I suppose that what I read as sloppiness could be choices he's making to create texture, but as usual, he's emphasizing how quickly he can turn these out, so I question that.
I have no idea what the first and last one are supposed to be, but I actually think the clown one is really good.
I guess I don't understand what the point of this is? He's showing people pictures of what they're getting. Presumably they're satisfied with the work. I'm all for pointing out questionable behavior, but I just don't see it here.
That being said, I am well aware that this board doesn't exist to cater to my own personal comfort level.
I agree with you that some of them are, in my uncultured opinion, genuinely good! Others are the sort of thing where if a friend gave them to me as a gift, I'd be genuinely pleased, and even impressed if they told me they made them, but probably wouldn't pay specifically for them.
What baffles me is Andy's consistent rhetoric about emphasizing his *speed* in arts that are all about time commitment. Back when he was tracing photos, he'd boast about them being "15 minute sketches" and now he's taking embroidery, a hobby where the whole point is it gives your hands something to do while watching TV, or listening to music or whatever, and making a big deal about how fast he can make a tiny fox with stars.
Like, when you see a documentary piece talking about the dying art of, let's say, silk sari making, are you more impressed with the factory machines that can make multiple sari in a day, or the people who still make silk sari by hand loom over the course of a month? You might be impressed by the factory machines, but of the two, the one you'd boast about owning would be the handmade one.
It's like he doesn't get what the actual joy of creating things *is*.
Andy is clearly still reading here. He answered you: https://twitter.com/CraftyCatDad/status/1677476387157078017
"In this era of Monetize Everything, I feel like the difference between a hobby and a craft is getting lost, as are the difference between the fine arts and the artisan trades.
A hobby is about joy. Fuck gatekeeping, if you’re having fun, you’re doing it right. You can take all the time in the world, do it on vibes, whatever. It’s for you, maybe shared w people you live, whether you’re raw beginner or world-class master.
A craft is a job skill. You may enjoy it - it’s great if you do - but you are making X things to Y standard in Z time and getting paid to do so by someone who gets to determine if you’re good enough to earn the price you ask.
The fine arts are about expression. It may be ultra-realistic, totally abstract, anything in between, but the purpose is to communicate a vision or concept YOUR way, even if you have a patron or sell your work.
An artisan trade requires artistic SKILLS, but it’s a career producing a product, often of someone else’s design, often several identical things, and your vision at most features as a stylistic flair and can be overridden.
Is there overlap? Sure! But I see a lot of one being judged as the other or people being pressured by the standards of something they aren’t doing. I’m a craftsman. I also have hobbies, rarely do art, but I have artistic SKILLS that pay my bills by making things.
I don’t sew/make for fun (I cook, write, decorate the house, etc) & I literally lost grade points in college for not having any real artistic vision. But damn I can sure Make The Thing You Want. That’s ok, & so is someone doing the same for pure fun & never making a $ from it."
TBH, I had a much longer response where I completely broke down his attitude and how the attitude of "this took me 15 minutes" is totally unprofessional *to Andy's own value*, but honestly, my major takeaway from this is he read my post, saw that I referred to it as a "hobby" and saw my final note and read absolutely nothing in between (and certainly didn't take any of my compliments as they were intended).
it's always the same with andy, right. he's definitely naturally talented at artistic stuff! but he has to emphasize /how/ good he is at stuff, how quickly he can create etc. and he seems to have no real interest in refining his natural skills, which leads to a lot of his work looking sloppy.
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I suppose that what I read as sloppiness could be choices he's making to create texture, but as usual, he's emphasizing how quickly he can turn these out, so I question that.
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(Anonymous) 2023-07-05 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)I have no idea what the first and last one are supposed to be, but I actually think the clown one is really good.
I guess I don't understand what the point of this is? He's showing people pictures of what they're getting. Presumably they're satisfied with the work. I'm all for pointing out questionable behavior, but I just don't see it here.
That being said, I am well aware that this board doesn't exist to cater to my own personal comfort level.
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(Anonymous) 2023-07-06 04:08 am (UTC)(link)I agree with you that some of them are, in my uncultured opinion, genuinely good! Others are the sort of thing where if a friend gave them to me as a gift, I'd be genuinely pleased, and even impressed if they told me they made them, but probably wouldn't pay specifically for them.
What baffles me is Andy's consistent rhetoric about emphasizing his *speed* in arts that are all about time commitment. Back when he was tracing photos, he'd boast about them being "15 minute sketches" and now he's taking embroidery, a hobby where the whole point is it gives your hands something to do while watching TV, or listening to music or whatever, and making a big deal about how fast he can make a tiny fox with stars.
Like, when you see a documentary piece talking about the dying art of, let's say, silk sari making, are you more impressed with the factory machines that can make multiple sari in a day, or the people who still make silk sari by hand loom over the course of a month? You might be impressed by the factory machines, but of the two, the one you'd boast about owning would be the handmade one.
It's like he doesn't get what the actual joy of creating things *is*.
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(Anonymous) 2023-07-09 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)"In this era of Monetize Everything, I feel like the difference between a hobby and a craft is getting lost, as are the difference between the fine arts and the artisan trades.
A hobby is about joy. Fuck gatekeeping, if you’re having fun, you’re doing it right. You can take all the time in the world, do it on vibes, whatever. It’s for you, maybe shared w people you live, whether you’re raw beginner or world-class master.
A craft is a job skill. You may enjoy it - it’s great if you do - but you are making X things to Y standard in Z time and getting paid to do so by someone who gets to determine if you’re good enough to earn the price you ask.
The fine arts are about expression. It may be ultra-realistic, totally abstract, anything in between, but the purpose is to communicate a vision or concept YOUR way, even if you have a patron or sell your work.
An artisan trade requires artistic SKILLS, but it’s a career producing a product, often of someone else’s design, often several identical things, and your vision at most features as a stylistic flair and can be overridden.
Is there overlap? Sure! But I see a lot of one being judged as the other or people being pressured by the standards of something they aren’t doing. I’m a craftsman. I also have hobbies, rarely do art, but I have artistic SKILLS that pay my bills by making things.
I don’t sew/make for fun (I cook, write, decorate the house, etc) & I literally lost grade points in college for not having any real artistic vision. But damn I can sure Make The Thing You Want. That’s ok, & so is someone doing the same for pure fun & never making a $ from it."
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(Anonymous) 2023-07-10 08:09 am (UTC)(link)*sigh*
TBH, I had a much longer response where I completely broke down his attitude and how the attitude of "this took me 15 minutes" is totally unprofessional *to Andy's own value*, but honestly, my major takeaway from this is he read my post, saw that I referred to it as a "hobby" and saw my final note and read absolutely nothing in between (and certainly didn't take any of my compliments as they were intended).
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