the night he needed to “come out”. I said ok, we’ll talk about this later. Around four that morning, my headache broke, and I got up to find Andy making a mess in my kitchen creating another item. I told him Joe was using him for attention and that I would more than accept him if he was gay, but that wasn’t what was happening.
He looked me dead in the eye and told me I was a shit mother. (There were a lot more words to it, but that’s the gist.)
In the interest of not putting my fist through his face, I left the room. I barely spoke to him the rest of the week. I was fucking furious.
In the end, all of those extra items we did? 80% of them never even got uploaded. He turned it around on me, saying that he “so desperately wanted to get Jenn to Misha”. Then he had a breakdown, which I still don’t buy the legitimacy off. Also, during the course of this week, he managed to make most of the VA posse cry.
This is why I will never, ever do GISH again.
Gah. This answer is long and rambling, and I hate it. But this is basically how it went down. There’s a lot of Profound Radio crew out there that would back me up on how he acted that week. He was especially terrible to Mapal and Kaleb. Kaleb WASN’T EVEN ON THE TEAM.
Do you think when Andy's Tumblr got hacked the Christmas before last it was genuine or something he did to himself for sympathy and attention and to deflect the flak he was getting at that time?
I think he did it himself.
What was Andy's opinions on the awareness blogs? Did he really try and orchestrate attacks on them behind the scenes?
He encouraged us to ignore them and not fight back.
why was he chasing osriic? and how was he chasing him? did osric know?
Osric’s housemates knew. We had a long talk about it. Os is good at being kind and defusing people, and I think that’s what he did in this situation.
I avoided Andy a lot at con. A lot. I reconnected with some people (TEAM BUNKROCK W00T!) and stayed away from him.
Why was he chasing Osric? I can only assume for connections? I don’t know.
Did Andy tell you he was 17 when he started his relationship with Abbey like he told CFC?
I honestly don’t remember - he did say he was underaged. Again, I don’t feel like I can really comment on his past.
Do you think Andy was behind the Finelookingcat sexual assault accusations?
It crossed my mind, but I don’t feel I could say yes, he was. I don’t know. I have no way of knowing.
Were there any times you felt you were being manipulated by Andy? If so could you give examples?
Several times. One of the biggest issues I had with walking away from the friendship was that he’d turn the posse against me.
What did you think about the Andy Awareness blogs while you were still friends with him? Did it seem a lot of fuss over nothing or did all the warnings make you more able to spot when he was being abusive? Do you think it's a good thing they exist?
They made me uneasy, which should have been my first clue. Some of the things they freak out about are not always worth freaking out about.
Abbey is the one I feel for the most. I’m glad she’s found peace and has a good life now. I do think the fandom should be aware.
I dunno. I still have a lot of unprocessed feelings about this whole thing.
Why do you think Andy keeps getting second (or third, or fifth) chances? It's like he's a cat with 9 lives.
He’s a beautiful story teller. It’s not hard to garner sympathy when you can spin a yarn that paints you as the reluctant hero.
Did he turn the posse against you after you left him? Or wings-andgrace? You also used to vouch for his art. Do you still or were you lying for him?
Posse - stuck by me. Still in contact. I talk to them all a fair amount. So no. If he tried, they ignored.
Megan? Well, she’s pretty busy with school and getting out of the navy. Since I moved, I don’t speak to her much at all. I don’t know why? It just is.
His art - I don’t know about the whole digital side of it, but I have sat next to him and watched him whip out absolutely gorgeous pencil renderings of Jensen just because I asked him to. So yes, he does actually have much artistic talent. Is he digitally tracing things? I don’t know. I’ve never seen him do a digital piece from scratch.
DCCon anon again. I figured the whole "everyone is my entourage & I am the center of attention" thing was part of it after observing him all weekend. Not long after you told me I was sitting in the lobby & he flounced over, sat down next to me (entirely too close), and started talking. It was like he was waiting to see if I would fall into his gravitational pull. When I didn't enter orbit that's the last he spoke to me except to ask if I had an item he was missing to do his Crowley/Kevin op.
Yeah, that sounds about right. I’d love to know who you are - but it’s ok if you don’t want to tell me. I wouldn’t let on. Anyway. Yeah. It was a bad weekend. It definitely colored parts of my Con experience. I felt like I was apologizing for him A LOT.
You talk about him being abusive to wings-andgrace. Can you give some examples of how he's abused her that you've seen because she keeps denying it.
Well. I knew this would come up.
I don’t know if it’s so much abusive as controlling and codependent. Wait. I guess that does make it abusive?
What bothers me is something I see with him all the time. He’ll push her away - go make plans with others, do things with others, have a life away from me - then ten minutes later, he’s saying, help me with this art project, help me find my shoes, help me do this, me me me, but absolutely can’t see it when I tell him he’s a codependent as he claims she is! And no matter what the issue is between them, she always, ALWAYS blames herself.
Mind you, it’s been a long time since I was in VA. (I’ve been here since October). I’m not there to observe them directly anymore. I don’t know if things have changed. (She says they have.)
I am so much against her living there. I can’t even tell you. I love Andy’s parents so much, but I don’t think they see what’s right under their noses. I don’t know. I don’t want to veer off into the speculative. I can’t convince Megan of anything - but I don’t think her being with him all the time is a good thing. At all.
http://winjennster.tumblr.com/tagged/that-andy-thing
who is andy and why are you no longer friends?
Who is andy? Are you fucking serious?
I’m going to assume you’re genuinely unsure of who he is, but I encourage you to google Andythanfiction and Andrew Blake.
Reasons we are no longer friends -
1. GISHWHES
2. DC CON
3. Megan (topographical-curves) or rather, not Megan per say, but his treatment of Megan.
4. Lies
5. Manipulation
Why do you think Aja left out nearly all of the info you gave her? Seems like you'd be a good source for people wondering about his behavior more recently; why would she choose not to include that?
I feel like she basically reported what he wanted reported, or she found what I had to say of little consequence in light of the GIANT DRAMA in his past. I don’t know. I don’t really wish to have contact with her at this point. I feel dirty and used were Aja is concerned.
What led to you being friends with Andy in the first place? When did you start to become leery of him?
Ok let’s file this under Jenn is dumb moments.
I met him in December of 2012. I had on an SPN shirt and we starting talking about the fandom. First time we hung out was about a week later and he spent the later half of the day telling me everything about Brittany. I went home that night and looked him up.
My brain said HEY THIS GUY IS TROUBLE WALK AWAY. But, my husband was in Afghanistan and I was stupid lonely, so I chalked it up to PEOPLE CAN CHANGE. So, to be honest, leery right from the start. Too dumb (translation: too fucking lonely) to do anything about it.
You told me at DCCon the friendship was over, but didn't want to say why then and I wasn't going to push if you didn't want to elaborate. If you are in the mood now can you tell me what happened? (No worries if you don't)
The biggest reason I can’t elaborate on because of Megan. It’s not my thing to share. But my biggest issues with him at DC Con was how rude he was to so many people, and how they kept coming up to me and telling me, which made me feel terrible. A very prominent SPN fanartist (and a friend) was sitting near him. He left his phone on a chair and she, wanting to do the right thing, returned it to him. He barked at her that he knew exactly where it was and basically, not to touch his stuff. (I want to put her name here, but I don’t know if she would appreciate that. But she is a VERY well known artist in this fandom.)
I didn’t appreciate the way he took over our room and left everything he owned spread all over. Yes, that’s fairly minor, but it’s gross. Four people in the room and he’s the only one that can’t clean up after himself.
I was entirely squicked out by the way he chased Osric the whole weekend. Seriously. That was creepy shit.
And again, back to Megan. (Except for the thing I’m not talking about.) His treatment of her over the course of the weekend was abhorrent. From barking orders at her to get him into his cosplay, to ignoring her all day Sunday - yeah. I left DC so angry I was shaking, especially after I found out Megan had spent pretty much all day Sunday alone while he chased after Os and others in cosplay.
Hell, most of my issues with him stems from his treatment of Megan.
So I've been following you for awhile and I remember when you said that you were no longer friends with Andy, but then there were times after that you still hung out or got gifts from each other? Just curious what was happening there.
Yeah. Well, here’s the thing. I love Megan very much. I love Michael and Cyd Player very much (Andy’s parents). In order to see them - yeah. Shit happens. I could tolerate him in small doses. Very small doses.
It was a difficult line to walk because of the posse. I love those guys so fucking much, and there was always this fear that if I broke away from them, they’d forget I existed. So I put up with his presence and whatever so I wouldn’t lose them. Does that make me shallow? Probably. I don’t know.
Ending my friendship with Andy was as difficult as leaving a cult. He’s very vibrant; it’s hard not to get caught up in the excitement of being his friend.
I've never met Andy personally (Thank God), but I'd like to hear from someone who has: Do you think he is believes his lies or do you think he's self-aware of what he's doing and is malicious in his intent?
I think he lies so much he believes himself. I don’t know. I’m not a physician and don’t even dare to attempt to diagnose him. That’s way over my pay grade.
What happened during GISHWHES?
Ah yes. GISHWHES.
Fuck.
Gish was a train wreck. And it’s not ALL his fault. Andy and I worked well together for many reasons, one of which was aggressive competitiveness. We were on the team with the (now defunct) Profound Radio crew. We believed they would be competitive. They weren’t. Instead of just going with it and doing our best anyway, it spiraled out of control. I can tell you now - I hate who I became during that week. I had good friends on that team and I was terrible to them.
Halfway through, he got really upset that the rest of the team weren’t “pulling their weight” and decided to take on the rest of the list, which meant him, me, and the VA Posse now had about 60+ items we were trying to finish.
It got out of control real fast. He quit taking his pills, insisting he needed to stay awake and the pills would make him sleepy. He now claims he never said that and lost his pills. His pills were on my kitchen counter the entire week. I’m pretty sure he knew that.
Thursday of that week, I got one of my horrible, lock me in a dark room and turn off the world migraines. I went down, hard. He and my son decided that my son was gay (he’s not. He wanted Andy’s attention) and decided that was the night he needed to “come out”. I said ok, we’ll talk about this later. Around four that morning, my headache broke, and I got up to find Andy making a mess in my kitchen creating another item. I told him Joe was using him for attention and that I would more than accept him if he was gay, but that wasn’t what was happening.
He looked me dead in the eye and told me I was a shit mother. (There were a lot more words to it, but that’s the gist.)
In the interest of not putting my fist through his face, I left the room. I barely spoke to him the rest of the week. I was fucking furious.
In the end, all of those extra items we did? 80% of them never even got uploaded. He turned it around on me, saying that he “so desperately wanted to get Jenn to Misha”. Then he had a breakdown, which I still don’t buy the legitimacy off. Also, during the course of this week, he managed to make most of the VA posse cry.
This is why I will never, ever do GISH again.
Gah. This answer is long and rambling, and I hate it. But this is basically how it went down. There’s a lot of Profound Radio crew out there that would back me up on how he acted that week. He was especially terrible to Mapal and Kaleb. Kaleb WASN’T EVEN ON THE TEAM.
Do you think when Andy's Tumblr got hacked the Christmas before last it was genuine or something he did to himself for sympathy and attention and to deflect the flak he was getting at that time?
I think he did it himself.
What was Andy's opinions on the awareness blogs? Did he really try and orchestrate attacks on them behind the scenes?
He encouraged us to ignore them and not fight back.
why was he chasing osriic? and how was he chasing him? did osric know?
Osric’s housemates knew. We had a long talk about it. Os is good at being kind and defusing people, and I think that’s what he did in this situation.
I avoided Andy a lot at con. A lot. I reconnected with some people (TEAM BUNKROCK W00T!) and stayed away from him.
Why was he chasing Osric? I can only assume for connections? I don’t know.
Did Andy tell you he was 17 when he started his relationship with Abbey like he told CFC?
I honestly don’t remember - he did say he was underaged. Again, I don’t feel like I can really comment on his past.
Do you think Andy was behind the Finelookingcat sexual assault accusations?
It crossed my mind, but I don’t feel I could say yes, he was. I don’t know. I have no way of knowing.
Were there any times you felt you were being manipulated by Andy? If so could you give examples?
Several times. One of the biggest issues I had with walking away from the friendship was that he’d turn the posse against me.
What did you think about the Andy Awareness blogs while you were still friends with him? Did it seem a lot of fuss over nothing or did all the warnings make you more able to spot when he was being abusive? Do you think it's a good thing they exist?
They made me uneasy, which should have been my first clue. Some of the things they freak out about are not always worth freaking out about.
Abbey is the one I feel for the most. I’m glad she’s found peace and has a good life now. I do think the fandom should be aware.
I dunno. I still have a lot of unprocessed feelings about this whole thing.
Why do you think Andy keeps getting second (or third, or fifth) chances? It's like he's a cat with 9 lives.
He’s a beautiful story teller. It’s not hard to garner sympathy when you can spin a yarn that paints you as the reluctant hero.
Did he turn the posse against you after you left him? Or wings-andgrace? You also used to vouch for his art. Do you still or were you lying for him?
Posse - stuck by me. Still in contact. I talk to them all a fair amount. So no. If he tried, they ignored.
Megan? Well, she’s pretty busy with school and getting out of the navy. Since I moved, I don’t speak to her much at all. I don’t know why? It just is.
His art - I don’t know about the whole digital side of it, but I have sat next to him and watched him whip out absolutely gorgeous pencil renderings of Jensen just because I asked him to. So yes, he does actually have much artistic talent. Is he digitally tracing things? I don’t know. I’ve never seen him do a digital piece from scratch.
DCCon anon again. I figured the whole "everyone is my entourage & I am the center of attention" thing was part of it after observing him all weekend. Not long after you told me I was sitting in the lobby & he flounced over, sat down next to me (entirely too close), and started talking. It was like he was waiting to see if I would fall into his gravitational pull. When I didn't enter orbit that's the last he spoke to me except to ask if I had an item he was missing to do his Crowley/Kevin op.
Yeah, that sounds about right. I’d love to know who you are - but it’s ok if you don’t want to tell me. I wouldn’t let on. Anyway. Yeah. It was a bad weekend. It definitely colored parts of my Con experience. I felt like I was apologizing for him A LOT.
You talk about him being abusive to wings-andgrace. Can you give some examples of how he's abused her that you've seen because she keeps denying it.
Well. I knew this would come up.
I don’t know if it’s so much abusive as controlling and codependent. Wait. I guess that does make it abusive?
What bothers me is something I see with him all the time. He’ll push her away - go make plans with others, do things with others, have a life away from me - then ten minutes later, he’s saying, help me with this art project, help me find my shoes, help me do this, me me me, but absolutely can’t see it when I tell him he’s a codependent as he claims she is! And no matter what the issue is between them, she always, ALWAYS blames herself.
Mind you, it’s been a long time since I was in VA. (I’ve been here since October). I’m not there to observe them directly anymore. I don’t know if things have changed. (She says they have.)
I am so much against her living there. I can’t even tell you. I love Andy’s parents so much, but I don’t think they see what’s right under their noses. I don’t know. I don’t want to veer off into the speculative. I can’t convince Megan of anything - but I don’t think her being with him all the time is a good thing. At all.
what was the deal with the zombie apocalypse LARP and the other LARP? Aja talked about how he used LARPing as an entry point for cult building is that why you backed out? did he recruit anyone at the first one? do you think the zombie one was canceled because Aja and others exposed it as a con job and dangerous?
NO NO NO. Ok, no.
The Moments to Midnight thing wasn’t even a LARP. It was a mild role playing event. We came, we got in character, we left. It was the same as if you’d gone to a murder mystery night and there were actors there to perform a show. That’s it. No one “got recruited”. I made a bunch of amazing new friends. A marriage came out of it. I looked amazing and me and Chess kicked ass. That was it.
The zombie thing - him and I had a fight, over Megan and some other shit. I pulled out. I told him I didn’t want any part of it, so he closed down shop. That one wasn’t going to have any role playing at all.
So no, no con, no cult, that’s it.
I'm sorry that Andy called you a shit mother. That's really awful. Would you mind elaborating on why your son wanted Andy's attention (so much that he would lie) and how the ill timed "coming out" happened? Was Andy the driving force behind the idea?
I feel like he was the driving force. I knew Joe found men attractive, but he was utterly not interested in having a physical relationship with another guy. I think he just enjoys looking at pretty people. Andy is bright and sparkly, and he treated Joe like a grown up, not a kid. Joe wants to be an artist and admired Andy’s skills.
Also, Joe has some pretty serious mental illnesses, and at the time, they were out of control. He wanted to be the center of attention, a lot. I’m pretty sure Andy talked him into the idea of coming out.
How anyone who claims to know me would think I’d be anything but supportive to an LGBTQA child of my own loins is beyond me. Also, it pissed me off that he presumed to think he knew my son better than I did.
What do you know about Andy's attempts to infiltrate other fandoms like Teen Wolf or WTNV?
Literally nothing. He did the Cecil cosplay to amuse Megan, but I don’t think he gave two shits about Night Vale. As for Teen Wolf? We all got into it around the same time out of boredom and lack of SPN. I’ve since lost any and all interest. I don’t know if he’s still into it?
can i ask 2 questions? (ok 3 bc that was a question lol) you said the aa blogs freaked out about stuff they shouldn't can you give an example? and what was the stuff you told aja that you wanted people to know but she cut?
The AA blogs occasionally twist things too far. Sometimes, something he says is actually innocent and they make it a big deal. I don’t have any direct examples.
I told Aja about GISH, I told her about DC Con, I told her about everything. I think she used like one quote from me? It took me like three weeks to even agree to talk to her, I got so worked up about it I didn’t sleep for three days before the interview - and that’s it. A whole of nothing. It’s like, what was the point?
Another formerly close real-life friend, Jennifer Cilento, said she broke off contact with Blake after deciding he was being manipulative and controlling toward Carlson. She later stated publicly that Blake was “abusive.” She’s now moved away and asked him not to contact her again.
