continued Thatfucker discussion

[anonniemouse]

Since we've been kicked off FFA for the week, please feel free to continue the anon discussion here. Apologies if this is a big flop - I've never made a DW community before!

The rules are vaguely the same as they are over on FFA. Please refrain from being too much of an asshole, making personal attacks, posting identifying information or engaging in transfail.

ETA: If there's information you'd like to see archived (journal/blog posts related to Andy, etc.), please dump it here and link to it from the main post for discussing.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

What was the thing about Dean Winchester's clothes, I don't recall anything about that?

Yeah, the Walmart oral stuff both before the self-pity party and after was just gross. Not that it actually happened of course, but it was very revealing of some of the uglier attitudes Andy has in regards to women and sex.

[(Anonymous)]

Andy seems to alternate between praising plus-size women and shaming them, and I think that was part of what he was doing with that post. He used to post "only dogs like bones" shit with some regularity, but if you talk to the women he has partnered with or been friends with, they often have stories about Andy body-shaming them in covert ways. And by covert I don't mean "not obvious", but that his intentions are disguised as games or jokes (his rodeo with Abbey) or artistic choices (his refusal to paint WJ as anything but the Hulk). He's smart enough to know he can't use outright insults.

I also think that story was designed to fuck with Meg. That would have been about the time her infatuation with Andy was happening. I know that in Meg's version of events, she pressured Andy for sex and he "broke down" and said he'd sleep with her, but it would be empty sex and it would prompt him to go and fuck with a bunch of other people. I suspect that obviously bullshit story was meant to be either a guilt trip, or to just plain fuck with Megan's emotions.

FYI, Andy, you shouldn't make out with friends you know are co-dependent and romantically interested in you if you don't return their interest. That was a really shitty thing to do.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah here's his "reasons":

http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=273752#cmt273752

because I felt too guilty about how behind I am on my fanfic obligations and the fact that my cell phone is off until I get my next paycheck so I can’t call my friend when she’s sad.

I suspect (though I'm not sure) these were fic Andy has promised people in return for money, and as usual, he's found a way to put of following through on his obligations with a manufactured crisis and guilt-tripping. His life is really hard, guys. His phone is off. Never mind the fact that was living with his parents, who probably have a house phone or land line.

I think the friend in question is Meg. This is a perfect set-up for her to say, "Oh no, Andy! Whatever promises you've made me, please take care of yourself first! Are you okay?"

Eugh. It's classic woobie posturing.

[(Anonymous)]

He was typing this on the internet. He couldn't SKYPE this sad friend? It's free.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, HE surely could. He spent hours on skype with his Russian friend.

Maybe the other person didn't have a webcam?

[(Anonymous)]

Just chat with them then? You don't need a webcam, just a mic. Or a phone with internet capabilities.

It's a moot point. I think it's pretty obvious he just didn't want to bother or else wanted to play with her feelings by withholding contact.

[(Anonymous)]

Iirc the "sad friend" he couldn't call was Cfc. It was around the same time he promised people who read DAYD caramels but he spent all his money on the ingredients and then couldn't afford the postage to send them. I remember someone pointing out he'd have money to call his friend if he hadn't wasted it by promising dozens of strangers caramels which he then failed to actually send out to anyone.

[(Anonymous)]

Y, I remember that too. It was around the time she was posting a lot of really emotionally needy vagueposts obviously directed at him, and he seemed to be dodging her repeatedly.

[(Anonymous)]

The odds of CFC, a well-off established person with school aged children and a lot of online friendships, not having a Skype set up are almost impossibly small. He could have called her. He didn't want to.

[(Anonymous)]

CFC is not so well-off, actually. This wouldn't be worth correcting except that a key point in their friendship was when Andy paid for her trip to Wales, which she never could have managed on her own.

[(Anonymous)]

I remember her putting up a $60,000 GoFundMe asking for help for her family.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, wasn't that essentially what Andy did to buy her loyalty quite early on? He does that a lot, make these big, sweeping, overly-generous gestures designed to make the recipient feel overwhelmed with gratitude and emotionally and financially indebted to him. He pulled a similar thing at the convention where he met Rhys when he won the $150 prize in the Best Castiel competition; he split it between himself, Rhys and another cosplayer, thus making them indebted to him from the off. His surface-kindness is just another manipulation tool to get what he wants from the people he "helps" further down the line.

