continued Thatfucker discussion

[anonniemouse]

Since we've been kicked off FFA for the week, please feel free to continue the anon discussion here. Apologies if this is a big flop - I've never made a DW community before!

The rules are vaguely the same as they are over on FFA. Please refrain from being too much of an asshole, making personal attacks, posting identifying information or engaging in transfail.

ETA: If there's information you'd like to see archived (journal/blog posts related to Andy, etc.), please dump it here and link to it from the main post for discussing.

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Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=87384#cmt87384

I can fight mountains to the dust for the impossible. I can do anything for the big, mad dream against all odds. I can barely get out of bed for mediocrity. I would rather be surrounded by people determined to see me dead than by those content with doing being and pursuing nothing…in part because I would be less likely to be destroyed by it.

That is the biggest reason I couldn’t stay home. Not that the admired status quot and devout mediocrity was unbearable, but because I was afraid it would become so. A part of me always believed I might win the fight if they found out how unacceptable I was, but a bigger part was terrified that I would change to not need to. I can endure anything, I think, except apathy.

While short, this is one of the more illuminating posts from Andy I've seen, along with his creepy "Begit" thing with the list of his marks and how best to fuck their heads.

So there you go. Andy can't "get out of bed for mediocrity", which is probably why he's never been able to support himself or keep a job for any significant length of time. I guess it's much more exciting to pretend to be on the run from the IRA than work at Starbucks.

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

I try to be relatively detached with this stuff, at least in public, but every once in a while something sets me off--and since I'm still a little upset from having gone over the rabbit story again last night, this did it.

Andy's parents are a successful artist whose work is prominently displayed throughout their community and an emergency services worker who is so well-respected that he has a regional award named after him. His sister has done charity work around the world.

Andy has abused a laundry list of people, lied his ass off for over 15 years about every aspect of his life, and run two short-lived cults. He has failed to grow either as an artist or as a writer because he focuses on quick and easy ways to generate emotional responses rather than on honing his craft. When he sees his friends being successful, he negs the fuck out of them while pretending to build them up and often attributing their success to his influence, in an effort to make himself look superior. Oh, and one time he was part of a group of fans that put together a pretty awesome reading garden with Sean Astin, but that happened more in spite of Andy than because of him.

Yet he has the nerve to say that his family admires the "status quot [sic]", that they live in "devout mediocrity", that they are "content with doing being and pursuing nothing".

They have all accomplished great things. And they worked for them. Andy is more than happy to work his ass off for something that he thinks will get him a lot of recognition and attention, fast. He is not willing to work on something from the ground up, to build a career gradually over time as his parents have done, or to strive for the greater good as a small part of a larger team effort as his sister has done. Andy wants it all, he wants it all about him, and he wants it now. I would like to think that his recent efforts to get into art school mean that this has changed to some degree, but I'm not holding my breath.

TB

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

Very very well-said. I have to think it's all those accomplishments that makes Andy constantly denigrate them, too -- just sheer envy.

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

While "hard work" and "success" can be complex ideas that can be used to devalue people who don't fit into a narrow social framework (to make a very short disclaimer), I think it's extremely telling that Thanfiction has to embellish his work stories because he has very little in the way of accomplishments. He has to come up with stories because those jobs aren't exciting enough for him - they may even be (gasp) mediocre!) - and tell stories about how professors totally came in an ordered their coffee from him in Ancient Greek.

And then he complains about his value as a "weaver of word-magic" not being recognized in ridiculous posts like this: http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/50961914873/id-be-surprisingly-good-for-you

He's not wrong that a) everyone should have access to adequate healthcare regardless of their jobs and b) rich people can be really annoying customers, but there's just something so off about how he says it.

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

OH HELL NO to the Ancient Greek thing. I actually submitted anon to TB about this because it was so ridiculous and made me so mad. There is just NO WAY that is a thing that anyone did.

1) He apparently thinks that a vocabulary list is sufficient to learn a language (see his attempts at reconstructing Tolkien's languages) which tells me that he's never seriously studied any language, much less an ancient one.

1b) It takes years of dedicated study to be able to read Ancient Greek anything like fluently, and that's ignoring/conflating the proliferation of dialects. YEARS. Yes, even if you're "preternaturally brilliant and talented" or whatever.

2) NOBODY just chats in Ancient Greek. The nerdiest nerds in my department (myself included) do sometimes fling snippets of Latin at one another, including asking if someone wants coffee, but even then, the question translates to "do you want to go get a thing which is to be drunk?" (bibendum) rather than mentioning coffee specifically (see my next point). And even we don't just chat in Ancient Greek. It's not a thing.