Yup. That’s it. We talked for close to two hours and that’s it.
Dear Jenn, please excuse the possibly stupid question, but is the Megan/wingsandgrace you have mentioned the same Meg in Aja's article who has moved in as his 'groundskeeper'?
Yes.
This is only tangentially about Andy, but did you sense he was freezing Ceirdwenfc out, or including her reluctantly?
I will say this - she’s kinder to him than he is to her. He doesn’t deserve her loyalty.
1) There's a few things you've described so far that follows the same pattern of some of Andy's past abuse. Like the convincing your son he was gay thing for example, trying to persuade someone they're a sexuality they aren't (usually something LGBT-flavoured) is something he's done to multiple people in past. Trying to cause conflict between a parent and their child is also something else he's also done to people in the past. Have you ever read anything on the Andy Awareness blogs where you've
2) had a jolt of recognition in a “He did that to me/another friend too!” kind of way? Can you give any examples?
The manipulation thing is what was really bothering me. I don’t know that I have any actual examples.
Do you think that Andy has learned from his past mistakes (like GISH)? Or if he is in the same kind of situation again, would he be just as likely to repeat them as far as being mean to people on his team, etc.?
I’m not around him enough to know - but he did do GISH this past summer and it seems to have gone well.
How was Andy horrible to Mapal?
I’m sure you’d have to ask her the specifics, but he was very harsh in the way he spoke to her, and bulldozed her out of one of the items she really wanted to do.
Andy told you about Brittany that soon? Do you think he was using her as a hook to gain your sympathy and friendship? And fuck him for calling you a shit mother, by the way.
I think it was a ‘get to her and sell my side of the story before the AA blogs get to her’. I don’t know if it was a ploy for sympathy, but that seems likely.
what's the worst thing you saw andy do while you knew him? i guess what i'm trying to get at is how bad is he, still? do you think he's dangerous?
One of the things that really started to shake things apart was when I got to know his mom. For months, he’d been telling me that Amy Player was his sister and that all of the horrible things Amy had done were done by this person (his sister). It was after I got to know Cyd that I found out his sister’s true name and the fact that he was indeed Amy Player and responsible for all of Amy’s deeds.
That still bothers me. Even after I caught him in the lie, he continued to insist that his sister was Amy Player, and that his mom just called her by her first name (which I won’t use here) and that Amy was her middle name and she preferred to go by that. By this time, Cyd and I had become friends, so when I asked her outright, she told me the truth about Amy.
Do I think he’s still dangerous? I think he has the potential to become dangerous again, yes. Not sure if that’s the same thing.
Do you think Andy has ever genuinely changed?
I think he’s a good actor.
Do you think any of Andy's online apologies have ever been sincere or is there good reason to doubt them?
Considering that his apologies are usually vague and point out how others caused the failure? No.
What were the best and worst things about being friends with Andy?
There was always something fun, new, and exciting to do. He introduced me to new people.
He was always often rude, embarrassing, aggressive in how he “collected” people, and extremely good at making me feel stupid and embarrassed by my body type.
There was the body paint series - if I wanted to be a part of it, I had to be The Hulk. I wanted to be Hawkeye. Nope. Body type. I had to be The Hulk. Still a little pissed about that. Also, that’s why I refused to participate.
There was a lot of that - little stabs at me, telling me in a round about way I wasn’t good enough. Go look at his liveblogs from when he read Cooking with Gas. Yeah. That fucking infuriated me. He has a way of complimenting you that you realize later was far from a compliment.
If you knew back then all that you know now would you have avoided becoming friends with Andy? Do you ever miss him?
I don’t miss him. I miss the kids (posse). I think I would have cut him off the first time instead of constantly going back. Knowing that there are valuable people in my life I wouldn’t have if not for him makes me say that yes, I still would have become friends with him.
I cannot stress how little I miss him. He’s exhausting.
How old was your son when Andy was suggesting he was gay? Because that would have been a couple of years ago now wouldn't it?
August 2013. Joe had just turned fifteen.
***not a question, but final note***
One last thing and then I’m putting this Andy thing to rest - well, two last things.
One is about Megan. There’s a thing in the article (My mother doesn’t want you to wear those pants in the house.) The pants in question are a pair of Navy sweat pants that I’m pretty sure she’s had since Basic. They have the mother of all holes close to the waistline, and gloriously display whatever lovely underwear she happens to have on that day. This is why Cyd doesn’t want he wearing them in the house. That’s all. It’s not Andy being controlling on this issue, it’s Cyd demanding modesty. That’s it.
Two - if you’d asked me a year or so ago what I thought about kumquatwriter, I’d have basically said Abbey needed a hobby. Over the past year, I’ve come to realize I was wrong about that. She’s been through hell. She’s still standing. My level of respect for her is extremely high.
So that’s it. I’m officially closing the book on Andrew Blake. I feel like I’ve said everything that needed to be said, and I’m ready to move on with my life. From this point forward, any and all asks about him will go unanswered. Thank you for your time, and for putting up with this mess on my blog the last few days.
Comments, some kudos and non-Andy stuff have been cut as quite a lot of chatter went on, and this is long.
http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/131587.html?thread=685772035#cmt685772035
To what extent did Andy influence or control what was posted about the events of the hike on the IAP blog?
What's something that hasn't come out in outsiders' summaries of the hike that you think people ought to know?
What led you to cut off contact with Andy, and how did you get rid of him (for lack of a better phrase)? Did you hear from him afterward?
TB
Not at all.
It was mostly him. All the accounts were set up by him, he controlled it all. When one of us posted it was basically parroting stuff he'd said or wanted us to say.
Nothing springs to mind. Sorry I know that's disappointing but people already know what he's like, mainly thanks to Abbey and people like yourself. I know there's nothing particularly extra-shocking that hasn't come out, or he hasn't probably done before or since and been documented. There's a lot of shit but it would just be extra background at this point.
So I'd been living with him for a while after ToT, and he just gradually got more and more unbearable. I'd been out from under him in my own head for months, like nearly a year but I was still kind of unwilling to call him on it because I didn't want to deal with it. Eventually though things came to a head. He'd done one of his routine attempts to drive a wedge between us and our other roommate by freaking out and pretending to want to move out on his own because they were so "triggering" or some such crap, and didn't get the reaction he'd wanted. A shrugged "so long then mate, good luck."
Then like in the middle of the night he wrote, as one of his DA characters of course, a long whining email condemning us all and sent it to us and our friends. I woke up the next morning and I read it and I just thought "Fuck this. I'm not doing this anymore."
So we all basically just sat him down and said "you're a liar, and you're crazy, and we're done with your bullshit." He reacted... exactly like I described in my Aja interview lol. I wanted to just throw him out but I was overruled, and we ended up just moving out very soon after.
My wife, and some other former Daydians heard from him around 2013. He facebook messaged them with his "I'm sorry for whatever I did to hurt you, I was schizophrenic" apology stencil. I didn't get one, I don't think he thought I'd be worth the effort. If so he was right.
When Andy went to live with your wife and (I believe) your other roommate after Brittany's death, was that originally meant to be a long-term arrangement?
This is less serious, obviously, but how the hell did you ever keep a straight face around him when he was doing that terrible accent?
I don't think it was. I don't know, but I think it was more supposed to be a temporary thing and then he embedded himself like a fish hook.
Oh man you don't know the half of it. I heard him pretend to be a kid supposedly from Norfolk and he sounded like an Aussie with a head cold. He did a First-Nations Canadian boy that sounded like if Elmo was Russian.
You said downthread that Andy had a doctor persona during the hike, much as he did when he was with Abbey. When you guys posted on the ToT blog about meeting helpful doctors in some of the towns you visited, how much of that was just Andy? I know that you eventually saw a real doctor for your feet, but I was sort of taken aback by some of the other "treatments" I read about on the blog.
We really did meet a lot of doctors and nurses and EMTs and genuinely some of the nicest and kindest people I've ever encountered. But if you see on the blog something like "A doctor told me" and then something outlandish and wierd? Yeah that was him.
What did the roommate do that was so triggering?
Something innocuous. Might have been bringing his mother up in conversation, I don't really recall.
Did you tell Andy you were cutting contact with him, or just sort of drift out of his orbit? Did he ever try to get in touch with you after you decided you were done with him?
See above answer.
Did you know anything about Andy's past misdeeds when you met him? Did he try to explain those things at all?
If you had had full disclosure (if you didn't at the time) would you still have gotten involved with him?
Nope. Didn't know much about him beyond what he'd written a bit of his invented background (the less lurid part) and that lot of people, some of whom were my friends, liked his work.
God no man, I'd have run for the hills! Then again if I'd also been told how things would eventually end up I might have stuck with it all the same. I'm doing pretty great right now and it wouldn't have gone this way if I hadn't been a Daydian.
Are you doing okay now? Did involvement with Andy have a lasting effect on your life/finances/mental health?
We're doing great now actually thanks. I mean I got off rather lightly compared to some. Just the ever present chemical-burn of complete shame whenever it's brought up which I can live with. K has a few minor health problems still, but for the most part the damage has healed for both of us.
Andy has said that Brittany called him out for his channeling characters/people being false and urged him to get help. The evidence doesn't seem to support that version of events.
Was he still channeling and using that to manipulate people after Brittany's death?
Without wishing to cast aspersions on Brittany, I was with the two of them for a full two months and she never once called him on any of it. Two months of him and the multiple different personas he adopted and she never once gave any indication she thought he was crazy or malicious. Hell when we were alone she'd back up his versions of events, however contradictory they were. That right there? Just more of his using Brit's name and memory for whatever he feels like.
Oh yeah he did. Absolutely.
Do you keep up with what Andy is doing at all? If so, do believe that he's changed for the better now?
No to both. I hear things about him through other people, but I don't really care.
Did you ever see/hear/read Andy channeling his DAYD characters? I know he had Q&As answering as the characters, and did that in the chatroom too, did it seem to you to slip beyond that into something more than that?
Yeah he did that a lot. It started out with the Q&As and that, and for most of the Daydians thats about as far as it went. Just some harmless if slightly intense improv fun.
Now are you asking if I ever believed him? For about... a week? Somewhere between Santa Rosa, CA and Eureka. Then as soon as I had a chance to sit down for a bit, drink a beer and think about things for more than a second I decided he was just fucking crazy.
If you don't mind me asking further - how did he do this in person? Did he speak to you as different characters? How did he transition between characters and himself? Did he take on different physical demeanours? What was it like?
Yeah, one of them was supposedly a doctor. If you've read Abby's stuff you'll know he had ones that were "specialised" in areas he might want to appear knowledgable in. Welp he had one for medicine.
He'd do a little eye-rolling shudder, like he saw someone getting posessed in a movie once and tried to copy it, and then boom. Different accent, different demeanour, same bullshit.
I'm sorry if these things have already been covered. Was there a time on the hike when you or your wife wanted to stop for medical treatment and Andy wouldn't allow you? If so, what reasons did he give?
Did you personally know Brittany? Did Andy encourage a lot of meditation on Brittany as he did later with his "tea ceremony" stuff?
Yeah, for my feet. He'd just say keep walking, and give some vague bullshit about travel insurance not paying out for something "self-inflicted." I was young and foolish and I hold very strong opinions on US healthcare so it actually wasn't as hard a sell as I'd like. I did end up in the doctors though.
Now on the flip side whenever he didn't want to walk he'd invent medical conditions that we had to stop for, and mostly shit that was wrong with me.
Yes I did know her. Not so much with us, that's not the kind of thing we'd respond to. That's what the hike was for.
What was going on with Andy's comments about K's gender/gender presentation? I mean, if anything was - between the bit about "just like one of the guys" and the thing about wearing pink and baking, it just sort of seemed like that to me. But it's also not an angle I think we've seen him push before.
This is either new to me or I've forgotten it. It sounds like the kind of head games he'd play, and he was dismissive of her interests which did in fact include baking and pink things and encouraged her to drop them, but I don't know that there was any kind of gender angle to it. Nothing overt enough that I picked it up anyway.
I'm happy to report that the baking and the pink stuff have since returned with an almighty vengeance though.
Obviously you weren't in Andy's head (and who would want to be?! /shudder) but what do you think his payoff for all of the lying and manipulating people is?
Abbey says he's not terribly motivated by money, so it is solely control that he likes?
I don't know dude. There's people better read on the subject than I am. From everything I saw it seems to me like he just likes making people miserable and dependent on him, and living off them while he does it.
Did Andy ever start his weird "have a baby!" thing with you and your partner?
He didn't no. Well at first he did bring the subject up quite a lot, but we shot it down enough that I think he gave up.
What was he like as a roommate? Like, did he pick up after himself, do the dishes, etc? Or did he try to make other people do his chores?
Fucking terrible. He was untidy, unhygenic, lazy, loud, inconsiderate, rude to neighbours and just generally a cunt. Rarely did shit himself, never looked for a job, never paid rent on time, still owes us about $500 for rent we fronted him actually but lets face it I'd pay that much to get rid of him. And you know if he'd just kept to his room I might have been able to tolerate that. But it's Andy "oooh look at me, feel bad you scum, I give you everything!" Blake. He just acted out on a daily basis.
So if you're thinking of getting a flatshare or something I wouldn't recommend him.
People talk about Andy using sleep deprivation a lot. I've gathered that also happened on the hike. Did it also happen in more mundane circumstances? If so, how did he do it? And did he just seem to need way less sleep than most people, or would he get others to do the sleep-depriving work for him?
On hikes sure, but when I was living with him? No not really. Not with me anyway. Now with himself he'd occasionally make sure he stayed awake for a fake illness or something to gain sympathy from "being up all night from the pain" or some bullshit. And sometimes he'd flip his schedule so he was asleep when we were awake and vice-versa, usually around rent time.
What was your first impression of him when you met him in person?
I met him in person at Daydcon. He was small and intense and very chatty. Not too obnoxious, not nearly as irritating as I'd later find him at all. He was pulling the fake "Airesh" crap but, and for the life of me I don't know why, I didn't pick up on it that time. Yes I do know some Irish people, yes I have been to Ireland, yes in hindsight it's laughably obvious, but right then? Nothing registered.
Do you know what is behind his fascination with Ireland, and especially the Troubles? This aspect of the story always amazes and baffles me.
I don't know why, I can guess though. All of Ireland, the culture, the history, the Troubles etc. It's one of those things everyone is passingly familiar with but really most know almost nothing about. It's deep and foreign and "exotic" without being too alien, it's very emotive in the right ways and there's not much need to go into learning a new language and culture, just spit out cliches and references. So if like him you're trying to fool a bunch of Americans, and a few Brits, and... basically anyone not from Ireland it's a relatively easy one to go for.
But no I don't know of any actual link he has to the place.
http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/131587.html?thread=685772035#cmt685772035
To what extent did Andy influence or control what was posted about the events of the hike on the IAP blog?
What's something that hasn't come out in outsiders' summaries of the hike that you think people ought to know?
What led you to cut off contact with Andy, and how did you get rid of him (for lack of a better phrase)? Did you hear from him afterward?
TB
Not at all.
It was mostly him. All the accounts were set up by him, he controlled it all. When one of us posted it was basically parroting stuff he'd said or wanted us to say.
Nothing springs to mind. Sorry I know that's disappointing but people already know what he's like, mainly thanks to Abbey and people like yourself. I know there's nothing particularly extra-shocking that hasn't come out, or he hasn't probably done before or since and been documented. There's a lot of shit but it would just be extra background at this point.
So I'd been living with him for a while after ToT, and he just gradually got more and more unbearable. I'd been out from under him in my own head for months, like nearly a year but I was still kind of unwilling to call him on it because I didn't want to deal with it. Eventually though things came to a head. He'd done one of his routine attempts to drive a wedge between us and our other roommate by freaking out and pretending to want to move out on his own because they were so "triggering" or some such crap, and didn't get the reaction he'd wanted. A shrugged "so long then mate, good luck."
Then like in the middle of the night he wrote, as one of his DA characters of course, a long whining email condemning us all and sent it to us and our friends. I woke up the next morning and I read it and I just thought "Fuck this. I'm not doing this anymore."
So we all basically just sat him down and said "you're a liar, and you're crazy, and we're done with your bullshit." He reacted... exactly like I described in my Aja interview lol. I wanted to just throw him out but I was overruled, and we ended up just moving out very soon after.
My wife, and some other former Daydians heard from him around 2013. He facebook messaged them with his "I'm sorry for whatever I did to hurt you, I was schizophrenic" apology stencil. I didn't get one, I don't think he thought I'd be worth the effort. If so he was right.
When Andy went to live with your wife and (I believe) your other roommate after Brittany's death, was that originally meant to be a long-term arrangement?
This is less serious, obviously, but how the hell did you ever keep a straight face around him when he was doing that terrible accent?
I don't think it was. I don't know, but I think it was more supposed to be a temporary thing and then he embedded himself like a fish hook.
Oh man you don't know the half of it. I heard him pretend to be a kid supposedly from Norfolk and he sounded like an Aussie with a head cold. He did a First-Nations Canadian boy that sounded like if Elmo was Russian.
You said downthread that Andy had a doctor persona during the hike, much as he did when he was with Abbey. When you guys posted on the ToT blog about meeting helpful doctors in some of the towns you visited, how much of that was just Andy? I know that you eventually saw a real doctor for your feet, but I was sort of taken aback by some of the other "treatments" I read about on the blog.
We really did meet a lot of doctors and nurses and EMTs and genuinely some of the nicest and kindest people I've ever encountered. But if you see on the blog something like "A doctor told me" and then something outlandish and wierd? Yeah that was him.
What did the roommate do that was so triggering?
Something innocuous. Might have been bringing his mother up in conversation, I don't really recall.
Did you tell Andy you were cutting contact with him, or just sort of drift out of his orbit? Did he ever try to get in touch with you after you decided you were done with him?
See above answer.
Did you know anything about Andy's past misdeeds when you met him? Did he try to explain those things at all?
