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Does anyone know how long Andy has been smoking and when he switched to vaping?
I didn’t think he could get more annoying but all I can think is that some how he thinks this makes him look cool.
Not believe the IQ boast either Andy. You are screamingly average in all ways and you will die screamingly average.
I didn’t think he could get more annoying but all I can think is that some how he thinks this makes him look cool.
Not believe the IQ boast either Andy. You are screamingly average in all ways and you will die screamingly average.
To my knowledge he started smoking when he started claiming to be Elijah Wood. When he came to visit me in Oregon. So 2002 I think. No idea about switching to vaping tho.
-KQ
-KQ
teablogger did a new post:
http://theteablogger.tumblr.com/post/175056667612/i-can-sell-you-realities-some-of-you-may
This isn't funny, it's just kind of pathetic, especially the way the former landlady describes his antics. Reminds me of KQ's description of how he used to sob theatrically and then scold her mother for not 'checking up on him'; he has a reaction he wants and goes to the most childish method of getting it, rather than using an actual human connection.
http://theteablogger.tumblr.com/post/175056667612/i-can-sell-you-realities-some-of-you-may
This isn't funny, it's just kind of pathetic, especially the way the former landlady describes his antics. Reminds me of KQ's description of how he used to sob theatrically and then scold her mother for not 'checking up on him'; he has a reaction he wants and goes to the most childish method of getting it, rather than using an actual human connection.
I’m feeling the most uncomfortable mix of pity and horror right now.
And TB shoots down all of his bullshit:
http://theteablogger.tumblr.com/post/175116944367/bullshit
http://theteablogger.tumblr.com/post/175116944367/bullshit
Oh, Andy. :(
If you really want that second chance, you're going to have to stop digging in the same ditch.
If you really want that second chance, you're going to have to stop digging in the same ditch.
Creating a new subthread for this as it's interesting enough to warrant its own discussion (and so that we can avoid armchair psychology when there's already a concrete statement of fact available):
Diagnosed ASPD. I was there. narcissist, ASPD and possibly some aspects of the autism spectrum. Comorbid and causing distorted presentation. I was in the psychiatrist office with him, and after he pulled out the file and read parts of it to me and interrogated me on what I thought of it. Mostly at the time it was me trying to disprove what they said to him - symptoms he doesn't have or presents differently, etc. -KQ
Diagnosed ASPD. I was there. narcissist, ASPD and possibly some aspects of the autism spectrum. Comorbid and causing distorted presentation. I was in the psychiatrist office with him, and after he pulled out the file and read parts of it to me and interrogated me on what I thought of it. Mostly at the time it was me trying to disprove what they said to him - symptoms he doesn't have or presents differently, etc. -KQ
yes, and yet in the last 24 hours he bald-facedly claims he's never been given a diagnosis of either, which directly contradicts KQ's statement. I know who I believe!!
I remember several years ago KQ declining to state the diagnosis Andy was given while she was still with him, but hinted heavily it was narcissim and/or sociopathy. I can't remember exactly where online she said that, if it was here or on her blogs, but it exists in the timeline.
I remember several years ago KQ declining to state the diagnosis Andy was given while she was still with him, but hinted heavily it was narcissim and/or sociopathy. I can't remember exactly where online she said that, if it was here or on her blogs, but it exists in the timeline.
What's the point of him doing this? Is it self-defense? Abuse for abuse's sake?
I think the meanness toward trans* people especially confuses me, particularly if they're trans* guys and therefore not part of Andy's usual demographic (girls and young women). A young trans* person (I assume a trans boy/man because of the similarities the person mentions to Andy) on FFA wrote that Andy openly "mocked and belittled" them when they told him about their gender. I know that Andy doesn't consider himself part of the trans* community, but to be deliberately cruel like that is just nasty.
https://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/320719.html?thread=1840025295#cmt1840025295
I think the meanness toward trans* people especially confuses me, particularly if they're trans* guys and therefore not part of Andy's usual demographic (girls and young women). A young trans* person (I assume a trans boy/man because of the similarities the person mentions to Andy) on FFA wrote that Andy openly "mocked and belittled" them when they told him about their gender. I know that Andy doesn't consider himself part of the trans* community, but to be deliberately cruel like that is just nasty.
https://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/320719.html?thread=1840025295#cmt1840025295
I think the mistake we all make when questioning andy's motives is we assume he thinks and feels like we do. he doesn't. as KQ has said numerous times, his ultimate objective is power and control. he has identified abusive tactics as a way to achieve this over others, and therefore that is what he does. I do absolutely believe andy has a robust sadistic streak that means he gets pleasure out of hurting people - but more honestly, he just doesn't give enough of a fuck about other people to care about his impacts on them, so long as he gets what he wants - power and control. if he has to abuse people to get it, well, then that's what he has to do to get what he wants. he doesn't CARE. and to the rest of us, who do care, this is incomprehensible.
With more from Andy's former host in LA.
http://theteablogger.tumblr.com/post/175160579687/more-from-andys-former-host-in-la-my-fiance
Holy SHIT that menu...
http://theteablogger.tumblr.com/post/175160579687/more-from-andys-former-host-in-la-my-fiance
Holy SHIT that menu...
The revelation that he can't even boil eggs is hilarious.
TB has a brief update about Andy and his friends starting a Facebook account to defend Andy from all the "cyberbullying" and slander he's endured:
http://theteablogger.tumblr.com/post/175241612252/the-other-side
https://www.facebook.com/andrewblakefaq/
TB: Andy’s friends have created this page to tell their side of the story, to counter the “cyberbullying” they say he’s suffering, and to insinuate that Molly and her friends are lying about and/or wildly misconstruing what happened during Andy’s stay with her. You hardly even have to read between the lines to see that’s what they’re doing. From what they’ve written so far, it is clear that Andy hasn’t given his friends a complete and honest picture of what happened and why he was made to leave.