3) There is no Ancient Greek word for coffee. Three seconds of googling did, however, yield this conversation about how best to refer to it: http://danielstreett.com/2012/01/20/coffee-in-koine-greek/ which does mention the Attic Greek translation of (drumroll please) Harry Potter. Though that seems to be a red herring, as the translator apparently skips that line. So maybe TF read that far into the comments and no further?

4) Note the multitude of different suggestions at that one link. So while it's possible that one might figure out a way to ask for coffee in Ancient Greek, the odds that another person (even a magical telepathic snowflake like TF) would be able to understand and act on that request? Vanishingly small.

Oof. I apparently have a lot of feelings about this.

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

SA - Sorry, my numbering went a bit off the rails there. He's done a lot of things that are objectively far more awful, but this is my life's work, and it fills me with rage to see him claiming it as one of the many, many things he supposedly picked up overnight without even trying.

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for saying it so well! I've had the same annoyance with this particular story - it's just so lazy and poorly thought-out, and such a blatant example of how ignorant Andy is about the skills he claims to have!

Aside from trying to express the idea of "coffee" in Ancient Greek, how about artificial sweeteners? The concept of "syrup?" Variations in milk type/fat content - heaven forbid anyone want soy milk!

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

Furthermore, the misspelling that TheTeaBlogger points out:

"Anne O'Nymous" to Carlanime: One would think a woman with a degree in psych and gender studies would have more charitable opinions towards severe gender disphoria leading to dissociative identity disorder comorbid with borderline personality disorder.

Andy to Carlanime: As you know , the official on paper diagnosis of what’s wrong with me: Severe Gender Disphoria leading to Dissociative Identity Disorder possibly comorbid with Borderline Personality Disorder on select aspects.

dys- is a Greek prefix. You'd think he'd know that one, huh?

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

Claiming to be able to speak languages he doesn't is another of Andy's favourite lies. I've seen him claim he speaks six languages (link below) on tumblr. He's claimed to have learned Irish from this grandfather, and that he speaks French, but (IRCC) it's "18th century literary French" or something of that nature. Which is why he needs an actual French speaker to help him translate things.

http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/44496687605/how-many-languages-do-you-know

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

As a fellow studier of dead languages, YEP. That claim is so transparently false.

I did, however, have to stop and wonder if there might be a word for coffee in Ancient Greek, which led to googling the history of coffee. So thanks, Andy, for making me a more informed person. Who knew coffee wasn't around before the 10th century?

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what's scarier in that Andy post linked above. The selling realities line really jumped at me. That tells me he knows exactly what he's been doing the whole time.

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

It's so icky and also manages to hit my embarrassment squick pretty hard with all the "weaver of word-magic" + other unearned self-declared nonsense. Like, he just doesn't get how ridiculous he appears to other people. That's the one thing he really is clueless about.

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

There's another post quite like that one that strikes me: http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/26741450761/books-covers-and-judging-them-not-lest-ye-be

Actually, that guy is me. He’s 28, and he’s been on his own since he was a teenager. He got the tattoos years ago, and they’re in French (which he speaks, along with Spanish, Classical Greek, Latin, and Gaelic), a philosophical quote about the power of hope and patience by Alexander Dumas. He’s a talented freelance illustrator, but he’s been struggling since the economy tanked, especially since his last client screwed him over pretty badly. Even still, he’s constantly looking for work, which includes the dozens of applications he’s put in for jobs that aren’t even in his field. He’s incredibly frugal and resourceful, which is how he’s managed to overhaul all that thrift store and garage sale clothing, some of which he’s made last for over ten years, including that leather jacket.

There's just an overabundance of justifying why he is better than everyone else in his statement that's supposedly about not stereotyping people on food stamps.

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

That's "Alexandre" to you, Andy. And others have pointed out that no one who speaks Irish calls it "Gaelic."

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

What a fucking pillock.

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

What is "Classical Greek"? Classical is a good descriptor for a particular type of Latin, but not Greek as far as I'm aware. Another point for "Andy can't be bothered with a cursory google search."

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

Well said, all.

I guess it's much more exciting to pretend to be on the run from the IRA than work at Starbucks.
The thing Andy probably doesn't/can't realise is: the vast majority of people would respect him so much more if he held down a 'mundane' job and behaved himself. (And he could still have his fantasy life in his head...er, like he has now).

He can go on about how he lives too big and can't be tied down to the mediocre because he's *special* but the flipside of that is the undisguised contempt he has for all us mere mortals.

I don't think people like him can understand the depth and worth of a normal life, instead they only see the facile glamour of their grandiose fantasies.
But, the grandiose narcissitic life is hollow.
And the older Andy gets and the less REAL achievements he has to build his identity on the more comfortable it becomes to live in his fantasies.