If you had had full disclosure (if you didn't at the time) would you still have gotten involved with him?
Nope. Didn't know much about him beyond what he'd written a bit of his invented background (the less lurid part) and that lot of people, some of whom were my friends, liked his work.
God no man, I'd have run for the hills! Then again if I'd also been told how things would eventually end up I might have stuck with it all the same. I'm doing pretty great right now and it wouldn't have gone this way if I hadn't been a Daydian.
Are you doing okay now? Did involvement with Andy have a lasting effect on your life/finances/mental health?
We're doing great now actually thanks. I mean I got off rather lightly compared to some. Just the ever present chemical-burn of complete shame whenever it's brought up which I can live with. K has a few minor health problems still, but for the most part the damage has healed for both of us.
Andy has said that Brittany called him out for his channeling characters/people being false and urged him to get help. The evidence doesn't seem to support that version of events.
Was he still channeling and using that to manipulate people after Brittany's death?
Without wishing to cast aspersions on Brittany, I was with the two of them for a full two months and she never once called him on any of it. Two months of him and the multiple different personas he adopted and she never once gave any indication she thought he was crazy or malicious. Hell when we were alone she'd back up his versions of events, however contradictory they were. That right there? Just more of his using Brit's name and memory for whatever he feels like.
Oh yeah he did. Absolutely.
Do you keep up with what Andy is doing at all? If so, do believe that he's changed for the better now?
No to both. I hear things about him through other people, but I don't really care.
Did you ever see/hear/read Andy channeling his DAYD characters? I know he had Q&As answering as the characters, and did that in the chatroom too, did it seem to you to slip beyond that into something more than that?
Yeah he did that a lot. It started out with the Q&As and that, and for most of the Daydians thats about as far as it went. Just some harmless if slightly intense improv fun.
Now are you asking if I ever believed him? For about... a week? Somewhere between Santa Rosa, CA and Eureka. Then as soon as I had a chance to sit down for a bit, drink a beer and think about things for more than a second I decided he was just fucking crazy.
If you don't mind me asking further - how did he do this in person? Did he speak to you as different characters? How did he transition between characters and himself? Did he take on different physical demeanours? What was it like?
Yeah, one of them was supposedly a doctor. If you've read Abby's stuff you'll know he had ones that were "specialised" in areas he might want to appear knowledgable in. Welp he had one for medicine.
He'd do a little eye-rolling shudder, like he saw someone getting posessed in a movie once and tried to copy it, and then boom. Different accent, different demeanour, same bullshit.
I'm sorry if these things have already been covered. Was there a time on the hike when you or your wife wanted to stop for medical treatment and Andy wouldn't allow you? If so, what reasons did he give?
Did you personally know Brittany? Did Andy encourage a lot of meditation on Brittany as he did later with his "tea ceremony" stuff?
Yeah, for my feet. He'd just say keep walking, and give some vague bullshit about travel insurance not paying out for something "self-inflicted." I was young and foolish and I hold very strong opinions on US healthcare so it actually wasn't as hard a sell as I'd like. I did end up in the doctors though.
Now on the flip side whenever he didn't want to walk he'd invent medical conditions that we had to stop for, and mostly shit that was wrong with me.
Yes I did know her. Not so much with us, that's not the kind of thing we'd respond to. That's what the hike was for.
What was going on with Andy's comments about K's gender/gender presentation? I mean, if anything was - between the bit about "just like one of the guys" and the thing about wearing pink and baking, it just sort of seemed like that to me. But it's also not an angle I think we've seen him push before.
This is either new to me or I've forgotten it. It sounds like the kind of head games he'd play, and he was dismissive of her interests which did in fact include baking and pink things and encouraged her to drop them, but I don't know that there was any kind of gender angle to it. Nothing overt enough that I picked it up anyway.
I'm happy to report that the baking and the pink stuff have since returned with an almighty vengeance though.
Obviously you weren't in Andy's head (and who would want to be?! /shudder) but what do you think his payoff for all of the lying and manipulating people is?
Abbey says he's not terribly motivated by money, so it is solely control that he likes?
I don't know dude. There's people better read on the subject than I am. From everything I saw it seems to me like he just likes making people miserable and dependent on him, and living off them while he does it.
Did Andy ever start his weird "have a baby!" thing with you and your partner?
He didn't no. Well at first he did bring the subject up quite a lot, but we shot it down enough that I think he gave up.
What was he like as a roommate? Like, did he pick up after himself, do the dishes, etc? Or did he try to make other people do his chores?
Fucking terrible. He was untidy, unhygenic, lazy, loud, inconsiderate, rude to neighbours and just generally a cunt. Rarely did shit himself, never looked for a job, never paid rent on time, still owes us about $500 for rent we fronted him actually but lets face it I'd pay that much to get rid of him. And you know if he'd just kept to his room I might have been able to tolerate that. But it's Andy "oooh look at me, feel bad you scum, I give you everything!" Blake. He just acted out on a daily basis.
So if you're thinking of getting a flatshare or something I wouldn't recommend him.
People talk about Andy using sleep deprivation a lot. I've gathered that also happened on the hike. Did it also happen in more mundane circumstances? If so, how did he do it? And did he just seem to need way less sleep than most people, or would he get others to do the sleep-depriving work for him?
On hikes sure, but when I was living with him? No not really. Not with me anyway. Now with himself he'd occasionally make sure he stayed awake for a fake illness or something to gain sympathy from "being up all night from the pain" or some bullshit. And sometimes he'd flip his schedule so he was asleep when we were awake and vice-versa, usually around rent time.
What was your first impression of him when you met him in person?
I met him in person at Daydcon. He was small and intense and very chatty. Not too obnoxious, not nearly as irritating as I'd later find him at all. He was pulling the fake "Airesh" crap but, and for the life of me I don't know why, I didn't pick up on it that time. Yes I do know some Irish people, yes I have been to Ireland, yes in hindsight it's laughably obvious, but right then? Nothing registered.
Do you know what is behind his fascination with Ireland, and especially the Troubles? This aspect of the story always amazes and baffles me.
I don't know why, I can guess though. All of Ireland, the culture, the history, the Troubles etc. It's one of those things everyone is passingly familiar with but really most know almost nothing about. It's deep and foreign and "exotic" without being too alien, it's very emotive in the right ways and there's not much need to go into learning a new language and culture, just spit out cliches and references. So if like him you're trying to fool a bunch of Americans, and a few Brits, and... basically anyone not from Ireland it's a relatively easy one to go for.
But no I don't know of any actual link he has to the place.
Had you heard anything about him planning on adopting a new identity in California? I read somewhere that he was going to change his name, and Brittany was going to help him get new "papers" (I don't know if that means legally or not).
Uh he never mentioned anything to me but as I understand it that was a sort of idea he had around end of 2009. Someone said he was planning to live as Michael Corner, but I don't know. He's still Andy now so... clearly that didn't pan out.
As for your claim to shame, got any juicy gossip that we can laugh at Andy for? His gourmet dishing--horrifyingly bad, or mildly edible? Was he super into food when you were hanging out with him? Is his favorite movie Food Fight? Does he knit with polyester? Does he hate kittens?
Was he more or less creepy than nonnie with the knife-in-the-dark, garbage-horder roomie? He do anything freaky and weird...uh, more than fake channeling spirits. (You probably don't know that story if you're new. So just tell us everything and we'll let you know.)
Did he ever have any kind of ambition that he talked about? Like "go to school, be rocket scientist"? Any kind of RL aspirations at all (no matter how bullshit?)
If you were to sum him up in a single anecdote, it would have to be...?
One time he tried to make some kind of Morroccan soup, or so he said, and served it inside a hollowed out pumpkin. It tasted like bitter, peppery tea. Just awful. He was super into it, for the attention and admiration of course and it annoyed him quite a lot that we weren't. I still have his recipes for shit like "7-layer chocolate cake," chocolate and JD's cheesecake and mac and cheese. I might post them sometime, they're almost certainly not his work.
He told me his favourite movie was Gettysburg, make of that what you will. Never watched him knit. He professed to like kittens, but cats were very nervous around him. What else... you know there'll be a lot of shit that occurs to me over the next few days. Oh he pretended to be rape victim a whole lot. He once went on a long tirade in support of the Confederate States during the civil war. He pretended to be a doctor and lied to a veteran about what was supposedly killing him. Fuck man, so much shit.
He wanted to "help people." If that just made the hairs on the back of your neck stand up, good. He'd go on and on about all the things he could do or was qualified to do and his genius IQ and all the professors he knew, but no. He selflessly wanted to walk the earth helping people. "Starfishing" he called it.
The time he told me the best way to deal with mosquito bites was to heat up a needle with a lighter and then stick it in there. And then after he laughed and said "OMG you fell for that!" Bam! Andrew Blake.
He pretended to be a doctor and lied to a veteran about what was supposedly killing him.
...What? Jesus Christ, WHAT? I would like to hear more details on this.
So we were briefly at a VA in Oklahoma somewhere I think, for reasons I don't recall. He'd was talking to the dad of a nice woman we'd met who'd cheerfully talked to us as we passed by her house. He was off by himself with him for a while and when he came back he said something about Korean bio weapons and a government coverup and how he was basically doomed to waste away. And I remember standing there for a second just shocked nearly right out of the whole thing and for a brief moment considered pushing him into the path of a truck. But... then it was time to go and Tulsa was on the horizon so I put such thoughts from my mind. And I've just recalled that now. I feel awful, I've got no justification for not turning right around and fixing that. I don't know if that was actually what was said or if he was just full of piss but all the same.
Eh it didn't hurt that much. Icing my feet though, now that hurt.
You mentioned fake illnesses above. How much was his so-called fatal heart condition a part of his story? Did he ever give you an explanation for how it went away, or at least didn't kill him?
He wove it into his background to attempt to explain his avowed windswept, devil-may-care attitude to life previously. He would say how he thought he had a ticking time bomb in his chest so he "takes each day as they come," "every minute was a blessing"... assorted cat-poster shit to make him look like a bohemian cavalier standing at the gates of dawn. Never did give me an explanation beyond "the doctors fucked up" and then got arsey with me for asking.
***This next bit may not be Hike DAYDIAN, but I'm including it since it seems relevant.***
He claimed that spending so much time as his channelled personalities had led to a physical change in his body, fixing his heart problem completely.
Fascinating ! I'm guessing you're the other DAYD nonnie from last post ? It's really nice of you to come here when you've had a long shift and everything.
If I may, given he's changed his story so much, do you remember what year it was he said this ? Or was it a matter of giving different stories to different people depending on what he thought they would buy?
This would have been 2010. Though I also think your second question is correct as well.
***Back to original Hike DAYDIAN's Q&A***
Was he, like, directing medical treatment throughout the hike, when you didn't manage to get to actual doctors? K mentioned lancing blisters, which I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to do - was that his idea? What about the ice bath? Was that all him, and if so, was it actually sound advice or bullshit in retrospect?
All him. All bullshit.
Kind of a weird question, but did you ever lie to Andy and if so, did he believe it? Did anyone else lie to him? Or did he ever suspect/accuse anyone of lying?
Just wondering how he would react to someone else not telling the truth.
Yeah a fair bit. He would ask an awful lot of questions about every kind of personal info you can imagine. Sometimes it was easier just to lie to him. He never caught on. I'd imagine if he had he'd have upped the guilt tripping to 11 and kept up with the "I can't trust you, you're a bad friend" crap for the rest of our time together.
What did he say about his parents and his sister?
Also, did he ever try to get you to believe that your family had abused you? I'm creeped out that that is a reoccurring theme with him. Did he try to "rewrite" things from your past?
Not with me no. Might have taken a couple of steps down the beginning of that road, he did talk about them and try and frame a lot of bad shit as related to them, but I shut him down very quickly. Not wanting to criticize his other victims, that's just what happened.
While he lived with you, did he get the money for rent from his parents or did he work? Did they ever send him money?
I don't know, he had a couple of odd jobs on craigslist, a lot of which he'd actually drag us along to. For example there was a nice couple who wanted their garage cleaned out and said we could take all the stuff they didn't want. Sounded like work to him, so we came along. And then we sold it off, and then the money went missing soon after. Even at the time it was a point of contention that he couldn't pay rent but he could afford nail polish for his fucking Hunger Games cosplay. I don't know that his parents sent him money for rent, I know they paid for his flights home at Christmas but that's it.
Did you ever see him depressed? To me, he always seems to be "on". Like, very social, always doing projects and meta and fanfiction and events etc etc.
Yes. He mostly had those waily woe-is-me episodes for effect but a handful of times while I was living with him he was definitely what I'd describe as "down" for a day or so. Stayed in his room not communicating. They were nice days, I used them to do chores or watch TV in peace.
In Abbey's account there is a whole mythology around the channelling - calling himself the "mindhole", specific alternate dimensions that people were coming from (like the LOTR-verse, WWII England...), various "alters" who needed help working through their issues/saving the world...
I haven't seen such specific descriptions of his channelling in the DAYD cult; was he using a different mythology or using his alters differently by then, or was it pretty much exactly like Abbey describes and it's just that no ex-DAYD person has chosen to describe it at length like she did ?
Well see he was a lot more vague about it at first. There were just alternate personalities who were more or less the same as his fictional Dayd characters. And when something was inconsistent he'd just change it because they were his fictional characters.
Now later on he would say how these people were supposedly actually real and how he got all their memories and stories through some magical data dump (exact words) including the "dead" ones. Not an alternate dimension, supposedly this one. I don't know he expected to get away with that since many of his characters were supposed to be public figures and well google exists. But yeah his main shtick ended up being that he wasn't crazy, Dayd Harry Potter was real.
I suspect if I'm right about the other Daydian they would know more about this than me. Not because I didn't hear any of it, it just mostly went in one ear and out my arse you know?
What's the worst thing you saw Andy do while you were together?
Choices, choices... pick one from above or if you want something new; son of bitch insisted that I had some sort of psychic tapeworm from a gypsy curse, and the only way to fix it was to starve it by not eating. Oh yeah. The plot of Steven King's "Thinner." He pulled that on me, and that's how I didn't eat anything for three days. Like I've often said it was easier to just go along with him. I did just buy food and eat it when he wasn't looking though.
And I think that's all the questions cleaned up. Thank's FFA. It's been real.
Uh he never mentioned anything to me but as I understand it that was a sort of idea he had around end of 2009. Someone said he was planning to live as Michael Corner, but I don't know. He's still Andy now so... clearly that didn't pan out.
As for your claim to shame, got any juicy gossip that we can laugh at Andy for? His gourmet dishing--horrifyingly bad, or mildly edible? Was he super into food when you were hanging out with him? Is his favorite movie Food Fight? Does he knit with polyester? Does he hate kittens?
Was he more or less creepy than nonnie with the knife-in-the-dark, garbage-horder roomie? He do anything freaky and weird...uh, more than fake channeling spirits. (You probably don't know that story if you're new. So just tell us everything and we'll let you know.)
Did he ever have any kind of ambition that he talked about? Like "go to school, be rocket scientist"? Any kind of RL aspirations at all (no matter how bullshit?)
If you were to sum him up in a single anecdote, it would have to be...?
One time he tried to make some kind of Morroccan soup, or so he said, and served it inside a hollowed out pumpkin. It tasted like bitter, peppery tea. Just awful. He was super into it, for the attention and admiration of course and it annoyed him quite a lot that we weren't. I still have his recipes for shit like "7-layer chocolate cake," chocolate and JD's cheesecake and mac and cheese. I might post them sometime, they're almost certainly not his work.
He told me his favourite movie was Gettysburg, make of that what you will. Never watched him knit. He professed to like kittens, but cats were very nervous around him. What else... you know there'll be a lot of shit that occurs to me over the next few days. Oh he pretended to be rape victim a whole lot. He once went on a long tirade in support of the Confederate States during the civil war. He pretended to be a doctor and lied to a veteran about what was supposedly killing him. Fuck man, so much shit.
He wanted to "help people." If that just made the hairs on the back of your neck stand up, good. He'd go on and on about all the things he could do or was qualified to do and his genius IQ and all the professors he knew, but no. He selflessly wanted to walk the earth helping people. "Starfishing" he called it.
The time he told me the best way to deal with mosquito bites was to heat up a needle with a lighter and then stick it in there. And then after he laughed and said "OMG you fell for that!" Bam! Andrew Blake.
He pretended to be a doctor and lied to a veteran about what was supposedly killing him.
...What? Jesus Christ, WHAT? I would like to hear more details on this.
So we were briefly at a VA in Oklahoma somewhere I think, for reasons I don't recall. He'd was talking to the dad of a nice woman we'd met who'd cheerfully talked to us as we passed by her house. He was off by himself with him for a while and when he came back he said something about Korean bio weapons and a government coverup and how he was basically doomed to waste away. And I remember standing there for a second just shocked nearly right out of the whole thing and for a brief moment considered pushing him into the path of a truck. But... then it was time to go and Tulsa was on the horizon so I put such thoughts from my mind. And I've just recalled that now. I feel awful, I've got no justification for not turning right around and fixing that. I don't know if that was actually what was said or if he was just full of piss but all the same.
Eh it didn't hurt that much. Icing my feet though, now that hurt.
You mentioned fake illnesses above. How much was his so-called fatal heart condition a part of his story? Did he ever give you an explanation for how it went away, or at least didn't kill him?
He wove it into his background to attempt to explain his avowed windswept, devil-may-care attitude to life previously. He would say how he thought he had a ticking time bomb in his chest so he "takes each day as they come," "every minute was a blessing"... assorted cat-poster shit to make him look like a bohemian cavalier standing at the gates of dawn. Never did give me an explanation beyond "the doctors fucked up" and then got arsey with me for asking.
***This next bit may not be Hike DAYDIAN, but I'm including it since it seems relevant.***
He claimed that spending so much time as his channelled personalities had led to a physical change in his body, fixing his heart problem completely.