Honestly, guys, what I have shared from Molly is far from the worst of what he did and said. The Stickening and the planned CR dinner are both relatively innocuous and even kind of funny in comparison to the rest. But a number of third parties are involved in the other stories, and some of them understandably are not comfortable with the kind of attention that sharing could generate. I hate to be cryptic, but I think it’s important to make it clear that there were many more creepy and disturbing things going on than the public is currently aware of, while still respecting people’s privacy.
http://theteablogger.tumblr.com/post/175241612252/the-other-side
https://www.facebook.com/andrewblakefaq/
TB: Andy’s friends have created this page to tell their side of the story, to counter the “cyberbullying” they say he’s suffering, and to insinuate that Molly and her friends are lying about and/or wildly misconstruing what happened during Andy’s stay with her. You hardly even have to read between the lines to see that’s what they’re doing. From what they’ve written so far, it is clear that Andy hasn’t given his friends a complete and honest picture of what happened and why he was made to leave.
Honestly, guys, what I have shared from Molly is far from the worst of what he did and said. The Stickening and the planned CR dinner are both relatively innocuous and even kind of funny in comparison to the rest. But a number of third parties are involved in the other stories, and some of them understandably are not comfortable with the kind of attention that sharing could generate. I hate to be cryptic, but I think it’s important to make it clear that there were many more creepy and disturbing things going on than the public is currently aware of, while still respecting people’s privacy.
I see the army guy, and Meg. Where is this mysterious army of defenders he supposedly has?
Circling back to how SAD he is because he LOST FIFTEEN FRIENDS and he DOESN'T KNOW WHY, did anyone else catch that he claims he doesn't know what people have heard or what people have said about him?
He knows full what what people say about him - he knows about here, he knows about people like teablogger. It's all there for public viewing. He's trying to act like people are coming up with random shit like "Andy is the Zodiac killer" when in reality people have only attributed things to him that HE ACTUALLY DID.
I just... I really shouldn't be surprised, but surely that bullshit is just a bridge too far. He can't simultaneously claim to know that people are spreading rumors about him online AND YET ALSO have no idea what the contents of those rumors are. What absolutely bullshit.
He knows full what what people say about him - he knows about here, he knows about people like teablogger. It's all there for public viewing. He's trying to act like people are coming up with random shit like "Andy is the Zodiac killer" when in reality people have only attributed things to him that HE ACTUALLY DID.
I just... I really shouldn't be surprised, but surely that bullshit is just a bridge too far. He can't simultaneously claim to know that people are spreading rumors about him online AND YET ALSO have no idea what the contents of those rumors are. What absolutely bullshit.
Some people in the notes of TB's post brought that up: http://theteablogger.tumblr.com/post/175246888792/bemusedlybespectacled-arse-moriendi
Worth reading the article linked in there, it's dead-on accurate wrt what Andy is doing.
Worth reading the article linked in there, it's dead-on accurate wrt what Andy is doing.
Another LA Critical Role Person's Summary of Andy's Behavior
(Anonymous) 2018-06-25 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)From this Facebook thread, worth its own highlighting: https://www.facebook.com/mollyunicornqueen/posts/2257236451170718?comment_id=2257620004465696&reply_comment_id=2258043257756704&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D
I was sleeping when this all went down. But here is what I have to add:
1. I can verify that we were ALL creeped out by him and his behavior. He lied constantly, said shitty things to our friends, fabricated scenarios to get attention and sympathy, tried to force himself into our friend group through ingratiating himself to us with bizarre acts (dog painting, offering to henna my pregnant stomach, etc.)
2. He lied and told a heavily fictionalized version of his past to Molly and Chris in which he painted himself as the unfair victim of “internet drama”- leaving out the major theft, faked death/suicides, stalking, his part in two murders and an actual suicide, rape, and sexual abuse he had committed.
3. I had MULTIPLE conversations with Molly prior to her finding out the scope of his past behavior where she indicated she was feeling uneasy about Andrew wanting to be in her house and wanted him to leave.
4. She planned to ask him to leave following her trip, the info she found out from our friend only made the decision more urgent for her.
5. Andrew lied to my face about his costuming experience, how long he was planning on staying w Chris and Molly (he told me he had a full time gig & was staying for the whole summer while he got set up in LA.) He also told me he had never been to LA before (!!!)
6. Andrew made transphobic and homophobic comments to and about my friends. He also presented himself as a Cis gendered male, which is his prerogative I suppose, but is extremely disingenuous about who he actually is
7. His time was up w our circle BEFORE we found out his past and the reason his time was up was solely based on his behavior in our lives
8. We were not contacted by anyone outside our group to fill in the facts of Andrew’s past- one of our closest friends knew about him, was concerned enough to say something to multiple people in the group, and we all evaluated that information on our own - including his former “employer” who was not even given the info by Molly, but by a mutual friend who was also concerned
9. To a person we all wish and hope Andrew really does get better and turn his life around, but from our first hand experience it does not seem that is the case
10. He is 100% not welcome in our community, our homes, our social media, or our lives
11. This is not the word of Molly against Andrew- this is the word of MANY people who interacted w Andrew while he was here in our space who had individual experiences with him. Molly has zero to prove. Instead of going at her, you would do better to maybe ask all of us individually what led us to the conclusion that Andrew was dangerous and manipulative. Or, better yet, ask ANDREW why 20+ people came to this conclusion about him IN TWO WEEKS (and don’t take “the blogs” for an answer— because none of us -including Molly- knew about the blogs until the day he was asked to leave and he was asked to leave before any of us had a chance to fully read the information about him)
Anyhow- no one is trying to ruin Andrew’s life (he’s done a great job of that on his own by lying and being disingenuous) - he is simply not welcome here and we feel obligated (given how he lied about his past, his present, and his circumstances to us) to warn others in our LA community about his bullshit. Which is our prerogative.
I was sleeping when this all went down. But here is what I have to add:
1. I can verify that we were ALL creeped out by him and his behavior. He lied constantly, said shitty things to our friends, fabricated scenarios to get attention and sympathy, tried to force himself into our friend group through ingratiating himself to us with bizarre acts (dog painting, offering to henna my pregnant stomach, etc.)
2. He lied and told a heavily fictionalized version of his past to Molly and Chris in which he painted himself as the unfair victim of “internet drama”- leaving out the major theft, faked death/suicides, stalking, his part in two murders and an actual suicide, rape, and sexual abuse he had committed.
