It's a little redundant, but I kind of want to make a point-by-point list of the obfuscation happening.
The Andy narrative: 1) Andy has changed! In the last four years he's done a lot of work on himself, and all his friends agree he's a much better person now. He has a job lined up in LA, and drives across the country to work there for the summer. While he's there, he rents from his friend Molly and her fiancee 2) EVERYTHING IS RUINED! The AA blogs contacted Molly, and she immediately kicked him out and got him fired from his job. The AA blogs are contacting people in LA and spreading lies about him, making it so he can't advance in the industry.
Except, it follows that what actually happened was that he had some part time work lined up as a verbal agreement (no full time job), and was only supposed to crash with Molly (kind acquaintance) for a week. If he told people he had a full time job or actual housing worked out, he was lying to them.
He was a rude houseguest, and creeped out Molly and her friends. He was hurtful to her friends, and displayed many red-flags.
He wanted to live with Molly rent-free, all summer, despite never asking for this directly. She had agreed to let him crash for a week in exchange for a commission (but mostly as a favor).
He straight up lied to many people, repeatedly, constantly. Things that were blatant, like "I have never lived in LA before."
While he was in LA, he made multiple attempts to get Molly to help him connect with celebrities (specifically the Critical Role cast).
A friend of Molly's sent her a few links, she did some research. It all lined up with what she knew of him, she asked him to leave.
People who had recently met him mostly didn't like him, and now that they knew about his past (from google!) they weren't interested in continuing their acquaintance. This is partly because of stuff he's done in the past, and partly because he's been shitty to people they know in their social circle. Molly hasn't ordered anyone to cut of contact with him or anything- there is no 'him vs her' in this case-- Molly is their friend of many years. They barely know Andy, and for the most part, what they know of him they don't like. Not a single person who has met him in LA *wants* to be friends with him anymore, and there isn't a reason in the world they should give a near-stranger with a shady past who was an ass to their friend some kind of chance.
One of the people in this social circle forwarded the relevant info to Andy's part time, informal employer (another friend, since mostly Andy seems to be relying on social networking), who decided she'd prefer to not work with him in the future.
Since Andy didn't *actually have a job*, its hard to describe this as being fired. Since most of these people were acquaintances he knew from Molly, it's hard to see how her talking about this with her friends constitutes 'ruining his life and career'. A social network is not a career.
Molly has since contacted the AA blogs, which connects this to the general Andy timeline.
Andy's friends are ACTIVELY perpetuating the narrative of the first two facts, blaming this on the AA blogs. The volume of the obfuscation is incredible. Apart from providing an easily found record of events over the last 25 years, the blogs were completely un-involved! How can anyone blame these events on the AA community, and say that it's destroying his life and preventing him from making a fresh start? They talk a lot about what we want from Andy, to prove he's changed-- but what exactly do they want from us??? Do they want the teablogger to just...delete their blog? Do they want the fanlore thanfiction information to vanish? Should Molly's friends be rolling out the red carpet and purchasing commissions from someone they owe nothing too? Is that what the 'benefit of the doubt' entails???
If his friends in VA care about him at all, and he was honest with them about his plans, how can they have agreed that it was a good idea for him to move across the country without a job or a rental agreement? I suspect that he didn't tell them that, and that he straight up lied to them about his arrangements for the summer. He's certainly lying to them now. That's something they should think about.
Also Molly said she had already decided to ask Andy to leave, without having looked at any of his past on any AA blog. The AA blogs only confirmed that what she was experiencing was the norm for him and perhaps sped up the timeline a bit.
I just don't fucking understand how these assholes are supposed to think anyone is going to learn a fucking RAPIST AND CULT LEADER has been a guest in their home, sleeping in the room next to theirs, and NOT freak the fuck out, feel violently ill and want to get such a person as far away from their home and community as fast as possible?
like, where the fuck is this cognitive dissonance occurring? are they genuinely trying to sell us the guff that if they found out their house-guest WAS A RAPIST, they'd just shrug it off as a mistake from the past???
I think seeing it all laid out like this makes it so obvious how this incident fits into the standard pattern of his behaviour. And it's a pattern that he needs to break - these are all things that he has done before and he objectively cannot continue to do if he wants to function independently in the adult world.
He pins everything on grandiose plans that have no foundation and wings it instead of laying the groundwork to make them actually happen. He inflates vague promises, favours and off-hand offers into concrete commitments that the other person never agreed to. When someone else does do him a favour, he pushes it as far as he possibly can until he pisses them off so badly that the bridge is effectively burned. He tries to make himself the centre of a pre-existing group without putting in the work to develop organic, genuine relationships with that group. Instead, he alienates people very quickly through his behaviour - he's unkind, inconsiderate, offensive, and creepy. He lies, about small things and big important things, repeatedly, blatantly and inconsistently. And he seems to actively seek out unstructured environments, probably as a means of disguising all of the above.
You can't DO this in real life. You just can't! ESPECIALLY not in creative industries - in this line of work you must be able to organise yourself effectively, to build solid relationships with people, to be reliable. Based on this incident I would not hire him to work for me because it is obvious that he's not reliable, does not plan ahead and would not work well with others, and I would never be able to trust him.
You've just described Tentmoot. And all the DAYD events. And the hike. And GISHWHES. And just about every other big group production he's tried to pull off.