Fascinating ! I'm guessing you're the other DAYD nonnie from last post ? It's really nice of you to come here when you've had a long shift and everything.
If I may, given he's changed his story so much, do you remember what year it was he said this ? Or was it a matter of giving different stories to different people depending on what he thought they would buy?
This would have been 2010. Though I also think your second question is correct as well.
***Back to original Hike DAYDIAN's Q&A***
Was he, like, directing medical treatment throughout the hike, when you didn't manage to get to actual doctors? K mentioned lancing blisters, which I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to do - was that his idea? What about the ice bath? Was that all him, and if so, was it actually sound advice or bullshit in retrospect?
All him. All bullshit.
Kind of a weird question, but did you ever lie to Andy and if so, did he believe it? Did anyone else lie to him? Or did he ever suspect/accuse anyone of lying?
Just wondering how he would react to someone else not telling the truth.
Yeah a fair bit. He would ask an awful lot of questions about every kind of personal info you can imagine. Sometimes it was easier just to lie to him. He never caught on. I'd imagine if he had he'd have upped the guilt tripping to 11 and kept up with the "I can't trust you, you're a bad friend" crap for the rest of our time together.
What did he say about his parents and his sister?
Also, did he ever try to get you to believe that your family had abused you? I'm creeped out that that is a reoccurring theme with him. Did he try to "rewrite" things from your past?
Not with me no. Might have taken a couple of steps down the beginning of that road, he did talk about them and try and frame a lot of bad shit as related to them, but I shut him down very quickly. Not wanting to criticize his other victims, that's just what happened.
While he lived with you, did he get the money for rent from his parents or did he work? Did they ever send him money?
I don't know, he had a couple of odd jobs on craigslist, a lot of which he'd actually drag us along to. For example there was a nice couple who wanted their garage cleaned out and said we could take all the stuff they didn't want. Sounded like work to him, so we came along. And then we sold it off, and then the money went missing soon after. Even at the time it was a point of contention that he couldn't pay rent but he could afford nail polish for his fucking Hunger Games cosplay. I don't know that his parents sent him money for rent, I know they paid for his flights home at Christmas but that's it.
Did you ever see him depressed? To me, he always seems to be "on". Like, very social, always doing projects and meta and fanfiction and events etc etc.
Yes. He mostly had those waily woe-is-me episodes for effect but a handful of times while I was living with him he was definitely what I'd describe as "down" for a day or so. Stayed in his room not communicating. They were nice days, I used them to do chores or watch TV in peace.
In Abbey's account there is a whole mythology around the channelling - calling himself the "mindhole", specific alternate dimensions that people were coming from (like the LOTR-verse, WWII England...), various "alters" who needed help working through their issues/saving the world...
I haven't seen such specific descriptions of his channelling in the DAYD cult; was he using a different mythology or using his alters differently by then, or was it pretty much exactly like Abbey describes and it's just that no ex-DAYD person has chosen to describe it at length like she did ?
Well see he was a lot more vague about it at first. There were just alternate personalities who were more or less the same as his fictional Dayd characters. And when something was inconsistent he'd just change it because they were his fictional characters.
Now later on he would say how these people were supposedly actually real and how he got all their memories and stories through some magical data dump (exact words) including the "dead" ones. Not an alternate dimension, supposedly this one. I don't know he expected to get away with that since many of his characters were supposed to be public figures and well google exists. But yeah his main shtick ended up being that he wasn't crazy, Dayd Harry Potter was real.
I suspect if I'm right about the other Daydian they would know more about this than me. Not because I didn't hear any of it, it just mostly went in one ear and out my arse you know?
What's the worst thing you saw Andy do while you were together?
Choices, choices... pick one from above or if you want something new; son of bitch insisted that I had some sort of psychic tapeworm from a gypsy curse, and the only way to fix it was to starve it by not eating. Oh yeah. The plot of Steven King's "Thinner." He pulled that on me, and that's how I didn't eat anything for three days. Like I've often said it was easier to just go along with him. I did just buy food and eat it when he wasn't looking though.
And I think that's all the questions cleaned up. Thank's FFA. It's been real.
Andy's ex-boyfriend claims he killed a rabbit & discusses their time together
(Anonymous) 2015-04-12 03:09 am (UTC)(link)http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/252558.html?thread=15291790#t15291790
Firstly, let me say hello to everyone here. I was alerted to these goings on by an anonymous post made to my LiveJournal a few days ago, still no clue who by. It simply reads:
"karma steamroller hath rolled and amy's playing days are numbered"
My name is Adrian. Aylnon to the online community and LiveJournal ring. I am the ex-boyfriend of our little friend Amy Player, and can tell you what I know from before all the Lord of the Rings, Bit of Earth, and other such events began.
It is my belief that Amy has always been a compulsive lyer. I met her back in 2001, after having just moved to the United States and enrolling in University. I took an interest in the theatre department there, and she and I met through working on a play. She was an extra and I was a stage hand. We hung out alot, began dating about a month later. In my time socializing with her, I became immune to the power of shock from learning of "coincidence". She delighted in informing me of so many things that were just within the realm of possibility, but outside expectation. It didn't take long though before I started being suspiscious of many things she'd said. She'd claimed her best friend's birthday was the same as mine, and while we'd all three been hanging out it had come up again. He'd seemed surprised and simply stated "My birthday isn't in June."
This happened more and more often, and I realized she was inventing so many small things as she believed I was awed by coincidences and loved to hear of them. I'd already been subject to many real ones from other goings on, she didn't want to be left out. But I also noted her inability to ever be wrong, and her cowardice at being challenged. She just couldn't handle being questioned, and elaborations flooded out. Time and time again her parents would accuse her of having made an error, which would be followed by a long drawn out story of how she'd tried so hard, but everything was stacked against her, and then we'd go someplace alone together and she'd cry into my shoulder about how evil and controlling her parents are. I started to believe it, something I now regret, despite that I never acted on such feelings.
I also posted a few times in her LJ referring to issues she felt passionate about, though my opinion did not agree with hers. These were quickly deleted and she very sheepishly asked me in person if it had been me, and would I please stop? Considering my feelings for her, I assured her I would and put it out of my mind. After reading a few "Wanks" as they're called around here, I've seen that she had labelled me the exact same way she had labelled her parents. Anything that is not putty to her hands she couldn't tollerate.
It was when she moved out of her home that I noticed everything going wrong. It would have been around early to mid 2002 to memory. She moved in with her cousin, walking distance from my house, and close to the university. So, as you could well imagine we spent even more time together. When that happens, when you let someone that close to you, you can't help but let things be seen. I watched as she fell apart. Before then, she'd been pretty normal. Yes, she lied instinctively, but she seemed on the whole a pretty normal person. We all have our shortcommings, so I just discarded it and trusted her. But when she moved out it all changed.
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/252558.html?thread=15292046#t15292046
She became apathetic about life, and broke down frequently about needing to leave. She started to eat whatever was available, instead of buying fresh food, so would consume ice cream with an inch layer of mould. When entrusted with the care of a rabbit, she ignored it, not feeding, nor watering, nor cleaning its cage, letting it die. This may have been deliberate, as she frequently hinted at her dislike towards the animal, simply because it was too big to be a normal rabbit.
Upon her return from Connexions she confronted be about her lesbianism, claiming someone had come up to her after a fan-fic reading and stuck her tongue down her throat. She'd protested, of course, but this had been the trigger, forcing her to spend her entire time locked away in her room "sitting on my hands" so as not to cheat on me, even by accident. My suspiscions of her flew through the roof when she'd started receiving phone calls which she'd go to great lengths of speaking only in whatever form of elvish she claimed it to be. Even more intriguing which I just remembered now, were the phone calls she got from someone, I believe was named Jordan, asking for Gabrielle. Gabrielle being her middle name, he would claim he knew she was really Amy, but that was how she introduced herself to him.
She finally moved to Washington D.C around July of 2002, and we broke up via telephone a month later. She gave a crying story of she'd gone for a walk and found the gay quarter of D.C and how she felt so alone and outcast despite our relationship, and she just wished she could be herself. I pulled the plug on us, and I have not heard from her to this day. Being that she'd munching on chips/pringles/whatever during the conversation, I didn't take too much to heart anymore.
It would've been about 2 or 3 months later when I met her cousin's ex-boyfriend who told me what had happened, about her dropping out of college, and moving to Oregan to be with Abbey. I'd still been trying to phone her to make sure she was doing ok (I still cared about her), but had never gotten through, so I didn't know anything about that. After a few quick readings of things online, her LJ, BoE, and such, I learned about all the tricks she'd managed to pull. Her fake suicide, the Mr. Frodo drama, etc. I followed on and off for a few months, checking sporadically here and there to see what was going on, but since Christmas of last year, and especially February I'd lost all interest, and chosen to forget it all in light that she's out of my life and I have new and better things to turn to.
The anonymous post I received rekindled my interest slightly, and though while nothing I found was terribly new or surprising, I can't help but admit I smiled to learn it's all crashing down around her. I do feel strong sympathy for her family, as she'd used and abused them, and they are truly good people with good hearts. That is my conclusion on them.
I just thought I'd provide some history on her from what I know. I regret to inform everyone it was I who introduced her to the Lord of the Rings (well, that's what she said), so I apologize to anyone who's been hurt by her, and I know how it feels. While we weren't officially engaged, we were basically promised to each other.
While I can understand people's thoughts of me being some "sock-puppet" or even a second invented persona as a scape goat, I'd like to assure people I harbour no sympathy towards Amy Player in this. She's done this to herself, and she must now face all consequences. I simply hope she faces for all things she's been guilty of, and doesn't escape with a simple small fine for saying she was just playing on the internet, nor claims insanity and gets off that way. Were she to claim insanity, I'd support that defense, so long as she was committed. Seems about the safest thing for her.
Well, that's my say, late as it may be to all this. So, there you have it. If anyone wishes to contact me, I'm more than happy to talk.
E-mail: renegade256@yahoo.com
AIM: Aylnon
Firstly, let me say hello to everyone here. I was alerted to these goings on by an anonymous post made to my LiveJournal a few days ago, still no clue who by. It simply reads:
"karma steamroller hath rolled and amy's playing days are numbered"
My name is Adrian. Aylnon to the online community and LiveJournal ring. I am the ex-boyfriend of our little friend Amy Player, and can tell you what I know from before all the Lord of the Rings, Bit of Earth, and other such events began.
It is my belief that Amy has always been a compulsive lyer. I met her back in 2001, after having just moved to the United States and enrolling in University. I took an interest in the theatre department there, and she and I met through working on a play. She was an extra and I was a stage hand. We hung out alot, began dating about a month later. In my time socializing with her, I became immune to the power of shock from learning of "coincidence". She delighted in informing me of so many things that were just within the realm of possibility, but outside expectation. It didn't take long though before I started being suspiscious of many things she'd said. She'd claimed her best friend's birthday was the same as mine, and while we'd all three been hanging out it had come up again. He'd seemed surprised and simply stated "My birthday isn't in June."
This happened more and more often, and I realized she was inventing so many small things as she believed I was awed by coincidences and loved to hear of them. I'd already been subject to many real ones from other goings on, she didn't want to be left out. But I also noted her inability to ever be wrong, and her cowardice at being challenged. She just couldn't handle being questioned, and elaborations flooded out. Time and time again her parents would accuse her of having made an error, which would be followed by a long drawn out story of how she'd tried so hard, but everything was stacked against her, and then we'd go someplace alone together and she'd cry into my shoulder about how evil and controlling her parents are. I started to believe it, something I now regret, despite that I never acted on such feelings.
I also posted a few times in her LJ referring to issues she felt passionate about, though my opinion did not agree with hers. These were quickly deleted and she very sheepishly asked me in person if it had been me, and would I please stop? Considering my feelings for her, I assured her I would and put it out of my mind. After reading a few "Wanks" as they're called around here, I've seen that she had labelled me the exact same way she had labelled her parents. Anything that is not putty to her hands she couldn't tollerate.
It was when she moved out of her home that I noticed everything going wrong. It would have been around early to mid 2002 to memory. She moved in with her cousin, walking distance from my house, and close to the university. So, as you could well imagine we spent even more time together. When that happens, when you let someone that close to you, you can't help but let things be seen. I watched as she fell apart. Before then, she'd been pretty normal. Yes, she lied instinctively, but she seemed on the whole a pretty normal person. We all have our shortcommings, so I just discarded it and trusted her. But when she moved out it all changed.
http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/252558.html?thread=15292046#t15292046
She became apathetic about life, and broke down frequently about needing to leave. She started to eat whatever was available, instead of buying fresh food, so would consume ice cream with an inch layer of mould. When entrusted with the care of a rabbit, she ignored it, not feeding, nor watering, nor cleaning its cage, letting it die. This may have been deliberate, as she frequently hinted at her dislike towards the animal, simply because it was too big to be a normal rabbit.
Upon her return from Connexions she confronted be about her lesbianism, claiming someone had come up to her after a fan-fic reading and stuck her tongue down her throat. She'd protested, of course, but this had been the trigger, forcing her to spend her entire time locked away in her room "sitting on my hands" so as not to cheat on me, even by accident. My suspiscions of her flew through the roof when she'd started receiving phone calls which she'd go to great lengths of speaking only in whatever form of elvish she claimed it to be. Even more intriguing which I just remembered now, were the phone calls she got from someone, I believe was named Jordan, asking for Gabrielle. Gabrielle being her middle name, he would claim he knew she was really Amy, but that was how she introduced herself to him.
She finally moved to Washington D.C around July of 2002, and we broke up via telephone a month later. She gave a crying story of she'd gone for a walk and found the gay quarter of D.C and how she felt so alone and outcast despite our relationship, and she just wished she could be herself. I pulled the plug on us, and I have not heard from her to this day. Being that she'd munching on chips/pringles/whatever during the conversation, I didn't take too much to heart anymore.
It would've been about 2 or 3 months later when I met her cousin's ex-boyfriend who told me what had happened, about her dropping out of college, and moving to Oregan to be with Abbey. I'd still been trying to phone her to make sure she was doing ok (I still cared about her), but had never gotten through, so I didn't know anything about that. After a few quick readings of things online, her LJ, BoE, and such, I learned about all the tricks she'd managed to pull. Her fake suicide, the Mr. Frodo drama, etc. I followed on and off for a few months, checking sporadically here and there to see what was going on, but since Christmas of last year, and especially February I'd lost all interest, and chosen to forget it all in light that she's out of my life and I have new and better things to turn to.
The anonymous post I received rekindled my interest slightly, and though while nothing I found was terribly new or surprising, I can't help but admit I smiled to learn it's all crashing down around her. I do feel strong sympathy for her family, as she'd used and abused them, and they are truly good people with good hearts. That is my conclusion on them.
I just thought I'd provide some history on her from what I know. I regret to inform everyone it was I who introduced her to the Lord of the Rings (well, that's what she said), so I apologize to anyone who's been hurt by her, and I know how it feels. While we weren't officially engaged, we were basically promised to each other.
While I can understand people's thoughts of me being some "sock-puppet" or even a second invented persona as a scape goat, I'd like to assure people I harbour no sympathy towards Amy Player in this. She's done this to herself, and she must now face all consequences. I simply hope she faces for all things she's been guilty of, and doesn't escape with a simple small fine for saying she was just playing on the internet, nor claims insanity and gets off that way. Were she to claim insanity, I'd support that defense, so long as she was committed. Seems about the safest thing for her.
Well, that's my say, late as it may be to all this. So, there you have it. If anyone wishes to contact me, I'm more than happy to talk.
E-mail: renegade256@yahoo.com
AIM: Aylnon
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/15551499874/i-can-fight-mountains-to-the-dust-for-the
I can fight mountains to the dust for the impossible. I can do anything for the big, mad dream against all odds. I can barely get out of bed for mediocrity. I would rather be surrounded by people determined to see me dead than by those content with doing being and pursuing nothing…in part because I would be less likely to be destroyed by it.
That is the biggest reason I couldn’t stay home. Not that the admired status quot and devout mediocrity was unbearable, but because I was afraid it would become so. A part of me always believed I might win the fight if they found out how unacceptable I was, but a bigger part was terrified that I would change to not need to. I can endure anything, I think, except apathy.
I can fight mountains to the dust for the impossible. I can do anything for the big, mad dream against all odds. I can barely get out of bed for mediocrity. I would rather be surrounded by people determined to see me dead than by those content with doing being and pursuing nothing…in part because I would be less likely to be destroyed by it.
That is the biggest reason I couldn’t stay home. Not that the admired status quot and devout mediocrity was unbearable, but because I was afraid it would become so. A part of me always believed I might win the fight if they found out how unacceptable I was, but a bigger part was terrified that I would change to not need to. I can endure anything, I think, except apathy.
Begit, aka how Andy profiles & takes pleasure in deceiving his victims
(Anonymous) 2015-04-12 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)References Andy's ex-boyfriend Adrian (among others) who publicly tells his story here:
http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=82520#cmt82520
This approximate time period is discussed by Andy (then Amy) in the VictoriaBitter LJ here:
http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=7768#cmt7768
Begit*
The edge of her lip caught vaguely like rubber between the tips of her teeth, a film of waxen colour and heavy, slick-sticky lipgloss piling on the hard ridge for her tongue to worry over. According to the label, it was supposed to be Rampagin’ Raspberry, a cubist parody of a lumpy purple fruit in holographic sunglasses that had glittered until she had picked them off in some waiting room somewhere. It didn’t taste like any berry she’d ever tasted, though, just a lingering whimper of artificial sweetness buried under garlic butter and that goddamned cinnamon gum.
He always tasted like gum. Big Red. She hated it, but she bought it for him. Always had a pack in her purse. He thought it was sweet of her, tipping his head and blushing and giving in to whatever whim he had been about to balk at. She hated the taste, but you couldn’t ask a better price than twenty-five cents a pack to give the impression of fawning, simpering, sighing, Hallmark card and Meg Ryan movie love.