3. I had MULTIPLE conversations with Molly prior to her finding out the scope of his past behavior where she indicated she was feeling uneasy about Andrew wanting to be in her house and wanted him to leave.
4. She planned to ask him to leave following her trip, the info she found out from our friend only made the decision more urgent for her.
5. Andrew lied to my face about his costuming experience, how long he was planning on staying w Chris and Molly (he told me he had a full time gig & was staying for the whole summer while he got set up in LA.) He also told me he had never been to LA before (!!!)
6. Andrew made transphobic and homophobic comments to and about my friends. He also presented himself as a Cis gendered male, which is his prerogative I suppose, but is extremely disingenuous about who he actually is
7. His time was up w our circle BEFORE we found out his past and the reason his time was up was solely based on his behavior in our lives
8. We were not contacted by anyone outside our group to fill in the facts of Andrew’s past- one of our closest friends knew about him, was concerned enough to say something to multiple people in the group, and we all evaluated that information on our own - including his former “employer” who was not even given the info by Molly, but by a mutual friend who was also concerned
9. To a person we all wish and hope Andrew really does get better and turn his life around, but from our first hand experience it does not seem that is the case
10. He is 100% not welcome in our community, our homes, our social media, or our lives
11. This is not the word of Molly against Andrew- this is the word of MANY people who interacted w Andrew while he was here in our space who had individual experiences with him. Molly has zero to prove. Instead of going at her, you would do better to maybe ask all of us individually what led us to the conclusion that Andrew was dangerous and manipulative. Or, better yet, ask ANDREW why 20+ people came to this conclusion about him IN TWO WEEKS (and don’t take “the blogs” for an answer— because none of us -including Molly- knew about the blogs until the day he was asked to leave and he was asked to leave before any of us had a chance to fully read the information about him)
Anyhow- no one is trying to ruin Andrew’s life (he’s done a great job of that on his own by lying and being disingenuous) - he is simply not welcome here and we feel obligated (given how he lied about his past, his present, and his circumstances to us) to warn others in our LA community about his bullshit. Which is our prerogative.
[name redacted] I’m not going to change my statement.
He may not have been a minor (the cut off on that changes from place to place), but he was a teenager. And Abbey (nice to meet you) you were not, correct? You were an adult by every legal definition.
And you met this kid online, and you believed him when he told you that he was speaking to elves?
So... how did he wield such power over you, that you were the sole victim and he the sole abuser, there?
I’m not denying Andy was behaving in a manner that was clearly toxic to himself and everyone around him. He’s not denying that, either.
But why didn’t you stop it? Why didn’t you say, “Honey, elves aren’t real and you can’t talk to Dead movie stars”?
Why would you put your trust in someone who told you they are and he could? Especially a teenager?? I mean... the baseline of teenagers is “batshit crazy” to begin with.
Yeah, Andy was a walking disaster area. But, by all accounts, you contributed to that. And yet all I see is you and Molly and “tea blogger” putting all the blame on a mentally ill teenager who, instead of getting the help and boundaries and support he needed, was enabled and encouraged by you. And then handed the sole blame for the fallout.
It seems to me that the main reason Andy has been cast as the villain in all this is that you got your story out first. And he’s bought into it, too. He thinks it was all his fault, too.
But I think you are a lot more responsible than you’re acknowledging, and I think this whole thing has gone on too long, and has been built on shadows of shadows of itself.
Molly has reported Andy doing nothing more than making her feel uncomfortable and not cleaning up after himself. Which makes him a crappy houseguest, but does not make him a sociopath. But because you guys have built an entire subculture around vilifying him, suddenly everything he does is ramped up to “dangerous”. And anyone who likes him or defends him has been “brainwashed”.
Which is kind of insulting, btw. Just because you chose to follow his mentally ill fantasy paths doesn’t mean I would. Or Chris would. Or Meg would. Most adults know the difference between reality and fantasy.
Andy hasn’t brainwashed me. I don’t even know him. But he told me his story. And I read the accounts from news articles and from the teablogger’s blog. And they all draw a pretty strange picture.
Mostly what I see is a bunch of fandom geeks (and, Hey, I’m one, too) getting waaaay too wrapped up in their fandoms, and deciding it would be more fun to pretend that fiction is real than grow up. And all you lost boys chose Andy as your Peter Pan and followed him to Neverland.
And maybe he did lead the way. But you chose to follow him. And you were the adult. And he was the kid.
Now he’s trying to rebuild his life, in a world where people don’t believe in elves. He’s not telling anyone he has super powers. He’s not telling anyone he can communicate with other dimensions. He’s not trying to run massive events he has no qualifications to do (and who spends $15K of their own money without a contract?? Seriously, people!!). He’s just trying to get a job and live his life.
Leave him alone to do it, please.
He may not have been a minor (the cut off on that changes from place to place), but he was a teenager. And Abbey (nice to meet you) you were not, correct? You were an adult by every legal definition.
And you met this kid online, and you believed him when he told you that he was speaking to elves?
So... how did he wield such power over you, that you were the sole victim and he the sole abuser, there?
I’m not denying Andy was behaving in a manner that was clearly toxic to himself and everyone around him. He’s not denying that, either.
But why didn’t you stop it? Why didn’t you say, “Honey, elves aren’t real and you can’t talk to Dead movie stars”?
Why would you put your trust in someone who told you they are and he could? Especially a teenager?? I mean... the baseline of teenagers is “batshit crazy” to begin with.
Yeah, Andy was a walking disaster area. But, by all accounts, you contributed to that. And yet all I see is you and Molly and “tea blogger” putting all the blame on a mentally ill teenager who, instead of getting the help and boundaries and support he needed, was enabled and encouraged by you. And then handed the sole blame for the fallout.
It seems to me that the main reason Andy has been cast as the villain in all this is that you got your story out first. And he’s bought into it, too. He thinks it was all his fault, too.
But I think you are a lot more responsible than you’re acknowledging, and I think this whole thing has gone on too long, and has been built on shadows of shadows of itself.
Molly has reported Andy doing nothing more than making her feel uncomfortable and not cleaning up after himself. Which makes him a crappy houseguest, but does not make him a sociopath. But because you guys have built an entire subculture around vilifying him, suddenly everything he does is ramped up to “dangerous”. And anyone who likes him or defends him has been “brainwashed”.
