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He is mentally ill, he is seriously impaired. destroying trees for attention is pathetic, and there is… I’m not really entirely sure how to say this without sounding really ableist, but I think whatever mental issues he has going on, which probably include clinical sociopathy, are real, and severe, and are actively impairing him from living a normal life. I don’t think he’s capable of living independently. I’ve noticed that he gets a lot of shit on here for the kinds of squalor he routinely lives in, both in his own apartments and in the homes of people he’s living with, for having hygeine issues, etc— alot of the time these get presented as him expecting other people to take care of him, which I think is partially true, but some of the stuff is so extreme that it seems like a pathological inability to handle self care to me. So is the really fucked up, self-destructive way he went about going to Los Angeles —He had a paying job, he is working on a relevant degree, he could have rented a room somewhere. I find it hard to believe that his parents would’ve given him financial support to do this, including his Dad physically taking part in driving him out to California, if they didn’t think he had a stable living situation lined up, given the extreme instability and violence he’s dealt with whenever he’s been on the West Coast. But instead his plan was squatting in someone’s spare room for a week, plotting to stay there indefinitely while insulting her friends and being creepy, not pursuing alternate housing— a hair away from being homeless and living out of his car, which I think is the situation he’s in right now. The mix of NPD, ASPD, and whatever other neuro/psych issues he has going on make him a danger both to other people and, frankly, to himself. He is pitiable, and there is something very seriously mentally wrong with him that I am not sure he is capable of controlling or changing, but that doesn’t make him any less of a danger to anyone he comes in contact with, because his mental issues also involve him chronically exploiting and abusing the people close to him.

He definitely has some mental issues but would not say they hinder his ability to be self-aware or change. Andy just cannot commit to detoxing from bad habits as it is like an addiction for him and possibly due to the fact he likes attention and validation. With all his projects it is the same - he wants to be responsible for the fun part but not for the hard work and potential failure.

I doubt he is on ASPD spectrum as the main thing with it is "not understanding communication, behaviours and society" and he gets those very well. The other element is being oppositional ESPECIALLY to authorities so he would more likely be a hate blog writer. He fits manipulation criteria and egocentrism but they are traits of plenty things and can exist within individuals without issues.

However, unless his case is neurological, from what we seen of his independent life - he sure can have one if he commits to it and he just does not want to.

AYRT, I didnt mean that as “oh the poor thing can’t help it.” I think he’s a psychopath who can’t live in society without hurting people, and I think that documenting and breaking down his manipulations is vital, but that expecting him to change is unrealistic.

Diagnosed ASPD. I was there. narcissist, ASPD and possibly some aspects of the autism spectrum. Comorbid and causing distorted presentation. I was in the psychiatrist office with him, and after he pulled out the file and read parts of it to me and interrogated me on what I thought of it. Mostly at the time it was me trying to disprove what they said to him - symptoms he doesn't have or presents differently, etc. -KQ

So basically, him telling everyone he was diagnosed a delusional schizophrenic was, in fact, a lie.

Good to know, thanks.

Thank you for confirming this. I think people might take the danger Andy presents more seriously if they knew he was diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder.

I don't think it's that they don't understand... it's that they believe the behaviours and standards of society don't, or shouldn't, apply to them and have no empathy or conscience regarding others. they know very well how to imitate for personal gain, however, so I think understanding is not the issue.

AYRT: It is born from not understanding, relating or getting / feelling appropriate emotions which can be self-learned in an absolutely healthy way but the disorder part comes where it is not and goes the way you describe - you see society as an opponent in an endless game against you and the only way you can win is to play their game according to your own rules (at least that is the reasoning I had and it is as self-centred as it sounds). The hard bit is keeping yourself in check without the applause of your audience which you actually loathe (Andy fits the bill in that).

You probably phrased it better than me though as I meant it is an overtly self-aware disorder which actually can be maintained in same way as empathy is actually learnable, same as anything else.

AYRT

yes, empathy is absolutely learnable. which again underscores that these particular individuals do not wish to change.

I've always assumed he had some other diagnosis in addition to the personality disorders, since he takes meds and going off them during gishwes made him noticeably worse.

Or, you know, he just said that's why he behaved the way he did. he enjoys using his mental issues/meds to excuse his shit behavior.

DA. Sounds like it was anti-psychotic which he deliberately did not take due to what anon below said.

I don't really like to speculate on if he has a mental illness, or what kind it would be.

I can only say definitively that as a schizophrenic woman since the age of 16, I have yet to abuse anyone while in the throes of delusion. The most that really happens when I get like that is I obsessively check under my car because the Russians clearly planted a bug under it to keep track of my movements. And sometimes I shut myself up in my house and close my curtains right to keep anyone from watching what I'm doing. (Which is literally nothing most of the time.)

I've also never crashed at someone's house and overstayed my welcome, tried to insert myself into fannish spaces while behaving creepily insistent, or claimed my cats are my sons and daughter. Other than jokingly, of course. I'm also 0 for 0 on cults started.

It is different when someone weaponises something so for all we know he could have had plenty delusions during his fun run time (probably had) and sure, some can cause unintentional harm to others (mine did since they always end with me 'moving out' metaphorically [since once insisted I want to wither away on a bus stop because I was feeling happy and surely will never feel this happy again because xyz things will happen] and that made other's worry for me) but most people would not dream of doing stuff Andy does even at their worst.

I'd agree on not speculating on that front as it probably would serve as an excuse for him plus Abbey above said he got diagnosed with various buuuut plenty people on here got same and the thing with Andy is - he hits close to home with narratives he uses or how he presents and conducts himself.

I truly don't believe andy suffers from a single delusion - except the one where he is a rare, special, magical star the world does not deserve.

"I doubt he is on ASPD spectrum as the main thing with it is "not understanding communication, behaviours and society"

You're mistaking anti-social personality disorder (ASPD) with Asperger Syndrome (AS, a diagnosis that no longer exists) and/or autism spectrum disorder (ASD). They're very different things.

+1 I was wondering about this.

the really fucked up, self-destructive way he went about going to Los Angeles —He had a paying job, he is working on a relevant degree, he could have rented a room somewhere

It's really telling that this is how he went about it. I think that at the point of moving out there he was in the best position he's been in for a very long time, and he's crashed and burned within, what, four weeks? And for reasons entirely of his own making - I mean, if he'd done the grown-up thing of saving up some money and renting, his past probably wouldn't have mattered so much. An actual landlord isn't going to care that much about someone's shady background as long as the rent's paid. But he didn't do that, and now he's probably living in his car. Welp.

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