A shift, a sigh, and his arm was over her now, the smell of cinnamon gum and baked ziti gusting too warm and too damp in her face. Twisting her head and wrinkling her nose only brought his arm tighter around him, and she could feel him against her back now, an uncomfortable cluster of joints and limbs and fur and various things that were too sticky to bear thinking about.
His lips against the back of her neck, nuzzling the short curls, and it was too much. She rolled over, curling her shoulders forward. A bit coquettish, a bit demure, but it did wonders for the fontal topography, so to speak, and more importantly, it kept her breasts away from any part of him. He’d had more than dinner and a movie’s worth of pawing already. A smile, half soft, half scolding, “What do you think you’re up to?”
Long lashes hung listlessly over a thin crescent of hazel, the wetness caught to an unnatural blue in the dim light of the screensaver happily building and destroying walls of something half a copyright lawsuit away from Lego across the room. “Mmm. Sheila.”
“Adrian,” Sharper, the name a rebuke to the guitar-fingered hand that had begun to trill down her waist. She sat up now, groping among the bedsheets until she found soft cotton among crisp linen, tugging the t-shirt over her head in a crackle of red hairspray. “Go back to sleep. Your sheila has to check her email.”
Blink. Grunt. A bitter smile twisted just beneath the surface of her lips. Jesus fucking Christ, you could almost see the neurons fizzling in there. “Three ‘n morning.”
He pushed up on one elbow now, but her hand was in the middle of his chest, pushing him down just hard enough to mean it, but swirling her fingertips just lightly enough across the skin that he didn’t protest. “I know, Angelboy, but there’s this girl I’m talking to, and she’s kind of…” Looking down, biting that spot now stripped bare of wax and left purely with the wet parchment texture of the flesh itself. Her voice lowered in a touch of regretful conspiracy, “…well, I think it’ll be bad if she doesn’t talk to me tonight. She’s really on an edge here.”
The neurons were still struggling valiantly to spark, but at least a handful, she assumed, must have managed to cough in unison, because he seemed reasonably amiable – albeit disappointed – as he tucked himself acquiescently deeper into the bedding. “Just make sure you get some sleep, softie.”
“‘Course I will, love.” A quick kiss to a dark head, and she swung her legs out of bed, hopping delicately across the chill of the wooden floor until she could tuck cold toes beneath crossed knees in the familiar nest of the computer chair’s plastic arms.
She had mail. Of course. She always had mail. A quick spatter of clicks across the now-steady rhythm of slumbering breath, and her fingers were reaching halfway across the globe.
They loved her new story. Nothing new there. Mostly the standard one-liner, but there were a few who seemed particularly generous and specific in their praise. Ones to watch. But she’d get to those later. It was hard enough catching up with people across timelines, and she wasn’t about to let all those ass-numbing hours go to waste. Her fingers rattled with expert speed, her face softening and her eyes widening as a door creaked welcome in the chat program’s narrow window.
Wolfie. Tea, cookies, the full BBC recording of Rings. Sheltered exploratory bisexual with incredible artistic gifts and no self-esteem that needs to be nurtured and pampered into properly liberal blossom before she is sucked into conformity by parental cruelty…
Orangeblossom. Web design, fangirl, possibly a free vacation, need more knowledge of financial situation. Confident artist and benevolent mentor, sensitive, previously abused lesbian with wide-ranging but esoteric knowledge, flirty, amazingly perceptive, lots of insider knowledge…
MsAllegro. Web hosting, action figures, autographs. Exploring heteroflexible with transgender and/or lesbian leanings, sassy, liberal, rampantly slashy, definitely thinks all the boys were doing it, and probably the girls too. Needs a little hand-holding, but given an inch, willing to explore a mile…
MissOverdone. Books, videos, antiques, costume pieces. Resolutely heterosexual but tolerant young Christian, loving fiancée, just peeking out of a conservative shell to reveal a brilliant inner slasher with a limitless well of untapped historical knowledge via a previous life lived as a gay sailor in Nelson’s navy…
Rhythmic chatter of keys punctuated with the falsetto click of the mouse. A chameleon courtesan’s glitter posing sweetly in pixels. Gifts and love and praise pouring through the screen in an opiate haze of approval all the sweeter for the skill called in tatting such delicate little frills of deception.
And she didn’t even have to smell gum on their breath.
NOTE FROM KUMQUATWRITER: *Begit, according to my Westron word list, means “acquire”
http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=82520#cmt82520
This approximate time period is discussed by Andy (then Amy) in the VictoriaBitter LJ here:
http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=7768#cmt7768
Begit*
The edge of her lip caught vaguely like rubber between the tips of her teeth, a film of waxen colour and heavy, slick-sticky lipgloss piling on the hard ridge for her tongue to worry over. According to the label, it was supposed to be Rampagin’ Raspberry, a cubist parody of a lumpy purple fruit in holographic sunglasses that had glittered until she had picked them off in some waiting room somewhere. It didn’t taste like any berry she’d ever tasted, though, just a lingering whimper of artificial sweetness buried under garlic butter and that goddamned cinnamon gum.
He always tasted like gum. Big Red. She hated it, but she bought it for him. Always had a pack in her purse. He thought it was sweet of her, tipping his head and blushing and giving in to whatever whim he had been about to balk at. She hated the taste, but you couldn’t ask a better price than twenty-five cents a pack to give the impression of fawning, simpering, sighing, Hallmark card and Meg Ryan movie love.
A shift, a sigh, and his arm was over her now, the smell of cinnamon gum and baked ziti gusting too warm and too damp in her face. Twisting her head and wrinkling her nose only brought his arm tighter around him, and she could feel him against her back now, an uncomfortable cluster of joints and limbs and fur and various things that were too sticky to bear thinking about.
His lips against the back of her neck, nuzzling the short curls, and it was too much. She rolled over, curling her shoulders forward. A bit coquettish, a bit demure, but it did wonders for the fontal topography, so to speak, and more importantly, it kept her breasts away from any part of him. He’d had more than dinner and a movie’s worth of pawing already. A smile, half soft, half scolding, “What do you think you’re up to?”
Long lashes hung listlessly over a thin crescent of hazel, the wetness caught to an unnatural blue in the dim light of the screensaver happily building and destroying walls of something half a copyright lawsuit away from Lego across the room. “Mmm. Sheila.”
“Adrian,” Sharper, the name a rebuke to the guitar-fingered hand that had begun to trill down her waist. She sat up now, groping among the bedsheets until she found soft cotton among crisp linen, tugging the t-shirt over her head in a crackle of red hairspray. “Go back to sleep. Your sheila has to check her email.”
Blink. Grunt. A bitter smile twisted just beneath the surface of her lips. Jesus fucking Christ, you could almost see the neurons fizzling in there. “Three ‘n morning.”
He pushed up on one elbow now, but her hand was in the middle of his chest, pushing him down just hard enough to mean it, but swirling her fingertips just lightly enough across the skin that he didn’t protest. “I know, Angelboy, but there’s this girl I’m talking to, and she’s kind of…” Looking down, biting that spot now stripped bare of wax and left purely with the wet parchment texture of the flesh itself. Her voice lowered in a touch of regretful conspiracy, “…well, I think it’ll be bad if she doesn’t talk to me tonight. She’s really on an edge here.”
The neurons were still struggling valiantly to spark, but at least a handful, she assumed, must have managed to cough in unison, because he seemed reasonably amiable – albeit disappointed – as he tucked himself acquiescently deeper into the bedding. “Just make sure you get some sleep, softie.”
“‘Course I will, love.” A quick kiss to a dark head, and she swung her legs out of bed, hopping delicately across the chill of the wooden floor until she could tuck cold toes beneath crossed knees in the familiar nest of the computer chair’s plastic arms.
She had mail. Of course. She always had mail. A quick spatter of clicks across the now-steady rhythm of slumbering breath, and her fingers were reaching halfway across the globe.
They loved her new story. Nothing new there. Mostly the standard one-liner, but there were a few who seemed particularly generous and specific in their praise. Ones to watch. But she’d get to those later. It was hard enough catching up with people across timelines, and she wasn’t about to let all those ass-numbing hours go to waste. Her fingers rattled with expert speed, her face softening and her eyes widening as a door creaked welcome in the chat program’s narrow window.
Wolfie. Tea, cookies, the full BBC recording of Rings. Sheltered exploratory bisexual with incredible artistic gifts and no self-esteem that needs to be nurtured and pampered into properly liberal blossom before she is sucked into conformity by parental cruelty…
Orangeblossom. Web design, fangirl, possibly a free vacation, need more knowledge of financial situation. Confident artist and benevolent mentor, sensitive, previously abused lesbian with wide-ranging but esoteric knowledge, flirty, amazingly perceptive, lots of insider knowledge…
MsAllegro. Web hosting, action figures, autographs. Exploring heteroflexible with transgender and/or lesbian leanings, sassy, liberal, rampantly slashy, definitely thinks all the boys were doing it, and probably the girls too. Needs a little hand-holding, but given an inch, willing to explore a mile…
MissOverdone. Books, videos, antiques, costume pieces. Resolutely heterosexual but tolerant young Christian, loving fiancée, just peeking out of a conservative shell to reveal a brilliant inner slasher with a limitless well of untapped historical knowledge via a previous life lived as a gay sailor in Nelson’s navy…
Rhythmic chatter of keys punctuated with the falsetto click of the mouse. A chameleon courtesan’s glitter posing sweetly in pixels. Gifts and love and praise pouring through the screen in an opiate haze of approval all the sweeter for the skill called in tatting such delicate little frills of deception.
And she didn’t even have to smell gum on their breath.
NOTE FROM KUMQUATWRITER: *Begit, according to my Westron word list, means “acquire”
Please understand that this is coming from a nonny and is a third party passing along something from a fourth
from never2late2hope
...because you have previously shown extreme indescretion in sharing private and flocked things. Three things beyond what I think Cfc is going to say.
1. Turimel needs to be called and called hard on continuing to have a website, blog, etc, that put, as Abbey says "it only a google away" that Andrew, his friends, and everything they've ever touched are scam artists out for your wallet. If she wants to maintain that he's out for your soul, that's her right. But she needs to print a serious retraction on both the thief accusations and gender bullshittery or she can no longer claim to be anything but a deranged personal vendetta utterly disconnected from fact.
2. I am bothered by many of the same things you are, but one over all others: the wide acknowledgement that this very young person was extremely mentally ill...but it's all totes his fault totes on purpose and it was ABSOLUTELY this strange web of cultish cultness rather than getting sucked into the strange internal world of a brilliantly charismatic but seriously mentally ill youth. WTF? Neurotypical ablist privlidge much? But ABBEY gets all kinds of leeway for being depressed at the time? And are you bothered at all by the indications all over the place that he was suffering as much as she was through all this, but that's apparently all either an act or something to be celebrated? I honestly kind of feel like Abbey is either very fucked up herself or since she is obviously very easily lead, has been swung by her well-meaning mother and psychologist from "Jordan is God" to "Jordan is Satan" with no middle ground of "You two just were such a clusterfuck of issues."
3. I have access, regarding the above, to very reliable sources regarding the mystery diagnosis. One would think a woman with a degree in psych and gender studies would have more charitable opinions towards severe gender disphoria leading to dissociative identity disorder comorbid with borderline personality disorder.
from never2late2hope
...because you have previously shown extreme indescretion in sharing private and flocked things. Three things beyond what I think Cfc is going to say.
1. Turimel needs to be called and called hard on continuing to have a website, blog, etc, that put, as Abbey says "it only a google away" that Andrew, his friends, and everything they've ever touched are scam artists out for your wallet. If she wants to maintain that he's out for your soul, that's her right. But she needs to print a serious retraction on both the thief accusations and gender bullshittery or she can no longer claim to be anything but a deranged personal vendetta utterly disconnected from fact.
2. I am bothered by many of the same things you are, but one over all others: the wide acknowledgement that this very young person was extremely mentally ill...but it's all totes his fault totes on purpose and it was ABSOLUTELY this strange web of cultish cultness rather than getting sucked into the strange internal world of a brilliantly charismatic but seriously mentally ill youth. WTF? Neurotypical ablist privlidge much? But ABBEY gets all kinds of leeway for being depressed at the time? And are you bothered at all by the indications all over the place that he was suffering as much as she was through all this, but that's apparently all either an act or something to be celebrated? I honestly kind of feel like Abbey is either very fucked up herself or since she is obviously very easily lead, has been swung by her well-meaning mother and psychologist from "Jordan is God" to "Jordan is Satan" with no middle ground of "You two just were such a clusterfuck of issues."
3. I have access, regarding the above, to very reliable sources regarding the mystery diagnosis. One would think a woman with a degree in psych and gender studies would have more charitable opinions towards severe gender disphoria leading to dissociative identity disorder comorbid with borderline personality disorder.
Re: Livejournal Messages sent to Necromommycon/Carlanime
(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)(no subject)
from ceirdwenfc
I'm going to unscreen your comment. Thank you for making it.
I'd like to ask you, since you have been on Turimel's journal and people know that, if you would offer something there to the wrongness of how when Turimel posted her eulogy, Brittany was maligned and victim-blamed as well as Turimel deciding facts that were fabrications (like who decided on a trip to NZ (that was Brittany)) as well as her offensive 'triple homicide' comments.
Her journal is something that really offends me, so thank you for speaking out today.
I am also slightly older and a mother (of 3).
Have a good week.
from ceirdwenfc
I'm going to unscreen your comment. Thank you for making it.
I'd like to ask you, since you have been on Turimel's journal and people know that, if you would offer something there to the wrongness of how when Turimel posted her eulogy, Brittany was maligned and victim-blamed as well as Turimel deciding facts that were fabrications (like who decided on a trip to NZ (that was Brittany)) as well as her offensive 'triple homicide' comments.
Her journal is something that really offends me, so thank you for speaking out today.
I am also slightly older and a mother (of 3).
Have a good week.
Re: Livejournal Messages sent to Necromommycon/Carlanime
(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 01:28 pm (UTC)(link)Brittany
from thanfiction
I've friended you on Livejournal, and I'm grateful that you friended me back.
I have a lot of anger at you for having sent one of my closest friends' eulogy - something I worked over with my other best friend, Cfc, for over a week after she died so that it would hopefully be eloquent and complete rather than a blithering ZOMFG - to a forum where you knew damned well it would be mocked and torn apart in the crudest, most hateful ways and that amazing woman would be reduced to at best "one of my deluded victims." Brittany was no one's victim. She even refused to be Jason's, and for that she was murdered.
She had left him almost a year before she met me, and had already decided before I knew her that she wasn't just going to walk out with her tail tucked. SHE decided to fight him for every penny of what SHE owned to make a statement that it was wrong for women to "count themselves lucky to just get out" because it sends a victim-blaming message and says they deserve to lose all they own. She was directed BY HER LAWYER to "reassert her right of residence" and move into one of the properties she owned. I literally never saw nor spoke to Jason Eisenberg before he had a gun in my face. What *I* did was move in with her AT HER LAWYER'S RECOMMENDATION so that she wouldn't be alone and nothing that happened would ever be two party hesaidshesaid. Sometimes I rode with her to the courthouse and held her hand while she filed papers and told her she was brave and amazing.
What *I* did was get her talking to her family again and got her to forgive her siblings and mother for siding with Jason because she'd been "a bad wife" by leaving (they're paternalistic dominionists, look it up), though SHE made the decision to finally say "no, Dad, walking out on my mother and nine children to live with your girlfriend and refuse child support is NOT God's will. What *I* did was call 911 when the shots were fired and try to give the SWAT team what they needed to get in hopefully in time to save her life. What *I* did was sit for 11 hours with the Fairfield PD being intensively interrogated, and then walked out without even being considered a person of interest; but now homeless, penniless, with no health care, a bullet in my ankle, no friends within 100 miles, and with her blood still on my pajama pants. I borrowed a phone from someone (mine was still with the cops) called Cfc, and decided then and there that since nothing was broken, goddamnit, I wasn't going to let Jason take what she'd been dreaming and planning; the hike across NZ to help our friend Dave Agnew's family and the rest of the Christchurch victims. However, without the backing of the church SHE had been working with, and with the cause no longer Christchurch, *I* moved it to the Trail of Tears, with the blessing of several Cherokee friends of mine who agreed with the symbolism of the silent, disenfranchised suffering of domestic violence victims as another rugswept atrocity.
Not that any of this mattered. Not that you asked me, Cfc, Ed, Kristin, Dave, or anyone else who actually knew Brittany for more information before you fed her - friendslocked! - eulogy to the wolves. Who called her a whore, a sucker, and worse. Who pitied poor, poor, cuckolded, tragic Jason. But there's no need to go into what they did. You know. You were with them on it, within a week of having been welcomed into the community you then turned on. Which I haven't kicked you out of or banned you from, because I want you to see what it is and isn't. I want you to be able to look through the posts. I want you to be able to go on Skype and the Facebook and talk to every Daydian you want to who knew Brittany, who's known me. Ask them how much money I've taken from them and how I've masterminded their lives and what a poor little malleable woobie Brittany was. Then let them tell you about who she really was and who we really are in the Daydverse.
One of the wisest pieces of advice I've ever been given is that although you can state the known actions of others, the moment you ascribe feelings, motives, or thoughts to anyone who has not told them to you directly, you are wrong. Because no one, and certainly no one with an agenda - and oh, yes, we all have agendas - can ever truly know what's in another person's head and heart. When you claim projected opinion of motive as fact, you are a liar.
I've friended you, because I believe that you've made a mistake and that mistakes are not the end of the world. I am also willing to answer, openly and honestly, anything you want to ask me, though I may put restrictions for the privacy of others and I would ask - and yes, actually, still trust you, believe it or not - not to post my answers anywhere or send them to anyone without my explicit permission.
But you owe Brittany one fucker of an apology.
Andrew
from thanfiction
I've friended you on Livejournal, and I'm grateful that you friended me back.