[(Anonymous)]

FYI, Andy, you shouldn't make out with friends you know are co-dependent and romantically interested in you if you don't return their interest. That was a really shitty thing to do.

This. It was a cruel, cruel thing for him to have done to her.

[(Anonymous)]

When Andy was first getting in to SPN, he posted a pic of himself in a rough approximation of Dean's clothes, with a notes that said he doesn't normally dress like this but Dean Winchester seemed to be choosing his outfits lately. Something like that. Not "I am Dean", but definitely testing the waters.

I think his bit with that Castiel cosplayer was also an attempt to set himself as Dean to the other guy's Cas. Suddenly, Andy might be panromantic, and he wanted to TRY this, and the other guy was so beautiful and his eyes were so blue that Andy was questioning everything. Honestly, all it needed was a barn to be the Destiel version of Dean and Cas's first meeting. Luckily, the other guy seems to have noped away quick.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL, I remember that. The person in question was warned immediately.

There's a reason Andy's now off tumblr.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh Rhys, how we all worried for you.

[(Anonymous)]

There's stuff about what went down there that really fucking enrages me, but I can't talk about it because of the innocent party's privacy. Just know that Andy is disgusting and manipulative in the extreme, and is willing to use the most painful parts of people's lives to curry their favour, setting himself up as their "defender" against attacks that don't even fucking exist.

[(Anonymous)]

Now that sounds intriguing! Would it be possible to just use Person A, Person B etc or is it all going to be pretty obvious who is who considering you're responding to a post about Rhys? Or is it connected to the really nasty way Andy fucked with Meg's head over that weekend that Winjennster hinted at but couldn't speak openly about?

[(Anonymous)]

It's going to be obvious. Megan is not involved. As an aside, I believe what Andy did that weekend and "that thing I'm not talking about" are different things. Someone mentioned it above, though.

I really can't go into details. Let's say Person B has a very sensitive personal issue, and Person A (Andy) starts constantly bringing it up in public when it doesn't need to be brought up, and framing it as though other people are attacking or insulting Person B about this issue, when no one said a fucking word about it. Andy then acts affronted and defends Person B against this stuff no one ever said, acting like he's defending Person B and trying to create this sense it being "us against the cruel world!"

Google "forced teaming". It describes that last bit pretty well.

And I don't mean Andy rebuffing questionable statements that are open to interpretation. I mean, if someone were talking about anything in relation to Person B, then Andy would find a way to insert this issue into it. Sometimes no one had to say anything at all and it would still be alluded to. Like, say someone said Person B was a gymnast (I mean this literally). Andy would say something like, "No, actually they call themselves a tumbler. Not that there is anything wrong with being a gymnast. It's similar to [insert issue here]. If you don't respect the label of tumbler and [blah blah], you are aggressing against Person B and I will do what I must to defend them!"

I will say this - this is something Andy should fucking know better than to mess with someone over. He knows exactly what he's doing when he brings it up and what effect it might have. He is an utterly repulsive human being.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my god, LINK ME!

[(Anonymous)]

http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/87675048472/lights-on-curtain-up-masks-off

Here is just one of many examples.

Rhys, you are better than I deserve and I’m going to try my best now to not let you down, because you believe I can do this. And never enough fuck you for being way too in character to the point where you strutted in, flashed your massive wingspan and your blue eyes, and threw 30+ years of firm heteroallthethings into re-evaluation.

Much more can be found here:

http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/search/rhys

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I meant to the post about Andy dressed as Dean Winchester. These threads get hard to follow once there are a certain amount of replies.

[(Anonymous)]

http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/35209987357/lolok-supernatural-fans-this-is-a-little

"I guess you guys would call it possession."

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, there's zero chance this "just happened". It was 100% planned and deliberate, just like his "black hair and forehead scar" was.

[(Anonymous)]

The joking about it really underscores how fake Andy's claims about previous delusions are.

If you believed you'd been possessed in the past, you sure as hell wouldn't make jokes about the possibility of it happening again.

If you knew you had a mental illness that had made you believe you'd been possessed in the past, you sure as hell wouldn't make jokes about feeling like it was happening again.

So whatever point we're at on his timeline, it's all bullshit.

Really non-subtle transfer of belief there as well. "I'M not saying I'm possessed! YOU say I'm possessed! Right? Sure sounds like something you'd say..."