Which is kind of insulting, btw. Just because you chose to follow his mentally ill fantasy paths doesn’t mean I would. Or Chris would. Or Meg would. Most adults know the difference between reality and fantasy.
Andy hasn’t brainwashed me. I don’t even know him. But he told me his story. And I read the accounts from news articles and from the teablogger’s blog. And they all draw a pretty strange picture.
Mostly what I see is a bunch of fandom geeks (and, Hey, I’m one, too) getting waaaay too wrapped up in their fandoms, and deciding it would be more fun to pretend that fiction is real than grow up. And all you lost boys chose Andy as your Peter Pan and followed him to Neverland.
And maybe he did lead the way. But you chose to follow him. And you were the adult. And he was the kid.
Now he’s trying to rebuild his life, in a world where people don’t believe in elves. He’s not telling anyone he has super powers. He’s not telling anyone he can communicate with other dimensions. He’s not trying to run massive events he has no qualifications to do (and who spends $15K of their own money without a contract?? Seriously, people!!). He’s just trying to get a job and live his life.
Leave him alone to do it, please.
Christ, what an asshole.
Abbey, I’m sorry for all you went through. Truly. And I’m not asking you, or Molly, or anybody, to like Andrew, or be his friend, or anything at all. Just leave him alone. That’s it. If we’re right and he has changed, that will bear out. If you’re right and he hasn’t, that will come to light eventually as well. We’re not joining a hobbit cult. We’re not sending him thousands of dollars. I can’t speak for anyone but myself (but I imagine his other friends feel similarly) when I say that all I want is for him to get a fair chance to be a better person.
So just....stop. Stop talking shit about him in public forums. Stop trying to ruin his job prospects. You don’t ever need to engage with him ever again, in any way.
Look, I’ve been through some super traumatic shit. I understand the desire to stay in that place and try to “fix it” or give payback or punish the person you think is responsible. I stayed in that place for a really long time, and it fucked me up really badly. I honestly hope you find a way to heal from all this and move forward.
But try to remember that Andy wasn’t and isn’t a monster. He was a fucked up kid. And he’s been open and honest about what that meant and how he’s trying to get better and move forward. No, he can’t ever undo what happened in the past. But I sure would hate for my whole life to be only about the worst thing I ever did. Wouldn’t you?
Those last two sentences are a direct quote from Andy, no? I'm pretty sure I've read them before.
So is "fucked up kid."
And the suggestion that Abbey/anyone talking about Andy is doing so to "punish" him is pretty much exactly what he said in his last self-pitying Facebook posts.
So just....stop. Stop talking shit about him in public forums. Stop trying to ruin his job prospects. You don’t ever need to engage with him ever again, in any way.
Look, I’ve been through some super traumatic shit. I understand the desire to stay in that place and try to “fix it” or give payback or punish the person you think is responsible. I stayed in that place for a really long time, and it fucked me up really badly. I honestly hope you find a way to heal from all this and move forward.
But try to remember that Andy wasn’t and isn’t a monster. He was a fucked up kid. And he’s been open and honest about what that meant and how he’s trying to get better and move forward. No, he can’t ever undo what happened in the past. But I sure would hate for my whole life to be only about the worst thing I ever did. Wouldn’t you?
Those last two sentences are a direct quote from Andy, no? I'm pretty sure I've read them before.
So is "fucked up kid."
And the suggestion that Abbey/anyone talking about Andy is doing so to "punish" him is pretty much exactly what he said in his last self-pitying Facebook posts.
"Abbey, I’m sorry for all you went through. Truly."
Oh, what disengenuous bullshit. If he cared, he wouldn't have said that it was her fault and she invited it by falling for him. What an asshole.
Oh, what disengenuous bullshit. If he cared, he wouldn't have said that it was her fault and she invited it by falling for him. What an asshole.
It's a little redundant, but I kind of want to make a point-by-point list of the obfuscation happening.
The Andy narrative:
1) Andy has changed! In the last four years he's done a lot of work on himself, and all his friends agree he's a much better person now. He has a job lined up in LA, and drives across the country to work there for the summer. While he's there, he rents from his friend Molly and her fiancee
2) EVERYTHING IS RUINED! The AA blogs contacted Molly, and she immediately kicked him out and got him fired from his job. The AA blogs are contacting people in LA and spreading lies about him, making it so he can't advance in the industry.
Except, it follows that what actually happened was that he had some part time work lined up as a verbal agreement (no full time job), and was only supposed to crash with Molly (kind acquaintance) for a week. If he told people he had a full time job or actual housing worked out, he was lying to them.
He was a rude houseguest, and creeped out Molly and her friends. He was hurtful to her friends, and displayed many red-flags.
He wanted to live with Molly rent-free, all summer, despite never asking for this directly. She had agreed to let him crash for a week in exchange for a commission (but mostly as a favor).
He straight up lied to many people, repeatedly, constantly. Things that were blatant, like "I have never lived in LA before."
While he was in LA, he made multiple attempts to get Molly to help him connect with celebrities (specifically the Critical Role cast).
A friend of Molly's sent her a few links, she did some research. It all lined up with what she knew of him, she asked him to leave.
People who had recently met him mostly didn't like him, and now that they knew about his past (from google!) they weren't interested in continuing their acquaintance. This is partly because of stuff he's done in the past, and partly because he's been shitty to people they know in their social circle. Molly hasn't ordered anyone to cut of contact with him or anything- there is no 'him vs her' in this case-- Molly is their friend of many years. They barely know Andy, and for the most part, what they know of him they don't like. Not a single person who has met him in LA *wants* to be friends with him anymore, and there isn't a reason in the world they should give a near-stranger with a shady past who was an ass to their friend some kind of chance.
One of the people in this social circle forwarded the relevant info to Andy's part time, informal employer (another friend, since mostly Andy seems to be relying on social networking), who decided she'd prefer to not work with him in the future.
Since Andy didn't *actually have a job*, its hard to describe this as being fired. Since most of these people were acquaintances he knew from Molly, it's hard to see how her talking about this with her friends constitutes 'ruining his life and career'. A social network is not a career.