I have a lot of anger at you for having sent one of my closest friends' eulogy - something I worked over with my other best friend, Cfc, for over a week after she died so that it would hopefully be eloquent and complete rather than a blithering ZOMFG - to a forum where you knew damned well it would be mocked and torn apart in the crudest, most hateful ways and that amazing woman would be reduced to at best "one of my deluded victims." Brittany was no one's victim. She even refused to be Jason's, and for that she was murdered.
She had left him almost a year before she met me, and had already decided before I knew her that she wasn't just going to walk out with her tail tucked. SHE decided to fight him for every penny of what SHE owned to make a statement that it was wrong for women to "count themselves lucky to just get out" because it sends a victim-blaming message and says they deserve to lose all they own. She was directed BY HER LAWYER to "reassert her right of residence" and move into one of the properties she owned. I literally never saw nor spoke to Jason Eisenberg before he had a gun in my face. What *I* did was move in with her AT HER LAWYER'S RECOMMENDATION so that she wouldn't be alone and nothing that happened would ever be two party hesaidshesaid. Sometimes I rode with her to the courthouse and held her hand while she filed papers and told her she was brave and amazing.
What *I* did was get her talking to her family again and got her to forgive her siblings and mother for siding with Jason because she'd been "a bad wife" by leaving (they're paternalistic dominionists, look it up), though SHE made the decision to finally say "no, Dad, walking out on my mother and nine children to live with your girlfriend and refuse child support is NOT God's will. What *I* did was call 911 when the shots were fired and try to give the SWAT team what they needed to get in hopefully in time to save her life. What *I* did was sit for 11 hours with the Fairfield PD being intensively interrogated, and then walked out without even being considered a person of interest; but now homeless, penniless, with no health care, a bullet in my ankle, no friends within 100 miles, and with her blood still on my pajama pants. I borrowed a phone from someone (mine was still with the cops) called Cfc, and decided then and there that since nothing was broken, goddamnit, I wasn't going to let Jason take what she'd been dreaming and planning; the hike across NZ to help our friend Dave Agnew's family and the rest of the Christchurch victims. However, without the backing of the church SHE had been working with, and with the cause no longer Christchurch, *I* moved it to the Trail of Tears, with the blessing of several Cherokee friends of mine who agreed with the symbolism of the silent, disenfranchised suffering of domestic violence victims as another rugswept atrocity.
Not that any of this mattered. Not that you asked me, Cfc, Ed, Kristin, Dave, or anyone else who actually knew Brittany for more information before you fed her - friendslocked! - eulogy to the wolves. Who called her a whore, a sucker, and worse. Who pitied poor, poor, cuckolded, tragic Jason. But there's no need to go into what they did. You know. You were with them on it, within a week of having been welcomed into the community you then turned on. Which I haven't kicked you out of or banned you from, because I want you to see what it is and isn't. I want you to be able to look through the posts. I want you to be able to go on Skype and the Facebook and talk to every Daydian you want to who knew Brittany, who's known me. Ask them how much money I've taken from them and how I've masterminded their lives and what a poor little malleable woobie Brittany was. Then let them tell you about who she really was and who we really are in the Daydverse.
One of the wisest pieces of advice I've ever been given is that although you can state the known actions of others, the moment you ascribe feelings, motives, or thoughts to anyone who has not told them to you directly, you are wrong. Because no one, and certainly no one with an agenda - and oh, yes, we all have agendas - can ever truly know what's in another person's head and heart. When you claim projected opinion of motive as fact, you are a liar.
I've friended you, because I believe that you've made a mistake and that mistakes are not the end of the world. I am also willing to answer, openly and honestly, anything you want to ask me, though I may put restrictions for the privacy of others and I would ask - and yes, actually, still trust you, believe it or not - not to post my answers anywhere or send them to anyone without my explicit permission.
But you owe Brittany one fucker of an apology.
Andrew
Re: Livejournal Messages sent to Necromommycon/Carlanime
(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)Two more things...
from thanfiction
In case you've been wondering why I haven't ever tried to tell MY side of things ala Abbey? I'm attaching an exchange I was forwarded this morning, and yes, I did give that person permission to share my diagnosis with you. My medicated, treated, 5 year old diagnosis. And feel free to ask Laura or Kristin their side of the story. It won't look familiar.
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Andrew Blake
To: "ceirdwenfc@yahoo.com"
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:50 PM
Subject: Tis the day for LJ forwards
I just got sent these two messages:
Page 1 of 1
The original message she is replying to from never2late2hope
You don't know me
sent to turimel
But I'm the anon from Fandom Wank Reports who is the gender studies psych specialist in the Denver area, and I've been watching the recent developments in this entire saga with levels of hope for humanity that have several times moved me to tears. A month ago, all points on this chessboard seemed utterly, immovably set in stone, but now, everyone has proven to be wrong about everyone else, including things as seemingly basic as your belief that A. was in it for the money and celebrities.
Watching the reconcilliation process happening not only with you, Abbey, and Cherie between the three of you but within the three of you as individuals, I have been increasingly entertaining an idea that seemed crazy when I first had it, but now maybe not so much. It would not be difficult for me to get in touch with the missing party to this saga.
However, while I'd like nothing more than to continue the collective healing, I have no intention of propigating wank or feeding anyone to the pitchfork mob. Before I even try to make contact, I have several questions.
1. Do you, Abbey, or Cherie have any interest whatsoever in actually hearing from this person and trying to resolve anything with them, or would it entirely be "come here so we can eat you"?
2. Would you be willing to respect their expressed gender identity?
3. Would you be willing to have at least the initial phases of the conversation in private and keep them private until/unless permission was granted to release them, or would every bit of everything have to be open to the public?
Personally, I think it's obvious that no amount of internet hounding is going to change anything with them. I think it's equally obvious that they need serious psychiatric help and that there are flickers of talent and even good in among all the disaster. My hope is that if things could be resolved with you as they are being resolved with Abbey, I might be able to talk them into the idea that it is safe to step away from the layers of lies and get help. And then the danger that they do pose could be actually neutralized rather than helplessly shouted about. Obviously, though, the choice is yours. I await your reply.
Anne O'Nymous
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You need to be aware of the level of crazy and seriously consider a restraining order. from never2late2hope
--- turimel wrote:
> Argh... I just had a long message going and accidentally hit delete. Crap!
> > Well, to tell it all again: Thanks for writing. I don't read FW anymore and I don't even know what FW Reports is, so you're 100% right in saying I don't know you. But I get anon letters all the time, so that doesn't flap me in the slightest. :-)
> > I appreciate the sentiment behind your efforts, but dude, I gotta tell ya, I just don't think it can happen. Amy belongs behind bars. Just like Ted Bundy and Charles Manson. I'm absolutely sure she has a major personality disorder, in the sociopathic class. Those disorders are NOTORIOUSLY hard to treat. I honestly believe she's not capable of getting better.
> > I had never encountered a real life sociopath until I met "Jordan." I'd never truly grasped what the textbooks said when they described sociopaths as "people who can mimic genuine emotion but have no remorse or conscience." It's just incomprehensible that someone could act so kind and generous and NOT MEAN IT. Or that they could act that way WHILE planning to harm you/control you/rip you off!!
> > I'm quite sure that if Amy contacted us, she would say any number of "appropriate" things--she'd be contrite, apologetic, whatever--and mean not one word of it. It will just be more of the same old crap for her.
> > You have to understand--I caught "Jordan" in lies back when we were still friends. I told "him," "Lies aren't acceptable. If you lie to me again, we are DONE." Days later, "Jordan" came to me, asking me to foot the bill for $70,000 worth of air travel for celebrities, because Air NZ had screwed "him." I assume you've read the LJ or the book; you know what a whopper that was.
> > I already gave Amy her chance, and she utterly, utterly blew it.
> > But I also gave her ANOTHER chance. If you've ever read Amy's fauxpology from, I think it was 2007 or so, my response is right there too. I told her I didn't trust her, but I would give her a chance to prove herself. I also asked which pronouns she'd prefer, and she said "Masculine."
> > I used "young man" with Amy up until the point that I realized she was lying AGAIN! The whole apology was bullshit. And JUST NOW I found out why she did it: according to Abbey's blog, that was "Jordan's" attempt to terrorize Abbey one more time. Abbye's mom had rescued her, taken her home, slammed her ass into therapy, and Abbey was finally realizing just how badly "Jordan" had ruined her life. "Jordan" hoped that by provoking the online hornet's nest with this big Come to Jesus apology, that would turn the online tide against Abbey and she'd come running home to "him" because she was sure everyone else in the world hated her.
> > That is So. Fucking. SICK. But it demonstrates even more eloquently just how horrible this "person" is. "Andy" isn't a man trapped in a woman's body. "Andy" is a reptile trapped in a human's body.
> > Can you even imagine, Anne O. Nonymous, what it was like to have Jason E. come in and murder people right in the next room??? Have you ever seen a human body that has been shot open? Seen the amount of blood that comes out of a bullet wound to the head? It's HORRIBLE!!!! This is the kind of thing that gives people PTSD that lasts for years. But "Andy" walked right out of there, got online, and wrote that sickening "eulogy" in which "he" bragged about "himself" at the expense of Brittany's memory--without a shred of remorse or grief to be found.
> > Dood. Have I convinced you yet that there is nothing me or Abbey or Cherie can do, to help Amy Player?
> > As far as I'm concerned, I've given Amy all the chances she's gonna get. WAY more than she deserved. I will never believe a word that person says, ever again.
> > Abbey has blogged eloquently about how "Jordan" used textbook techniques to control her, like sleep deprivation, isolation, etc. If people at Gitmo used those techniques on prisoners, they'd be court martialed for torture! I don't know if Abbey has it within her heart to come to some sort of terms with "Jordan," but I'll tell ya what--I'M not going to offer her the chance. I think that, given "Jordan's" extraordinary control over this woman in the past, it would be an outrageous cruelty to invite her to get back in touch with "Jordan." I think "Jordan" would instantly start up the mind games with her, test her newfound strength, etc. Abbey may be able to weather that challenge, but she also might regress. I just don't think there's any usefulness in putting her through that.
> > You are of course welcome to invite Abbey if you wish. But I won't be a part of it, because I think it's a BAD IDEA.
> > Same goes for Cherie, except even more so. She is a lot more fragile than Abbey, and she's never sought therapy to help herself. We're all working on her to stop beating herself up about the things she did.
> > As for the gender respect: Fuck, no. Amy's a liar. The fact that she made a heartfelt claim to be TG means, IMHO, that she's NOT TG. Because if she really was TG, she would never have said so. Because she NEVER tells the truth. Heh, I'll make a deal: If Amy ever promises, and keeps this promise, to respect the TRUTH, then I'll respect whatever pronoun she asks for.
> > I know that sounds all bitchy and hardass, but dude... Amy has burned me more than any other human being on the planet ever has. By a LONG SHOT. Amy has burned EVERYONE SHE HAS EVER KNOWN. No one can meet her halfway on anything--because she doesn't BUDGE. You give, she takes, period, end of sentence.
> > I have one last mole in the DAYD camp, who explained to me that "Andy" originally set Kristin up with "lonelyflutterby"--convinced them that they were meant to be together because of some connection on the astral plane or some shit like that. These women tried to adjust their sexuality according to "Andy's" advising and were going to get married. Then the hike happened, and "Andy" decided that no, actually, Ed and Kristin were meant to be together. Now they're married. Ed's what, 20 years old? Married to a woman he met what, 2 months ago? While under the influence of a KNOWN charismatic sociopath? Dude, how healthy of a marriage does that sound? Think they're in for a lifetime of happiness? Um, I don't even have a crystal ball but I see a divorce in the near future. Let's just hope "Andy" doesn't command them to have a kid before that.
> > I think if you can contact Amy, your best bet would be to advise her to turn herself in to the police, get herself set up in jail, where she can manipulate and control the other prisoners for the rest of her life. She'd be in heaven, and she'd stop putting decent people in hell. Sounds like a win-win to me.
> > That's my $.02.
> Cheers,
> J.
from thanfiction
In case you've been wondering why I haven't ever tried to tell MY side of things ala Abbey? I'm attaching an exchange I was forwarded this morning, and yes, I did give that person permission to share my diagnosis with you. My medicated, treated, 5 year old diagnosis. And feel free to ask Laura or Kristin their side of the story. It won't look familiar.
----- Forwarded Message -----
From: Andrew Blake
To: "ceirdwenfc@yahoo.com"
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:50 PM
Subject: Tis the day for LJ forwards
I just got sent these two messages:
Page 1 of 1
The original message she is replying to from never2late2hope
You don't know me
sent to turimel
But I'm the anon from Fandom Wank Reports who is the gender studies psych specialist in the Denver area, and I've been watching the recent developments in this entire saga with levels of hope for humanity that have several times moved me to tears. A month ago, all points on this chessboard seemed utterly, immovably set in stone, but now, everyone has proven to be wrong about everyone else, including things as seemingly basic as your belief that A. was in it for the money and celebrities.
Watching the reconcilliation process happening not only with you, Abbey, and Cherie between the three of you but within the three of you as individuals, I have been increasingly entertaining an idea that seemed crazy when I first had it, but now maybe not so much. It would not be difficult for me to get in touch with the missing party to this saga.
However, while I'd like nothing more than to continue the collective healing, I have no intention of propigating wank or feeding anyone to the pitchfork mob. Before I even try to make contact, I have several questions.
1. Do you, Abbey, or Cherie have any interest whatsoever in actually hearing from this person and trying to resolve anything with them, or would it entirely be "come here so we can eat you"?
2. Would you be willing to respect their expressed gender identity?
3. Would you be willing to have at least the initial phases of the conversation in private and keep them private until/unless permission was granted to release them, or would every bit of everything have to be open to the public?
Personally, I think it's obvious that no amount of internet hounding is going to change anything with them. I think it's equally obvious that they need serious psychiatric help and that there are flickers of talent and even good in among all the disaster. My hope is that if things could be resolved with you as they are being resolved with Abbey, I might be able to talk them into the idea that it is safe to step away from the layers of lies and get help. And then the danger that they do pose could be actually neutralized rather than helplessly shouted about. Obviously, though, the choice is yours. I await your reply.
Anne O'Nymous
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You need to be aware of the level of crazy and seriously consider a restraining order. from never2late2hope
--- turimel wrote:
> Argh... I just had a long message going and accidentally hit delete. Crap!
> > Well, to tell it all again: Thanks for writing. I don't read FW anymore and I don't even know what FW Reports is, so you're 100% right in saying I don't know you. But I get anon letters all the time, so that doesn't flap me in the slightest. :-)
> > I appreciate the sentiment behind your efforts, but dude, I gotta tell ya, I just don't think it can happen. Amy belongs behind bars. Just like Ted Bundy and Charles Manson. I'm absolutely sure she has a major personality disorder, in the sociopathic class. Those disorders are NOTORIOUSLY hard to treat. I honestly believe she's not capable of getting better.
> > I had never encountered a real life sociopath until I met "Jordan." I'd never truly grasped what the textbooks said when they described sociopaths as "people who can mimic genuine emotion but have no remorse or conscience." It's just incomprehensible that someone could act so kind and generous and NOT MEAN IT. Or that they could act that way WHILE planning to harm you/control you/rip you off!!
> > I'm quite sure that if Amy contacted us, she would say any number of "appropriate" things--she'd be contrite, apologetic, whatever--and mean not one word of it. It will just be more of the same old crap for her.
> > You have to understand--I caught "Jordan" in lies back when we were still friends. I told "him," "Lies aren't acceptable. If you lie to me again, we are DONE." Days later, "Jordan" came to me, asking me to foot the bill for $70,000 worth of air travel for celebrities, because Air NZ had screwed "him." I assume you've read the LJ or the book; you know what a whopper that was.
> > I already gave Amy her chance, and she utterly, utterly blew it.
> > But I also gave her ANOTHER chance. If you've ever read Amy's fauxpology from, I think it was 2007 or so, my response is right there too. I told her I didn't trust her, but I would give her a chance to prove herself. I also asked which pronouns she'd prefer, and she said "Masculine."
> > I used "young man" with Amy up until the point that I realized she was lying AGAIN! The whole apology was bullshit. And JUST NOW I found out why she did it: according to Abbey's blog, that was "Jordan's" attempt to terrorize Abbey one more time. Abbye's mom had rescued her, taken her home, slammed her ass into therapy, and Abbey was finally realizing just how badly "Jordan" had ruined her life. "Jordan" hoped that by provoking the online hornet's nest with this big Come to Jesus apology, that would turn the online tide against Abbey and she'd come running home to "him" because she was sure everyone else in the world hated her.
> > That is So. Fucking. SICK. But it demonstrates even more eloquently just how horrible this "person" is. "Andy" isn't a man trapped in a woman's body. "Andy" is a reptile trapped in a human's body.
> > Can you even imagine, Anne O. Nonymous, what it was like to have Jason E. come in and murder people right in the next room??? Have you ever seen a human body that has been shot open? Seen the amount of blood that comes out of a bullet wound to the head? It's HORRIBLE!!!! This is the kind of thing that gives people PTSD that lasts for years. But "Andy" walked right out of there, got online, and wrote that sickening "eulogy" in which "he" bragged about "himself" at the expense of Brittany's memory--without a shred of remorse or grief to be found.
> > Dood. Have I convinced you yet that there is nothing me or Abbey or Cherie can do, to help Amy Player?
> > As far as I'm concerned, I've given Amy all the chances she's gonna get. WAY more than she deserved. I will never believe a word that person says, ever again.
> > Abbey has blogged eloquently about how "Jordan" used textbook techniques to control her, like sleep deprivation, isolation, etc. If people at Gitmo used those techniques on prisoners, they'd be court martialed for torture! I don't know if Abbey has it within her heart to come to some sort of terms with "Jordan," but I'll tell ya what--I'M not going to offer her the chance. I think that, given "Jordan's" extraordinary control over this woman in the past, it would be an outrageous cruelty to invite her to get back in touch with "Jordan." I think "Jordan" would instantly start up the mind games with her, test her newfound strength, etc. Abbey may be able to weather that challenge, but she also might regress. I just don't think there's any usefulness in putting her through that.
