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continued Thatfucker discussion

Since we've been kicked off FFA for the week, please feel free to continue the anon discussion here. Apologies if this is a big flop - I've never made a DW community before!

The rules are vaguely the same as they are over on FFA. Please refrain from being too much of an asshole, making personal attacks, posting identifying information or engaging in transfail.

ETA: If there's information you'd like to see archived (journal/blog posts related to Andy, etc.), please dump it here and link to it from the main post for discussing.

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Sky is pink at sunset. Just saying.

Trans community is full of special snowflakes. If Andy just wanted attention and not to torment people then he might be all over tumblr with his snowflake ID. Not that snowflakes aren't real, but there's definitely a temptation there for an attention seeking personality. But he needs to torture people so he lies all the frigging time. Everyone can see from this outside this guy has a trans history as much as he denies it for his own needs (possible? who knows?) or for his practical needs at the moment (to deny he was the person who did those things).

I am very sympathetic to a trans person who calls themselves cis. We are born with this condition but both the condition and society make our lives hell. However, I don't think that picking apart Andy Blake's lies about his past should be off the table. He's hurt too many people. He has deliberately tried to convince people he was a cis guy to try to make them believe that Amy Player couldn't possibly be him. That's a whole other ball of wax from psychologically giving in to the transphobia and creating a fantasy life where you're cis. Who knows, he may do this as well! But nobody knows because he's an NPD who lies all the time and doesn't treat people like people.

But he needs to torture people so he lies all the frigging time.

I don't believe thanfiction lies specifically to torture people; I believe thanfiction lies because it is a deep-seated compulsion to lie-- that the lies torment people is just a side effect of the constant need to embellish, enhance, and distort the truth.

DA

I think that ascribing his lying to a "compulsion" absolves Andy of too much blame. Andy's lies are deliberate and often planned. He tells different lies to different people/groups of people; they are often intricate and build on each other over long periods of time. In spite of how complicated it can become, he is able to remember what he's told each person so that if information is "leaked", he can figure out who did it. If two people that have heard different lies talk to each other and discover contradictions in what they were told, he can explain it away and then attack them for not trusting and "betraying" him.

Andy knows perfectly well that people have suffered and continue to suffer because of this and his other abusive actions, but he chooses to keep doing it. In my opinion, it's more about controlling everyone in his circle than about torturing people, but I do think it's a deliberate choice rather than a compulsion that he can't help.

I think that ascribing his lying to a "compulsion" absolves Andy of too much blame. [etc.]

ayrt

Yeah, I see your point. I think what I meant was more what the nonnie above said, that thanfiction lies for the sake of lying, and if the lies happen to manipulate, control, or cause pain, so much the better.

I don't Andy's motivation to lie is the pain that he causes, but I think he couldn't care less about it. It's the sort of lies to tells that give him away. I think he wants to live an immersive fantasy life, and receive constant attention and praise.

Fandom is great place to do that. There are loads of emotionally dysfunctional people who are more than willing to buy the escapist shit he sells.

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