Molly has since contacted the AA blogs, which connects this to the general Andy timeline.
Andy's friends are ACTIVELY perpetuating the narrative of the first two facts, blaming this on the AA blogs. The volume of the obfuscation is incredible. Apart from providing an easily found record of events over the last 25 years, the blogs were completely un-involved! How can anyone blame these events on the AA community, and say that it's destroying his life and preventing him from making a fresh start? They talk a lot about what we want from Andy, to prove he's changed-- but what exactly do they want from us??? Do they want the teablogger to just...delete their blog? Do they want the fanlore thanfiction information to vanish? Should Molly's friends be rolling out the red carpet and purchasing commissions from someone they owe nothing too? Is that what the 'benefit of the doubt' entails???
If his friends in VA care about him at all, and he was honest with them about his plans, how can they have agreed that it was a good idea for him to move across the country without a job or a rental agreement? I suspect that he didn't tell them that, and that he straight up lied to them about his arrangements for the summer. He's certainly lying to them now. That's something they should think about.
The Andy narrative:
1) Andy has changed! In the last four years he's done a lot of work on himself, and all his friends agree he's a much better person now. He has a job lined up in LA, and drives across the country to work there for the summer. While he's there, he rents from his friend Molly and her fiancee
2) EVERYTHING IS RUINED! The AA blogs contacted Molly, and she immediately kicked him out and got him fired from his job. The AA blogs are contacting people in LA and spreading lies about him, making it so he can't advance in the industry.
Except, it follows that what actually happened was that he had some part time work lined up as a verbal agreement (no full time job), and was only supposed to crash with Molly (kind acquaintance) for a week. If he told people he had a full time job or actual housing worked out, he was lying to them.
He was a rude houseguest, and creeped out Molly and her friends. He was hurtful to her friends, and displayed many red-flags.
He wanted to live with Molly rent-free, all summer, despite never asking for this directly. She had agreed to let him crash for a week in exchange for a commission (but mostly as a favor).
He straight up lied to many people, repeatedly, constantly. Things that were blatant, like "I have never lived in LA before."
While he was in LA, he made multiple attempts to get Molly to help him connect with celebrities (specifically the Critical Role cast).
A friend of Molly's sent her a few links, she did some research. It all lined up with what she knew of him, she asked him to leave.
People who had recently met him mostly didn't like him, and now that they knew about his past (from google!) they weren't interested in continuing their acquaintance. This is partly because of stuff he's done in the past, and partly because he's been shitty to people they know in their social circle. Molly hasn't ordered anyone to cut of contact with him or anything- there is no 'him vs her' in this case-- Molly is their friend of many years. They barely know Andy, and for the most part, what they know of him they don't like. Not a single person who has met him in LA *wants* to be friends with him anymore, and there isn't a reason in the world they should give a near-stranger with a shady past who was an ass to their friend some kind of chance.
One of the people in this social circle forwarded the relevant info to Andy's part time, informal employer (another friend, since mostly Andy seems to be relying on social networking), who decided she'd prefer to not work with him in the future.
Since Andy didn't *actually have a job*, its hard to describe this as being fired. Since most of these people were acquaintances he knew from Molly, it's hard to see how her talking about this with her friends constitutes 'ruining his life and career'. A social network is not a career.
Molly has since contacted the AA blogs, which connects this to the general Andy timeline.
Andy's friends are ACTIVELY perpetuating the narrative of the first two facts, blaming this on the AA blogs. The volume of the obfuscation is incredible. Apart from providing an easily found record of events over the last 25 years, the blogs were completely un-involved! How can anyone blame these events on the AA community, and say that it's destroying his life and preventing him from making a fresh start? They talk a lot about what we want from Andy, to prove he's changed-- but what exactly do they want from us??? Do they want the teablogger to just...delete their blog? Do they want the fanlore thanfiction information to vanish? Should Molly's friends be rolling out the red carpet and purchasing commissions from someone they owe nothing too? Is that what the 'benefit of the doubt' entails???
If his friends in VA care about him at all, and he was honest with them about his plans, how can they have agreed that it was a good idea for him to move across the country without a job or a rental agreement? I suspect that he didn't tell them that, and that he straight up lied to them about his arrangements for the summer. He's certainly lying to them now. That's something they should think about.
Also Molly said she had already decided to ask Andy to leave, without having looked at any of his past on any AA blog. The AA blogs only confirmed that what she was experiencing was the norm for him and perhaps sped up the timeline a bit.
Another thing I've noticed, that I wanted to put a pin in: Andy publicly says that he mistreated Abbey, and he graciously gives her leave to talk about that, etc., but his defenders have a very similar way of talking about her that leads me to speculate that she's a common talking point behind the scenes.
Several years ago there was the dust-up over ceirdwenfc accusing Abbey of sexually taking advantage of Andy as a minor (Andy had told her they'd gotten together at 17). When it turned out that Abbey had documentation that she hadn't met him until he was 19, Andy posted a great big 'apology' and left CFC out to dry.
In his most recent post-Molly clarification post, he says that NONE of the people have actually met him in real life except for Abbey. This is wildly untrue. People who have posted on various AA media include Winjennster (to some extent), the two people from the trail of tears hike, Brittany's father, and one former DAYDian. Diamond also blogged on livejournal about her time with Andy, and her descriptions are really viscerally horrifying. TF-talk also had a 'who actually knows andy IRL' thread, and multiple people did, or were very close to people who did. HOWEVER, it's again leading people to the idea that all this information about him dates back to Abbey EXCLUSIVELY...again, the person who was only with him from ages 19-24 when he still gets some 'messed up kid' benefit of the doubt.
Now from in the Andrew Blake FAQ post we have someone saying:
"I’ve read the accusations made against him, and find them odd, to say the least. It’s clear he had some sort of mental breakdown, and dragged a few people along with him, but I also kind of wonder at the sort of people who would invest so heavily in a delusional teenager in the first place. The phrases “hobbit cult” and “communed with elves from another dimension” rather baffle me.
From all accounts (including her own) Andy’s misadventures with his ex, Abbey, seem at least as much her responsibility as his, if anything, because she was an adult at the time and he was a minor."