> > You are of course welcome to invite Abbey if you wish. But I won't be a part of it, because I think it's a BAD IDEA.
> > Same goes for Cherie, except even more so. She is a lot more fragile than Abbey, and she's never sought therapy to help herself. We're all working on her to stop beating herself up about the things she did.
> > As for the gender respect: Fuck, no. Amy's a liar. The fact that she made a heartfelt claim to be TG means, IMHO, that she's NOT TG. Because if she really was TG, she would never have said so. Because she NEVER tells the truth. Heh, I'll make a deal: If Amy ever promises, and keeps this promise, to respect the TRUTH, then I'll respect whatever pronoun she asks for.
> > I know that sounds all bitchy and hardass, but dude... Amy has burned me more than any other human being on the planet ever has. By a LONG SHOT. Amy has burned EVERYONE SHE HAS EVER KNOWN. No one can meet her halfway on anything--because she doesn't BUDGE. You give, she takes, period, end of sentence.
> > I have one last mole in the DAYD camp, who explained to me that "Andy" originally set Kristin up with "lonelyflutterby"--convinced them that they were meant to be together because of some connection on the astral plane or some shit like that. These women tried to adjust their sexuality according to "Andy's" advising and were going to get married. Then the hike happened, and "Andy" decided that no, actually, Ed and Kristin were meant to be together. Now they're married. Ed's what, 20 years old? Married to a woman he met what, 2 months ago? While under the influence of a KNOWN charismatic sociopath? Dude, how healthy of a marriage does that sound? Think they're in for a lifetime of happiness? Um, I don't even have a crystal ball but I see a divorce in the near future. Let's just hope "Andy" doesn't command them to have a kid before that.
> > I think if you can contact Amy, your best bet would be to advise her to turn herself in to the police, get herself set up in jail, where she can manipulate and control the other prisoners for the rest of her life. She'd be in heaven, and she'd stop putting decent people in hell. Sounds like a win-win to me.
> > That's my $.02.
> Cheers,
> J.
Re: Livejournal Messages sent to Necromommycon/Carlanime
(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)Re: Brittany
from thanfiction
> Andy, you don't have to be grateful. I don't expect us to become best buds or anything; I just thought it fair to offer you a chance to see the progression of my opinions regarding you, which you can if you look back through a handful of posts. I'm entirely fine with it if you'd like to do that and then mutually defriend. I have no expectations that livejournal "friending" means anything beyond "this looks interesting."
I don't intend for us to be BFFs either, but I've made a principle of "if you ACTUALLY want to know rather than make a big public scandal and try to crucify me for it, I'll tell you." And that does apply to you. You didn't trumpet the diagnosis all over your LJ. You've been very civil and rational in your interactions with my best friend. If you SWEAR to keep it COMPLETELY private, you can have the full story from my side if you want it.
> I dislike, on principle, "apologies" that go, "I'm sorry if you were offended," but here I am, having to offer one. I am sorry you feel I owe Brittany an apology. I respectfully disagree. Brittany was, presumably, a well-rounded, complex individual; it does not offend her, or the memory of her, if a complete stranger thought your eulogy rang false.
What bothers me isn't that it rang false to you. I knew that was quite possible. Cfc and I worked for a week on that eulogy because it was so painful that I couldn't write about it without just shutting down and sobbing until she pointed out "you write about worse all the time. Just separate yourself from it and write about it like it was a one-shot that happened to some of your characters." I knew that it resulted in me writing with my "fiction voice," but I felt that was better than saying nothing about it at all. What hurt wasn't that. It was that you took it from a community of her friends and posted it to someone that you had every reason to know wouldn't respond with anything close to compassion for the fact that a real person had died and would just use it to further her own screaming vendetta.
> I haven't had a chance to google the bits of your diagnosis (I intend to at least wiki them, so I have *some* idea what we're talking about here), but I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that at least one of them is some sort of affective disorder. Because--and I'm sure I'm not the first to say so--dude: you have an affective disorder.
I'm aware of this. Medication and treatment has put it very much more under control - I at least can control when I 'switch' now, and some of the other issues are much more manageable. But when I'm under extreme stress, it's still pretty bad. Like I said, I'll share more if you want and promise to keep it confidential. There's a difference between what you're ashamed of and what you don't want in a public forum that's predisposed to consider you the antichrist.
Thank you for being a decent human being
-- Andy
from thanfiction
> Andy, you don't have to be grateful. I don't expect us to become best buds or anything; I just thought it fair to offer you a chance to see the progression of my opinions regarding you, which you can if you look back through a handful of posts. I'm entirely fine with it if you'd like to do that and then mutually defriend. I have no expectations that livejournal "friending" means anything beyond "this looks interesting."
I don't intend for us to be BFFs either, but I've made a principle of "if you ACTUALLY want to know rather than make a big public scandal and try to crucify me for it, I'll tell you." And that does apply to you. You didn't trumpet the diagnosis all over your LJ. You've been very civil and rational in your interactions with my best friend. If you SWEAR to keep it COMPLETELY private, you can have the full story from my side if you want it.
> I dislike, on principle, "apologies" that go, "I'm sorry if you were offended," but here I am, having to offer one. I am sorry you feel I owe Brittany an apology. I respectfully disagree. Brittany was, presumably, a well-rounded, complex individual; it does not offend her, or the memory of her, if a complete stranger thought your eulogy rang false.
What bothers me isn't that it rang false to you. I knew that was quite possible. Cfc and I worked for a week on that eulogy because it was so painful that I couldn't write about it without just shutting down and sobbing until she pointed out "you write about worse all the time. Just separate yourself from it and write about it like it was a one-shot that happened to some of your characters." I knew that it resulted in me writing with my "fiction voice," but I felt that was better than saying nothing about it at all. What hurt wasn't that. It was that you took it from a community of her friends and posted it to someone that you had every reason to know wouldn't respond with anything close to compassion for the fact that a real person had died and would just use it to further her own screaming vendetta.
> I haven't had a chance to google the bits of your diagnosis (I intend to at least wiki them, so I have *some* idea what we're talking about here), but I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that at least one of them is some sort of affective disorder. Because--and I'm sure I'm not the first to say so--dude: you have an affective disorder.
I'm aware of this. Medication and treatment has put it very much more under control - I at least can control when I 'switch' now, and some of the other issues are much more manageable. But when I'm under extreme stress, it's still pretty bad. Like I said, I'll share more if you want and promise to keep it confidential. There's a difference between what you're ashamed of and what you don't want in a public forum that's predisposed to consider you the antichrist.
Thank you for being a decent human being
-- Andy
Re: Livejournal Messages sent to Necromommycon/Carlanime
(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)Re: Brittany
from thanfiction
--- necromommycon wrote:
> I think at some point, if you are still so inclined, I will ask for--well, probably not the FULL story, as that must be of epic length by now. But at least, you know, more of it.
Whenever and how much ever you feel comfortable with. I'd rather those who are actually interested in the truth rather than the scandal know it than not. In large part so that they're perhaps more compassionate when they run into other people who have really severe mental illness.
> I am sorry, Andy.
Thank you. Forgiven. Moving on ;)
> You know, on a lighter note, I think part of me was disappointed that you didn't turn out to be a criminal mastermind. That would have been easier to react to, plus awfully interesting. :D In retrospect, your failure to move on to bank heists was the first clue that perhaps there was more to the story.
I know, right? I mean, "Catch Me If You Can" is so much cooler than "The United States of Tara." It's long been a joke among my friends and I that if I'm such a really amazing brilliant genius con artist criminal mastermind...why do I suck at it so much? I mean, honestly, I've wound up in the red on every single endeavor AND any three year old could come up with better scams. Yet I'm supposedly someone who'd put chills up Moriarty's spine. It'd be so much cooler to be a criminal mastermind. Maybe I'd have more than a cucumber in my fridge right now if I was. :D
-- Andy
PS: Talking like grownups. This is really quite a nice thing. More people should try it.
from thanfiction
--- necromommycon wrote:
> I think at some point, if you are still so inclined, I will ask for--well, probably not the FULL story, as that must be of epic length by now. But at least, you know, more of it.
Whenever and how much ever you feel comfortable with. I'd rather those who are actually interested in the truth rather than the scandal know it than not. In large part so that they're perhaps more compassionate when they run into other people who have really severe mental illness.
> I am sorry, Andy.
Thank you. Forgiven. Moving on ;)
> You know, on a lighter note, I think part of me was disappointed that you didn't turn out to be a criminal mastermind. That would have been easier to react to, plus awfully interesting. :D In retrospect, your failure to move on to bank heists was the first clue that perhaps there was more to the story.
I know, right? I mean, "Catch Me If You Can" is so much cooler than "The United States of Tara." It's long been a joke among my friends and I that if I'm such a really amazing brilliant genius con artist criminal mastermind...why do I suck at it so much? I mean, honestly, I've wound up in the red on every single endeavor AND any three year old could come up with better scams. Yet I'm supposedly someone who'd put chills up Moriarty's spine. It'd be so much cooler to be a criminal mastermind. Maybe I'd have more than a cucumber in my fridge right now if I was. :D
-- Andy
PS: Talking like grownups. This is really quite a nice thing. More people should try it.
Re: Livejournal Messages sent to Necromommycon/Carlanime
(Anonymous) 2015-04-13 01:32 pm (UTC)(link)Re: Brittany
from thanfiction
--- necromommycon wrote:
> Aha. I've been busted: "Catch Me If You Can" is one of my favourite things ever, and I have a serious Abagnale crush.
Fair enough. He was kind of awesome in a very twisted way. I honestly sometimes wonder how much of the character Turimel has invented around me is based on him.
> But I shall contain my disappointment that you are not, alas, running the scam of the century.
Alas, no. But I do run a pretty kickass kitchen, so there are plenty of recipes to gack and lots of foodie talk if that makes up for it at all. Also Daydverse and Glee and LGBT and Domestic Violence stuff.
> That reminds me, though: I do owe you thanks for, however inadvertantly, inspiring a character in this thing I'm trying to write.
LOL, thanks! I don't think I've ever seen any of your writing. Obviously, you've seen a lot of mine. Do you fic?
Andy
from thanfiction
--- necromommycon wrote:
> Aha. I've been busted: "Catch Me If You Can" is one of my favourite things ever, and I have a serious Abagnale crush.
Fair enough. He was kind of awesome in a very twisted way. I honestly sometimes wonder how much of the character Turimel has invented around me is based on him.
> But I shall contain my disappointment that you are not, alas, running the scam of the century.
Alas, no. But I do run a pretty kickass kitchen, so there are plenty of recipes to gack and lots of foodie talk if that makes up for it at all. Also Daydverse and Glee and LGBT and Domestic Violence stuff.
> That reminds me, though: I do owe you thanks for, however inadvertantly, inspiring a character in this thing I'm trying to write.
LOL, thanks! I don't think I've ever seen any of your writing. Obviously, you've seen a lot of mine. Do you fic?
Andy
From Turimel's LJ. I'm not including Turi's comments; this is to preserve Andy's words. The source is supposed to be from a Skype chat in 2011. The identity of "Amy" is confusing - I can't tell whether "Amy" is Andy's evil sister, or just some random stranger who is responsible for all the Bit of Earth stuff.
http://turimel.livejournal.com/105515.html
FAN 1: I hope I'm not opening old wounds but what's the story about Andy being a scammer of some sort?
FAN 2: Long story short (too late) Andy's sister and a vengeful ex attempted to connect Andy with a female scam artist who'd caused a bit of a scandal in Lord of the Rings fandom a few years ago. Some still believe that Andy and this Amy are one and the same.
***
ANDREW BLAKE: Back in the spring of 2008, I had a three week online flirtation with a woman named Shannon, who goes by Luvscharlie online. She seemed sweet enough at first, btu then I got very uncomfortable with her obsession with porn, with being the "perviest" and "kinkiest" in her circle of friends, with fandom popularity, and the extent to which she neglected her daughter for fandom. I ended the relationship, and she persued, and she acted like I'd left her at the friggin' altar when I said No Means No. So a year and a half later, one of her friends of friends who writes Supernatural real-person slash porn gets in a fandom scandal, and several other juicy fandom scandals from years past are referenced, including the "Great VB/TentMoot debacle". Never not wanting to be In The Know, Shannon hunts it up, and notices a resemblance between me and this "VB." Half hoping that it is me and she can make my life hell, not caring if it isn't because it'll make my life hell anyway, she sends my Twitpic address and all other info she can find on me to Turimel and says that the Great Con Artist Has Been Found.
Turimel has two options: She can say that yes, there's a resemblance, but there's really no other evidence beyond state of birth and look connecting the two, and further investigation would be required to make sure it wasn't a sibling, cousin, or coincidence... or she can go howling into the middle of fandom shrieking that all the mockery of her before for being a lunatic was wrong because here is PROOF that VB's AT IT AGAIN because her latest scamming scam of scamdom is PRETENDING TO BE MALE and inviting people out to DC for something called "Daydcon" which we all KNOW will just be a ruse to sell thousands of fake tickets and run cackling into the night with money!!!
We all know what she chose.
And then she got laughed out of Harry Potter when the Big Scam Convention turned out to be, well, Daydcon. There was a lot of"wow, this whole thing is freaky," but then the world moved on and left her sulking and embarrassed. She's had a year and a half to stew, and then she gets another "opportunity," this time to prove that no, she's not a paranoid obsessive loser, I Really Killed People This Time ZOMG!
An here we all are, and she's wrong again, and she'll be shown up as wrong again, and she'll go off sulking into her corner, and three years from now some troll will send her word that I've had or adopted a kid, and she'll find some cute baby-in-bath pictures and start shrieking that My Latest Scam Is Child Porn. It's how she rolls.
I've had people who actually want to kill me, who have killed people before with no compunction, for things I've actually done. Some bitch ranting erroneously on her LJ?
There is no fucking way that can touch me at all.
I live big, live passionately. I have people who would die for me and people who would die for the chance to have me dead. I've seen 37 friends die violently. I've been shot 4 times. I've been stabbed, strangled, beaten, burned, left for dead...an internet brouhaha doesn't register as anything more than a mosquito bite. And it's a lot more amusing.
And while we're getting things out there, I did some digging to find out for sure about the LotR mess of 2001-03 when the scandal broke, just to be sure that I wouldn't have cops at my door with outstanding warrants and a lot of annoying explanations and paperwork when I was trying to prepare a meetup.
The Big Scandal, of course, which everyone's heard right now, is that Amy was supposedly impersonating Elijah Wood, stalking LotR actors, stole $3000 from Reading is Fundamental, and ran this huge scam of a pretend LotR convention hat stole tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of dollars from dozens of fans and sponsors and stars, all of which she pocketed.
The reality is about as closely related as how I supposedly seduced Brittany into leaving her poor kindly husband, accused him of horrible abuse, and slowly drove him mad until he had no choice but to try and kill us all to prevent us stealing everything he had and leaving him beggared in the streets and then, when he showed up with the gun, threw Brittany and Tony into his path, dared him to shoot, and dove for cover.
The reality: Amy was deeply into LotR roleplaying and did a lot of chats and even had a few RPG journals, one of which was, yes, an RPF RPG where she did play as Elijah. She was a big fan of him and Sean Astin, and did start a Sam Gamgee fan club, but no worse a fan than many other people. She was a least bisexual, possibly lesbian, possibly trans - she's been legitimately confused about that at least since she was 10 - and when she decided to try living as a boy for a while, she took the name Jordan Wood, which maybe was a bit fangirly juvenile, but she was 17. There was speculation that she was a cousin by some people, which she never quashed, but she never actually made any claims.
There was a big project to build a reading garden for Reading is Fundamental; Project Eleanor. They had a special screening to raise money for the project, which had been budgeted about $1400, and the extra was supposed to go to RiF. The screening raised $3000, but due to some errors in how much wood they were going to need for the deck and some other unforeseen expenses, Project Eleanor wound up costing $3400. So no, nothing got donated to RiF, and yes, Amy reimbursed herself the expenses she'd paid out of pocket, but the whole thing wound up COSTING her $400, and there was nothing TO give to charity. The police conduced an extensive investigation of this and determined that the only wrongdoing was that she hadn't filed a license before holding a raffle, and she was fined $400 for an illegal gambling activity. They also found out that she'd not filed any of the right paperwork, but determined that it was ignorant, not criminal, and simply issued an injunction that sad all over it that it was not a statement of guilt or wrongdoing but that she agreed not to engage in a financial capacity with any charity in the state of Oregon for 2 years or until she had taken certain classes.
With Project Eleanor having been a technical, even if not financial success, and having gotten a lot of attention, admiration, and having gotten to spend the day with one of her favorite actors, Amy made a really stupid choice. Rather than saying "I overstepped myself a bit with this, but it was good, let's scale it back a bit and do it again," she decided to go A Billion Times As Big. She was going to throw an LotR convention that would make ComiCon look pathetic!
Now, I don't know about you, but if a teenaged kid with zero convention experience was spouting big dreams like that after having sort-of-failed and barely pulled off and netted no proceeds with their last event...I'd not be lining up to throw money at it.
However, she was gushing about how she was going to get All The Actors There, and people who are already tits-deep in fandom will do a lot of stupid if they think they can meet The Movie Stars.
So she does her damndest, but she frankly hasn't got clue one. Her mouth's writing checks that her knowledge can't keep, and she says that stuff's going to happen with no idea how she'll pull it off, figuring it's a lot easier than it is. She's talking so big and confident, that for a while, she does have a lot of the actors agents on board and have them booked, because she's telling the agents about this huge convention with thousands of people etc etc. Then people start looking further, and pulling out, and more and more "did you remember to do the - - -" starts catching up wither her. The whole damn thing implodes. It's not a scam, it's a really badly run event. Everyone who has put anything into it, herself included, loses their shirts. There is no convention.