He's been doing exactly the same thing for 15 years!
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Just to summarize
(Anonymous) 2018-06-25 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)The Andy narrative:
1) Andy has changed! In the last four years he's done a lot of work on himself, and all his friends agree he's a much better person now. He has a job lined up in LA, and drives across the country to work there for the summer. While he's there, he rents from his friend Molly and her fiancee
2) EVERYTHING IS RUINED! The AA blogs contacted Molly, and she immediately kicked him out and got him fired from his job. The AA blogs are contacting people in LA and spreading lies about him, making it so he can't advance in the industry.
Except, it follows that what actually happened was that he had some part time work lined up as a verbal agreement (no full time job), and was only supposed to crash with Molly (kind acquaintance) for a week. If he told people he had a full time job or actual housing worked out, he was lying to them.
He was a rude houseguest, and creeped out Molly and her friends. He was hurtful to her friends, and displayed many red-flags.
He wanted to live with Molly rent-free, all summer, despite never asking for this directly. She had agreed to let him crash for a week in exchange for a commission (but mostly as a favor).
He straight up lied to many people, repeatedly, constantly. Things that were blatant, like "I have never lived in LA before."
While he was in LA, he made multiple attempts to get Molly to help him connect with celebrities (specifically the Critical Role cast).
A friend of Molly's sent her a few links, she did some research. It all lined up with what she knew of him, she asked him to leave.
People who had recently met him mostly didn't like him, and now that they knew about his past (from google!) they weren't interested in continuing their acquaintance. This is partly because of stuff he's done in the past, and partly because he's been shitty to people they know in their social circle. Molly hasn't ordered anyone to cut of contact with him or anything- there is no 'him vs her' in this case-- Molly is their friend of many years. They barely know Andy, and for the most part, what they know of him they don't like. Not a single person who has met him in LA *wants* to be friends with him anymore, and there isn't a reason in the world they should give a near-stranger with a shady past who was an ass to their friend some kind of chance.
One of the people in this social circle forwarded the relevant info to Andy's part time, informal employer (another friend, since mostly Andy seems to be relying on social networking), who decided she'd prefer to not work with him in the future.
Since Andy didn't *actually have a job*, its hard to describe this as being fired. Since most of these people were acquaintances he knew from Molly, it's hard to see how her talking about this with her friends constitutes 'ruining his life and career'. A social network is not a career.
Molly has since contacted the AA blogs, which connects this to the general Andy timeline.
Andy's friends are ACTIVELY perpetuating the narrative of the first two facts, blaming this on the AA blogs. The volume of the obfuscation is incredible. Apart from providing an easily found record of events over the last 25 years, the blogs were completely un-involved! How can anyone blame these events on the AA community, and say that it's destroying his life and preventing him from making a fresh start? They talk a lot about what we want from Andy, to prove he's changed-- but what exactly do they want from us??? Do they want the teablogger to just...delete their blog? Do they want the fanlore thanfiction information to vanish? Should Molly's friends be rolling out the red carpet and purchasing commissions from someone they owe nothing too? Is that what the 'benefit of the doubt' entails???
If his friends in VA care about him at all, and he was honest with them about his plans, how can they have agreed that it was a good idea for him to move across the country without a job or a rental agreement? I suspect that he didn't tell them that, and that he straight up lied to them about his arrangements for the summer. He's certainly lying to them now. That's something they should think about.
Re: Just to summarize
(Anonymous) 2018-06-26 12:07 am (UTC)(link)Re: Just to summarize
(Anonymous) 2018-06-26 02:51 am (UTC)(link)like, where the fuck is this cognitive dissonance occurring? are they genuinely trying to sell us the guff that if they found out their house-guest WAS A RAPIST, they'd just shrug it off as a mistake from the past???
COME ON.
Re: Just to summarize
(Anonymous) 2018-06-27 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)I think seeing it all laid out like this makes it so obvious how this incident fits into the standard pattern of his behaviour. And it's a pattern that he needs to break - these are all things that he has done before and he objectively cannot continue to do if he wants to function independently in the adult world.
He pins everything on grandiose plans that have no foundation and wings it instead of laying the groundwork to make them actually happen. He inflates vague promises, favours and off-hand offers into concrete commitments that the other person never agreed to. When someone else does do him a favour, he pushes it as far as he possibly can until he pisses them off so badly that the bridge is effectively burned. He tries to make himself the centre of a pre-existing group without putting in the work to develop organic, genuine relationships with that group. Instead, he alienates people very quickly through his behaviour - he's unkind, inconsiderate, offensive, and creepy. He lies, about small things and big important things, repeatedly, blatantly and inconsistently. And he seems to actively seek out unstructured environments, probably as a means of disguising all of the above.
You can't DO this in real life. You just can't! ESPECIALLY not in creative industries - in this line of work you must be able to organise yourself effectively, to build solid relationships with people, to be reliable. Based on this incident I would not hire him to work for me because it is obvious that he's not reliable, does not plan ahead and would not work well with others, and I would never be able to trust him.
Re: Just to summarize
(Anonymous) 2018-06-27 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)He's been doing exactly the same thing for 15 years!
Re: Just to summarize
(Anonymous) 2018-06-29 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)