The same person, in response to Abbey:
"Don’t bother. Andy does that himself. And he’s not a teenager any more, and he’s not involved in fandom anymore, so if he were to start a new cult it would be with rational adults who know the difference between reality and fantasy, which is a lot harder to do. He also has a lot of skeptical no-bullshit friends who are keeping a close eye"
A different person:
"When I was 18 I believed an anime dog demon was my true love and we were meant to be together. The adults who loved me found out and got me help.They did not tell me I was special and then help me fake my death. They did not smuggle me across the country and use me as the figurehead of a cult. They sure as hell didn't place the actions of an adult on my childish behavior. Y'all relationship was toxic but it was mutually toxic. Take some responsibility, get some therapy, and live your life."
Again, we have multiple people implying that Andy's only victim was Abbey, and that his 'abuse' all took place during that 19-24 year old window.
If Abbey was the only reference for Andy awareness, I'd be skeptical too. He WAS young, folie a duex is a thing. If it was Abbey and Diamond (let me again reiterate how affecting I found her writing about this), I'd be much more skeptical of the 'there's two sides to the story' statements.
But...after his channeling hobbits/Tentmoot/alternate universe X-men/Pevensie children, he posted an 'apology' saying he'd been a mixed up kid sufferring from gender dysphoria and he was out of fandom. Then he changed handles and started in Harry Potter.
In Harry Potter he did ALL THE SAME THINGS, and he wasn't 18-24 any more. There are many, many many accounts of this. This time also featured the 'evil twin sister', the 'pay for my travel because I'm dying of a heart defect', 'I was raised by Irish grandfather and fought on both sides of the Troubles', etc.
Then came Supernatural...
The Abbey stuff isn't the most recent. It isn't even the flashiest. The easiest to defend is probably the 'victim blaming him for Brittany's murder angle.' He probably has more notoriety as "Thanfiction" than he ever did as VB. But everyone goes back to the 'mixed up 19 year old who thinks he's talking to elves'. I would bet he likes to drop bread crumbs to that conclusion. He would NEVER say anything negative about his ex Abbey's role in all this...but he was very young...he was very mixed up...yes she was 5-6 years older than him, but he ABUSED her guys and he feels SO BADLY about it and deserves all this punishment and so much more...though it does suck that these total strangers are going after him in her name...etc.' I have no proof that this is the case, but I'd bet on it.
Several years ago there was the dust-up over ceirdwenfc accusing Abbey of sexually taking advantage of Andy as a minor (Andy had told her they'd gotten together at 17). When it turned out that Abbey had documentation that she hadn't met him until he was 19, Andy posted a great big 'apology' and left CFC out to dry.
In his most recent post-Molly clarification post, he says that NONE of the people have actually met him in real life except for Abbey. This is wildly untrue. People who have posted on various AA media include Winjennster (to some extent), the two people from the trail of tears hike, Brittany's father, and one former DAYDian. Diamond also blogged on livejournal about her time with Andy, and her descriptions are really viscerally horrifying. TF-talk also had a 'who actually knows andy IRL' thread, and multiple people did, or were very close to people who did. HOWEVER, it's again leading people to the idea that all this information about him dates back to Abbey EXCLUSIVELY...again, the person who was only with him from ages 19-24 when he still gets some 'messed up kid' benefit of the doubt.
Now from in the Andrew Blake FAQ post we have someone saying:
"I’ve read the accusations made against him, and find them odd, to say the least. It’s clear he had some sort of mental breakdown, and dragged a few people along with him, but I also kind of wonder at the sort of people who would invest so heavily in a delusional teenager in the first place. The phrases “hobbit cult” and “communed with elves from another dimension” rather baffle me.
From all accounts (including her own) Andy’s misadventures with his ex, Abbey, seem at least as much her responsibility as his, if anything, because she was an adult at the time and he was a minor."
The same person, in response to Abbey:
"Don’t bother. Andy does that himself. And he’s not a teenager any more, and he’s not involved in fandom anymore, so if he were to start a new cult it would be with rational adults who know the difference between reality and fantasy, which is a lot harder to do. He also has a lot of skeptical no-bullshit friends who are keeping a close eye"
A different person:
"When I was 18 I believed an anime dog demon was my true love and we were meant to be together. The adults who loved me found out and got me help.They did not tell me I was special and then help me fake my death. They did not smuggle me across the country and use me as the figurehead of a cult. They sure as hell didn't place the actions of an adult on my childish behavior. Y'all relationship was toxic but it was mutually toxic. Take some responsibility, get some therapy, and live your life."
Again, we have multiple people implying that Andy's only victim was Abbey, and that his 'abuse' all took place during that 19-24 year old window.
If Abbey was the only reference for Andy awareness, I'd be skeptical too. He WAS young, folie a duex is a thing. If it was Abbey and Diamond (let me again reiterate how affecting I found her writing about this), I'd be much more skeptical of the 'there's two sides to the story' statements.
But...after his channeling hobbits/Tentmoot/alternate universe X-men/Pevensie children, he posted an 'apology' saying he'd been a mixed up kid sufferring from gender dysphoria and he was out of fandom. Then he changed handles and started in Harry Potter.
In Harry Potter he did ALL THE SAME THINGS, and he wasn't 18-24 any more. There are many, many many accounts of this. This time also featured the 'evil twin sister', the 'pay for my travel because I'm dying of a heart defect', 'I was raised by Irish grandfather and fought on both sides of the Troubles', etc.
Then came Supernatural...
The Abbey stuff isn't the most recent. It isn't even the flashiest. The easiest to defend is probably the 'victim blaming him for Brittany's murder angle.' He probably has more notoriety as "Thanfiction" than he ever did as VB. But everyone goes back to the 'mixed up 19 year old who thinks he's talking to elves'. I would bet he likes to drop bread crumbs to that conclusion. He would NEVER say anything negative about his ex Abbey's role in all this...but he was very young...he was very mixed up...yes she was 5-6 years older than him, but he ABUSED her guys and he feels SO BADLY about it and deserves all this punishment and so much more...though it does suck that these total strangers are going after him in her name...etc.' I have no proof that this is the case, but I'd bet on it.