Turimel starts screaming that Amy has obviously run off with all the tens of thousands of dollars from the thousands of tickets and al the hundreds of vendors and movie stars and does manage to get Amy arrested. Tey find out that it was just epically poorly run, there is no money, there were barely 50 tickets sold and the venue has refunded them all, the vendors she never got table fees from and there were only a dozen... that it was a disaster that had been grossly inflated but by the cocky mouth of a kid who thought they could do it and were doing it, not a scam artist.
Turimel refuses to believe it, and is further horrified to hear from the police that the person they arrested was technically a girl, which throws her into epic spasms of OMGNOEZ!!!
So, she has two options.
1) Either she gave about 10K on her credit card for deposits (all of which was refunded, btw) to a gender-confused, emotionally messed-up teenage kid who was making grandiose promises that should have easily been seen through as unable to follow through on despite best intentions. IN other words, that she was a 45 year old woman who made a really stupid decision out of being blinded by her own fandom obsessions.
2. SHE'S THE VICTIM OF A HORRIBLY LYING ICKY DIRTY TRANNY BITCH~
Except, well, number two didn't get her far. So she had to start coming up with "better reasons" why she was so upset. So the numbers started inflating, the charges got wilder, etc.
She stopped mentioning the deposits had been refunded. She started claiming the huge success Amy had promised as money stolen rather than money that never happened, etc.
But no matter how wild she got, her attention and martyr status dried up fairly soon, especially as more people started calling her on her bullshit. So she published a book - well, she had to self-publish on a vanity press - that was basically her LJ between a set of covers. And she had the chutzpah to actually add the cost of printing and promoting (which didn't work) to the Amount Amy Stole From Her.
But the book went nowhere, and no one was listening any more, and she was herself an internet laugingstock, and she sulked and brooded and stewed and festered her hate - remember, after helping with the convention she was suppose to beBFFs with a dozen movie stars and the biggest queen in the LotR fandom by now - until Shannon came along and made her a very happy woman by handing her the Golden Boy of Harry Potter fandom on a silver platter.
She's 55 now, mother of three, and a doctor for an insurance company.
All because she's still incredibly bitter that she didn't get to spend a weekend hanging out with the Fellowship and becoming a fandom superstar.
Amy's got problems, oh yes. But Turimel's got bigger ones, and if anyone's walking the fine edge of criminal and getting away with it, it's her with the slander, libel, and harassment.
I've actually talked to the cops about it, but I can't get a restraining order because she's wrong about who I am... she keeps threatening and spreading lies about *Amy.
It's like David Ecks, who has made his living screaming about the vast alien government conspiracy.
FAN 3: So you can't stop her because her accusations are too ridiculous for a legal response?
ANDREW BLAKE: He can't be sued for slandering the Alien Overlords because there aren't any, and yes ))Fan 3(( that's exactly it.
http://turimel.livejournal.com/105515.html
FAN 1: I hope I'm not opening old wounds but what's the story about Andy being a scammer of some sort?
FAN 2: Long story short (too late) Andy's sister and a vengeful ex attempted to connect Andy with a female scam artist who'd caused a bit of a scandal in Lord of the Rings fandom a few years ago. Some still believe that Andy and this Amy are one and the same.
***
ANDREW BLAKE: Back in the spring of 2008, I had a three week online flirtation with a woman named Shannon, who goes by Luvscharlie online. She seemed sweet enough at first, btu then I got very uncomfortable with her obsession with porn, with being the "perviest" and "kinkiest" in her circle of friends, with fandom popularity, and the extent to which she neglected her daughter for fandom. I ended the relationship, and she persued, and she acted like I'd left her at the friggin' altar when I said No Means No. So a year and a half later, one of her friends of friends who writes Supernatural real-person slash porn gets in a fandom scandal, and several other juicy fandom scandals from years past are referenced, including the "Great VB/TentMoot debacle". Never not wanting to be In The Know, Shannon hunts it up, and notices a resemblance between me and this "VB." Half hoping that it is me and she can make my life hell, not caring if it isn't because it'll make my life hell anyway, she sends my Twitpic address and all other info she can find on me to Turimel and says that the Great Con Artist Has Been Found.
Turimel has two options: She can say that yes, there's a resemblance, but there's really no other evidence beyond state of birth and look connecting the two, and further investigation would be required to make sure it wasn't a sibling, cousin, or coincidence... or she can go howling into the middle of fandom shrieking that all the mockery of her before for being a lunatic was wrong because here is PROOF that VB's AT IT AGAIN because her latest scamming scam of scamdom is PRETENDING TO BE MALE and inviting people out to DC for something called "Daydcon" which we all KNOW will just be a ruse to sell thousands of fake tickets and run cackling into the night with money!!!
We all know what she chose.
And then she got laughed out of Harry Potter when the Big Scam Convention turned out to be, well, Daydcon. There was a lot of"wow, this whole thing is freaky," but then the world moved on and left her sulking and embarrassed. She's had a year and a half to stew, and then she gets another "opportunity," this time to prove that no, she's not a paranoid obsessive loser, I Really Killed People This Time ZOMG!
An here we all are, and she's wrong again, and she'll be shown up as wrong again, and she'll go off sulking into her corner, and three years from now some troll will send her word that I've had or adopted a kid, and she'll find some cute baby-in-bath pictures and start shrieking that My Latest Scam Is Child Porn. It's how she rolls.
I've had people who actually want to kill me, who have killed people before with no compunction, for things I've actually done. Some bitch ranting erroneously on her LJ?
There is no fucking way that can touch me at all.
I live big, live passionately. I have people who would die for me and people who would die for the chance to have me dead. I've seen 37 friends die violently. I've been shot 4 times. I've been stabbed, strangled, beaten, burned, left for dead...an internet brouhaha doesn't register as anything more than a mosquito bite. And it's a lot more amusing.
And while we're getting things out there, I did some digging to find out for sure about the LotR mess of 2001-03 when the scandal broke, just to be sure that I wouldn't have cops at my door with outstanding warrants and a lot of annoying explanations and paperwork when I was trying to prepare a meetup.
The Big Scandal, of course, which everyone's heard right now, is that Amy was supposedly impersonating Elijah Wood, stalking LotR actors, stole $3000 from Reading is Fundamental, and ran this huge scam of a pretend LotR convention hat stole tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of dollars from dozens of fans and sponsors and stars, all of which she pocketed.
The reality is about as closely related as how I supposedly seduced Brittany into leaving her poor kindly husband, accused him of horrible abuse, and slowly drove him mad until he had no choice but to try and kill us all to prevent us stealing everything he had and leaving him beggared in the streets and then, when he showed up with the gun, threw Brittany and Tony into his path, dared him to shoot, and dove for cover.
The reality: Amy was deeply into LotR roleplaying and did a lot of chats and even had a few RPG journals, one of which was, yes, an RPF RPG where she did play as Elijah. She was a big fan of him and Sean Astin, and did start a Sam Gamgee fan club, but no worse a fan than many other people. She was a least bisexual, possibly lesbian, possibly trans - she's been legitimately confused about that at least since she was 10 - and when she decided to try living as a boy for a while, she took the name Jordan Wood, which maybe was a bit fangirly juvenile, but she was 17. There was speculation that she was a cousin by some people, which she never quashed, but she never actually made any claims.
There was a big project to build a reading garden for Reading is Fundamental; Project Eleanor. They had a special screening to raise money for the project, which had been budgeted about $1400, and the extra was supposed to go to RiF. The screening raised $3000, but due to some errors in how much wood they were going to need for the deck and some other unforeseen expenses, Project Eleanor wound up costing $3400. So no, nothing got donated to RiF, and yes, Amy reimbursed herself the expenses she'd paid out of pocket, but the whole thing wound up COSTING her $400, and there was nothing TO give to charity. The police conduced an extensive investigation of this and determined that the only wrongdoing was that she hadn't filed a license before holding a raffle, and she was fined $400 for an illegal gambling activity. They also found out that she'd not filed any of the right paperwork, but determined that it was ignorant, not criminal, and simply issued an injunction that sad all over it that it was not a statement of guilt or wrongdoing but that she agreed not to engage in a financial capacity with any charity in the state of Oregon for 2 years or until she had taken certain classes.
With Project Eleanor having been a technical, even if not financial success, and having gotten a lot of attention, admiration, and having gotten to spend the day with one of her favorite actors, Amy made a really stupid choice. Rather than saying "I overstepped myself a bit with this, but it was good, let's scale it back a bit and do it again," she decided to go A Billion Times As Big. She was going to throw an LotR convention that would make ComiCon look pathetic!
Now, I don't know about you, but if a teenaged kid with zero convention experience was spouting big dreams like that after having sort-of-failed and barely pulled off and netted no proceeds with their last event...I'd not be lining up to throw money at it.
However, she was gushing about how she was going to get All The Actors There, and people who are already tits-deep in fandom will do a lot of stupid if they think they can meet The Movie Stars.
So she does her damndest, but she frankly hasn't got clue one. Her mouth's writing checks that her knowledge can't keep, and she says that stuff's going to happen with no idea how she'll pull it off, figuring it's a lot easier than it is. She's talking so big and confident, that for a while, she does have a lot of the actors agents on board and have them booked, because she's telling the agents about this huge convention with thousands of people etc etc. Then people start looking further, and pulling out, and more and more "did you remember to do the - - -" starts catching up wither her. The whole damn thing implodes. It's not a scam, it's a really badly run event. Everyone who has put anything into it, herself included, loses their shirts. There is no convention.
Turimel starts screaming that Amy has obviously run off with all the tens of thousands of dollars from the thousands of tickets and al the hundreds of vendors and movie stars and does manage to get Amy arrested. Tey find out that it was just epically poorly run, there is no money, there were barely 50 tickets sold and the venue has refunded them all, the vendors she never got table fees from and there were only a dozen... that it was a disaster that had been grossly inflated but by the cocky mouth of a kid who thought they could do it and were doing it, not a scam artist.
Turimel refuses to believe it, and is further horrified to hear from the police that the person they arrested was technically a girl, which throws her into epic spasms of OMGNOEZ!!!
So, she has two options.
1) Either she gave about 10K on her credit card for deposits (all of which was refunded, btw) to a gender-confused, emotionally messed-up teenage kid who was making grandiose promises that should have easily been seen through as unable to follow through on despite best intentions. IN other words, that she was a 45 year old woman who made a really stupid decision out of being blinded by her own fandom obsessions.
2. SHE'S THE VICTIM OF A HORRIBLY LYING ICKY DIRTY TRANNY BITCH~
Except, well, number two didn't get her far. So she had to start coming up with "better reasons" why she was so upset. So the numbers started inflating, the charges got wilder, etc.
She stopped mentioning the deposits had been refunded. She started claiming the huge success Amy had promised as money stolen rather than money that never happened, etc.
But no matter how wild she got, her attention and martyr status dried up fairly soon, especially as more people started calling her on her bullshit. So she published a book - well, she had to self-publish on a vanity press - that was basically her LJ between a set of covers. And she had the chutzpah to actually add the cost of printing and promoting (which didn't work) to the Amount Amy Stole From Her.
But the book went nowhere, and no one was listening any more, and she was herself an internet laugingstock, and she sulked and brooded and stewed and festered her hate - remember, after helping with the convention she was suppose to beBFFs with a dozen movie stars and the biggest queen in the LotR fandom by now - until Shannon came along and made her a very happy woman by handing her the Golden Boy of Harry Potter fandom on a silver platter.
She's 55 now, mother of three, and a doctor for an insurance company.
All because she's still incredibly bitter that she didn't get to spend a weekend hanging out with the Fellowship and becoming a fandom superstar.
Amy's got problems, oh yes. But Turimel's got bigger ones, and if anyone's walking the fine edge of criminal and getting away with it, it's her with the slander, libel, and harassment.
I've actually talked to the cops about it, but I can't get a restraining order because she's wrong about who I am... she keeps threatening and spreading lies about *Amy.
It's like David Ecks, who has made his living screaming about the vast alien government conspiracy.
FAN 3: So you can't stop her because her accusations are too ridiculous for a legal response?
ANDREW BLAKE: He can't be sued for slandering the Alien Overlords because there aren't any, and yes ))Fan 3(( that's exactly it.
From: Andrew Blake <thanfiction@yahoo.com>
To: "necromommycon@yahoo.ca" <necromommycon@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 1:29:00 AM
Subject: Where would she have heard this?
From a comment from Abbey on her journal:
" Especially since, as it appears he is carrying the same mythos into his new following, the person currently living in the body that is legally named Andrew Michael Blake is NOT the same person who ripped you off and took me for a hell of a ride. They really do believe he’s a different “soul” in that body. Think of that as you read what he wrote; that he is saying “I was always male because I didn’t always live in this body.”"
To: "necromommycon@yahoo.ca" <necromommycon@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 1:29:00 AM
Subject: Where would she have heard this?
From a comment from Abbey on her journal:
" Especially since, as it appears he is carrying the same mythos into his new following, the person currently living in the body that is legally named Andrew Michael Blake is NOT the same person who ripped you off and took me for a hell of a ride. They really do believe he’s a different “soul” in that body. Think of that as you read what he wrote; that he is saying “I was always male because I didn’t always live in this body.”"
From: C. M. <necromommycon@yahoo.ca>
To: "thanfiction@yahoo.com" <thanfiction@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:50 PM
Subject: As a newish acquaintance, I don't want to pry.
But I read a Tumblr update from you today (the one that ended, "I told you."), and wanted to just...touch base and offer you best wishes, I guess.
Hope you're okay.
Hang in there.
~C
From: Andrew Blake <thanfiction@yahoo.com>
To: C. M. <necromommycon@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:50:08 PM
Subject: Re: As a newish acquaintance, I don't want to pry.
Thank you, that's very kind of you. I had an unfortunate discussion with a friend who has a very big crush on me, and she pushed the matter until I had to tell her that my feelings for her were only and only ever would be brotherly. That's never a good conversation to have, especially with someone who's already fragile and has issues with feeling unlovable.
Andy
From: Andrew Blake <thanfiction@yahoo.com>
To: C. M. <necromommycon@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 6:12:06 PM
Subject: Re: As a newish acquaintance, I don't want to pry.
You would think in particular a Daydian would recognize that there are so many forms of valuable affection other than eros, but unfortunately (thank you, Twilight) there is still a large chunk of people who think that the be-all-end-all goal of a woman's life must be To Have A Boyfriend/Husband and without that she is worthless.
By the way, I posted WIP of your Edward sketch yesterday, and am finishing it this evening. I'll need a mailing address, and is it ok so far?
Andy
To: "thanfiction@yahoo.com" <thanfiction@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:50 PM
Subject: As a newish acquaintance, I don't want to pry.
But I read a Tumblr update from you today (the one that ended, "I told you."), and wanted to just...touch base and offer you best wishes, I guess.
Hope you're okay.
Hang in there.
~C
From: Andrew Blake <thanfiction@yahoo.com>
To: C. M. <necromommycon@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 5:50:08 PM
Subject: Re: As a newish acquaintance, I don't want to pry.
Thank you, that's very kind of you. I had an unfortunate discussion with a friend who has a very big crush on me, and she pushed the matter until I had to tell her that my feelings for her were only and only ever would be brotherly. That's never a good conversation to have, especially with someone who's already fragile and has issues with feeling unlovable.
Andy
From: Andrew Blake <thanfiction@yahoo.com>
To: C. M. <necromommycon@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 6:12:06 PM
Subject: Re: As a newish acquaintance, I don't want to pry.
You would think in particular a Daydian would recognize that there are so many forms of valuable affection other than eros, but unfortunately (thank you, Twilight) there is still a large chunk of people who think that the be-all-end-all goal of a woman's life must be To Have A Boyfriend/Husband and without that she is worthless.
By the way, I posted WIP of your Edward sketch yesterday, and am finishing it this evening. I'll need a mailing address, and is it ok so far?
Andy
thanfiction (thanfiction) replied to your LiveJournal post in which you said:
To everyone celebrating it today, I mean.
Some year I'm going to spend Thanksgiving with an American family. (I'll wait to be invited, I mean, I won't just show up on your doorstep with the children.) It always looks like so much fun--you make a much bigger deal of it than Canadians do, and just once I want to be there for it.
Their reply was:
You know when I said that DenCo was open door to anyone who wanted to come, I just wish you and the kiddos had known a bit sooner. We'd have loved to have you.
To everyone celebrating it today, I mean.
Some year I'm going to spend Thanksgiving with an American family. (I'll wait to be invited, I mean, I won't just show up on your doorstep with the children.) It always looks like so much fun--you make a much bigger deal of it than Canadians do, and just once I want to be there for it.
Their reply was:
You know when I said that DenCo was open door to anyone who wanted to come, I just wish you and the kiddos had known a bit sooner. We'd have loved to have you.
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Jul 10, 2013
andythanfiction asked a question
Hey, would you be willing to share your phone number and/or get on Skype? I'd like to talk to you but I'm having kind of a lousy paranoia night and I'd rather not put it all in writing.
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/44496687605/how-many-languages-do-you-know
How many languages do you know?
Six to varying degrees from fluent to I-can-talk-to-small-children
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/26741450761/books-covers-and-judging-them-not-lest-ye-be
Actually, that guy is me. He’s 28, and he’s been on his own since he was a teenager. He got the tattoos years ago, and they’re in French (which he speaks, along with Spanish, Classical Greek, Latin, and Gaelic)
More to come, I'm sure.
How many languages do you know?
Six to varying degrees from fluent to I-can-talk-to-small-children
http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/26741450761/books-covers-and-judging-them-not-lest-ye-be
Actually, that guy is me. He’s 28, and he’s been on his own since he was a teenager. He got the tattoos years ago, and they’re in French (which he speaks, along with Spanish, Classical Greek, Latin, and Gaelic)
More to come, I'm sure.
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