I just need to reiterate this point:
"And he’s not a teenager any more, and he’s not involved in fandom anymore, so if he were to start a new cult it would be with rational adults who know the difference between reality and fantasy, which is a lot harder to do. He also has a lot of skeptical no-bullshit friends who are keeping a close eye."
No, he wouldn't! He'd offer himself up as the older/wiser Man In Fandom who knows so much more about fandom things than you do and is so much more mature than you, little women children. That's what he did for DAYD. That's what he did in Supernatural. He's getting older, but his target demographic stays the same (young people, especially women).
"And he’s not a teenager any more, and he’s not involved in fandom anymore, so if he were to start a new cult it would be with rational adults who know the difference between reality and fantasy, which is a lot harder to do. He also has a lot of skeptical no-bullshit friends who are keeping a close eye."
No, he wouldn't! He'd offer himself up as the older/wiser Man In Fandom who knows so much more about fandom things than you do and is so much more mature than you, little women children. That's what he did for DAYD. That's what he did in Supernatural. He's getting older, but his target demographic stays the same (young people, especially women).
https://www.facebook.com/mollyunicornqueen/posts/2257236451170718?comment_id=2258593177701712&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D
will ravenjeep have the balls to admit he once again jumped the gun defending andy without having all the facts?
will he publicly apologise for harassing innocent people whilst defending a guilty one?
will he ever admit and recognise andy is playing him for a patsy?
or that at least andy isn't fucking honest with him?
I can't WAIT to see how this pans out. /sarcasm
will ravenjeep have the balls to admit he once again jumped the gun defending andy without having all the facts?
will he publicly apologise for harassing innocent people whilst defending a guilty one?
will he ever admit and recognise andy is playing him for a patsy?
or that at least andy isn't fucking honest with him?
I can't WAIT to see how this pans out. /sarcasm
"he didn't elaborate, except to say that what Andrew said happened did not at all match what I laid out for him."
Andy, saying things that aren't true? SHOCKER.
Andy, saying things that aren't true? SHOCKER.
Fyi. According to Jen and Chris's location. Chris doesn't live in Virginia. So uh. Who is there, just him and Meg, who he could have damn well brainwashed into accepting anything he said. Yknow, for an accountability coach, Chris you're an awfully long ways away from your patient.. Have screen caps of the confrontation between Jenn and Chris btw in case he decides to delete the FAQ page.
https://www.facebook.com/andrewblakefaq/photos/a.474756546296630.1073741827.474738532965098/483318358773782/?type=3&theater
When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
-Japanese Proverb
Well, to me it looks like Andy's friends are people who say really nasty things about victims of abuse, and delete anything that isn't what they want to hear. So... that checks out, actually.
When the character of a man is not clear to you, look at his friends.
-Japanese Proverb
Well, to me it looks like Andy's friends are people who say really nasty things about victims of abuse, and delete anything that isn't what they want to hear. So... that checks out, actually.
That.... that isn't really making me feel better about Andy, no.
So we know he is no longer welcome where he was squatting for the summer.
We know that he didn’t have a full time job but a piecemeal deal where he got paid per garment when they needed help and that’s gone.
His Twitter has been very quiet over all.
So where the hell is that boy? Back in Virginia finished up the degree he still hasn’t finished? Living on the Beach? Seattle? Macau Pichu?
We know that he didn’t have a full time job but a piecemeal deal where he got paid per garment when they needed help and that’s gone.
His Twitter has been very quiet over all.
So where the hell is that boy? Back in Virginia finished up the degree he still hasn’t finished? Living on the Beach? Seattle? Macau Pichu?
Buried his head in the sand while his defenders run rampant making gross accusations and echoing distortions of the truth about his victims, current and past. He'll resurface soon enough, like a garbage phoenix emerging from a pile of shit to toss his 'friends' under the bus for defending him in such a terrible manner and make some grand announcement that's also grossly inappropriate considering the controversy surrounding him.
Given how deeply he seems to have convinced Chris to be his flying monkey, I'm going to predict that sometime in future, he's going to turn to a fandom with a more masculine bent, particularly as he gets older. We know that he likes to play up his manliness ("I fought on both sides of the Troubles," the claymore story, the whole meditation-via-exercise thing), and it wouldn't be such a leap to go from fandom to something like civil war reenactments (its own kind of fandom), SCA, or even pretending to be an actual war vet.
I could also see his schtick flying really well in the PUA/red pill communities because it plays to a lot of the same fears that men in those communities have ("My life has been ruined by a mistake I made in my youth. People stalk me and go after me because of just one mistake;" "I have been accused of rape, but actually, she was the rapist and I the helpless victim, but no one believes me because I am a man;" "I have atoned for my mistake and apologized, but it's never enough for anyone! All I want is to be left alone!").
I know Abbey has said that he gravitates to fandom because, like an addict who prefers whiskey over beer or heroin over cocaine, he prefers fandom over other things. And I know that going for a more manly "fandom" would mean fewer women and trans people, i.e. his preferred victims. But there are vulnerable men who turn to hypermasculine activities for a lot of the same emotional reasons as women join fandom, particularly for the sense of community and belonging that they might otherwise lack. They could just as easily serve as narc supply and as funding/housing/etc. as anyone else.
Also, look me in the eye and tell me that Andy wouldn't try to channel Robert E. Lee.
I could also see his schtick flying really well in the PUA/red pill communities because it plays to a lot of the same fears that men in those communities have ("My life has been ruined by a mistake I made in my youth. People stalk me and go after me because of just one mistake;" "I have been accused of rape, but actually, she was the rapist and I the helpless victim, but no one believes me because I am a man;" "I have atoned for my mistake and apologized, but it's never enough for anyone! All I want is to be left alone!").
I know Abbey has said that he gravitates to fandom because, like an addict who prefers whiskey over beer or heroin over cocaine, he prefers fandom over other things. And I know that going for a more manly "fandom" would mean fewer women and trans people, i.e. his preferred victims. But there are vulnerable men who turn to hypermasculine activities for a lot of the same emotional reasons as women join fandom, particularly for the sense of community and belonging that they might otherwise lack. They could just as easily serve as narc supply and as funding/housing/etc. as anyone else.
Also, look me in the eye and tell me that Andy wouldn't try to channel Robert E. Lee.
He already did! Or at least, the grandchildren of several major Confederate figures. There was a Lee, a Pickett, a Forrest, a Jackson, a Stuart, a Hill, and a Longstreet. Off the top of my head. I've written about that before although I don't have a link handy. -KQ
Is this comm an appropriate place to talk about DAYD's issues, e.g. its sexism, racism, just plain bad storytelling, etc.? DAYD is just such a good - albeit fictional - encapsulation of all of Andy's creepy hang-ups.
In that same vein, does anyone know of some good take-downs of DAYD? I've read a few ~sporkings~ but they were all incomplete.
In that same vein, does anyone know of some good take-downs of DAYD? I've read a few ~sporkings~ but they were all incomplete.
From a mod perspective it's borderline on-topic - if you don't mind hosting that discussion in the Gloves Off post instead of the main meme that would be great. Feel free to link to the thread in this main post if you're concerned about people not finding your DAYD discussion...I just want to be relieved of the pressure of moderating it, ha.
Does he have one? I saw a post by teablogger that said he hasn't graduated, but he's apparently also moving to California for job opportunities, so... did he drop out? Was he kicked? Did he graduate but we just didn't hear about it?
While Andy previously talked about moving to LA full-time, that changed within the last few months to only moving to LA for the summer. Apparently he has to complete one more semester to graduate. Could be he didn't have enough hours to graduate (maybe all of his credits didn't transfer, and he'd assumed they had), could be that he failed a required course in his final semester, could be some other reason entirely.
I'm with you guys for the most part, but feel like the discussions on ravenjeeps whereabouts and Andy's current location verge on cyber stalking. Keeping everyone in the know about his current and past misdeeds I understand, but I legit get worried that the activity here does verge on the stalker-ish side, and I don't want the Andy FAQ people to have any fuel for their misplaced fire. Maybe the discussions that verge on doxxing people's locations should chill a bit.
Especially ravenjeep. As far as I'm concerned he is behaving like an asshat but he may be deep into Andy's web. He could be a current victim. Announcing the state he lives in, when he has done nothing close to what Andy has, may push him closer to Andy. And I know that people here don't want that. Pointing out his wrongs I think is necessary, talking about the state he lives in seems VERY wrong to me.
http://ravenjeep2001.tumblr.com/post/175386478014/im-curious-what-you-want-from-the-aa-bloggers
The swift and immediate vitriol and violence we experienced after we posted the FAQ is a compelling argument that the AA blogs are just in it to destroy Andy.
Oh honey, no. People trying to correct your FAQ, and your own ex-wife letting you know you're wrong is not vitriol. Not telling you what you want to hear is not vitriol.
The level of shit and misinformation about KQ being perpetuated by people on that FAQ, now that is vitriol.
The swift and immediate vitriol and violence we experienced after we posted the FAQ is a compelling argument that the AA blogs are just in it to destroy Andy.
Oh honey, no. People trying to correct your FAQ, and your own ex-wife letting you know you're wrong is not vitriol. Not telling you what you want to hear is not vitriol.
The level of shit and misinformation about KQ being perpetuated by people on that FAQ, now that is vitriol.
*applauds Nonnie*
That you don't care to hear the current truth is really sad.
And no one has to give you evidence or 'prove' what they say is true.
The burden of proof is entirely in your court.
That you don't care to hear the current truth is really sad.
And no one has to give you evidence or 'prove' what they say is true.
The burden of proof is entirely in your court.
Ravenjeep's latest:
"For the sake of accuracy, I spoke with the police chief for my community (happens to be a neighbor) on this subject. As a matter of police procedure, two officers would have responded. If there was no written agreement and Andy had not been there for more than 30 days, the officers would have escorted him from the property."
Of course, this is just ravenjeep's story about how that conversation went. With no hard proof, it's simply he said/she said, and as ravenjeep already told us, we shouldn't believe anything some random person on the internet (like him) says. I need a police report about the police report discussion. LOGIC.
"For the sake of accuracy, I spoke with the police chief for my community (happens to be a neighbor) on this subject. As a matter of police procedure, two officers would have responded. If there was no written agreement and Andy had not been there for more than 30 days, the officers would have escorted him from the property."
Of course, this is just ravenjeep's story about how that conversation went. With no hard proof, it's simply he said/she said, and as ravenjeep already told us, we shouldn't believe anything some random person on the internet (like him) says. I need a police report about the police report discussion. LOGIC.
Apparent he has taken not only several pages but the whole book on how to behave like Andy. Wonder if his copy is autographed
I'd not seen any photos of Andy since his Bucky pics so was quite shocked to see how...rough he's looking in the pictures from Teablogger's post about The Stickening. For the first time he looks a bit older than his age, and his bishonen days are long, long gone which can only be a good thing as it's one less weapon in his armoury with which to beguile people.
As a fellow trans guy who did tons and tons of research on the effects of synthetic hormones before taking the plunge, I was honestly surprised to see that Andy (apparently) opted to take them for any considerable amount of time, considering how much he played up the "androgynous bishounen good looks" thing and, like you've said, how much that was part of his allure to young fannish types.
I'm actually glad for him on this though. So many people can't take or can't get HRT for whatever reason. I wouldn't deny that to anyone who needed it.
I'm actually glad for him on this though. So many people can't take or can't get HRT for whatever reason. I wouldn't deny that to anyone who needed it.
This is a dumb, minor thing that's been bugging me. In Andy's Facebook post after Molly kicked him out, he said he was planning to go to the Ren Faire the next day with friends. Unless he's talking about some other Ren Faire, the only local one I know of ended mid-May.
It's such a weird, dumb thing to lie about. I'm not surprised he'd want to go, though. We went a couple of weekends before it closed and saw a very pregnant Laura Bailey wandering around.
It's such a weird, dumb thing to lie about. I'm not surprised he'd want to go, though. We went a couple of weekends before it closed and saw a very pregnant Laura Bailey wandering around.
He lies about random dumb things. Like he ordered soup at panera and complained they cut down portions and didn't serve rolls, and you could tell the soup had been half eaten, and Panera has ALWAYS served rolls there. I've been going to that chain for almost fifteen years and it just bugs me.
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