It's like a vicious circle:-
See's self as grandiose and special - won't do mundane work - has no life outside fantasies - no real achievements to feed demanding ego - goes back to fantasy in order to preserve overblown ego.

/general speculation

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

This is a better way of saying what I was trying to convey above.
- Ancient Greek Nerd-Rage Anon

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

It's textbook narcissism.

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

Can someone please expand on the creepy "Begit" thing? Thanks!

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

https://kumquatwriter.wordpress.com/2013/06/03/horses-mouth-and-horses-ass/

"Begit" was something that Andy wrote in 2002 or 2003. After a very nasty depiction of his college boyfriend and their relationship, Andy describes some of the women that he was "working on" online at that time, what he thought he could get out of each one, and the different traits and personalities that he pretended to have in order to manipulate each of them.

TB

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

It's been posted in the pit:

http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=88408#cmt88408

Andy (at that time called by his birth name, Amy, and still identifying as female), pretending to be Frodo, wrote a semi-biographical piece about how much Amy disliked her relationship with her then boyfriend, and how preferable it was to get praise and attention from women online. Oh, and how thrilling it was to deceive them.

This can get confusing, because it looks like the list of traits after the usernames might be a description of the women Andy's talking about. It's not. It's a description of the different personas he was taking on in order to ensnare them.

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

This can get confusing, because it looks like the list of traits after the usernames might be a description of the women Andy's talking about. It's not. It's a description of the different personas he was taking on in order to ensnare them.

I have read that piece at least 10 times and met Andy-then-Amy before it was even written and this is the FIRST TIME I HAVE EVER REALIZED THAT.

*re-aligns entire worldview holy fuck*

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

It's interesting that "Maura/Frodo" has full access to Andy's thoughts, motivations and memories here, which violates the rules of his channeling as I understood them. Andy routinely claims to have lost large chunks of time channeling other people, originally because he was those people and his consciousness was MIA. Later, he attributes this to "blackouts" or some kind of dissociation. This was his explanation as recently as ten months ago:

http://andythanfiction.tumblr.com/post/86490759067/do-you-really-have-a-cult-like-that-tumblr-post

What I did then - When I was receiving messages from other dimensions or channeling spirits/characters, I often had extended blackouts or periods of memory loss. Rather than taking this as the massive fucking warning sign it was, I recruited friends to act as aids. One of them had to be with me at all times, practically 24/7/365 in case I “had a knock” and they were responsible for supervising the episode and then letting me know exactly what happened.

So if these personalities/alters left no trace of their activities in Andy's memory, why is it that they have access to his memories and thoughts? Andy wasn't actually channeling hobbits Frodo before he met Abbey, so "Frodo" should have no memory of Andy's relationship with Adrian, as I understand it. Huh, it's almost like Frodo actually IS Andy and can remember his relationship with Adrian because they're the same individual.

Also, when the fuck did Andy decide to start claiming "that this was part of a divine higher plan or purpose for which I had been chosen by God" as part of his delusions? I don't remember Abbey ever mentioning that Andy claimed to be on a mission from the Christian God specifically.

Remember when Andy found God again, which helped him redeem himself from his problems?

http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=33624#cmt33624

I have re-connected with my family, moved away from Hollywood, have and intend to have in the future no contact with any fandom of any kind, re-discovered God, changed my name, come to terms with myself as a transgender man, and am now seeking both gender reassignment surgery, normal employment, and a normal, healthy life.

http://tf-talk.dreamwidth.org/600.html?thread=33880#cmt33880

I had already become a Christian again over the course of my therapy, once I knew that I was just another example of God's infinite diversity and not some terrible creature, but at the border, it seemed like He was speaking to me.

****You can't run. You can change, and you have changed, you can grow up, and you have grown up, you can mature, and you have matured, and you can go on to live a normal life, but you must deal with what you have done in the past. I may be able to wipe your sins clean as though they never happened, but that does not absolve you of needing to face those you sinned against.*****

Of course, I'm sure Andy would disown this apology as more lies he told trying to protect himself from the government labs or whatever bullshit is his excuse de jour.

Re: Andy explains why he's too special to live a normal life

[(Anonymous)]

I'd always read that segment as little personality synopsis of the women he was marking, not the personality traits he was presenting to appeal to the women he was marking, and fucking hell it was creepy enough to read with just that first reading. But now I fully understand? Wow. Just wow.

I'm reminded of the time my obsessive ex-boyfriend upon finding out my the new net-name and reading my OKCupid profile (which I had to save test results, I wasn't dating) added many of the same films, TV programmes and interests to his Myspace page to make it appear we had to much in common when he approached me on Myspace pretending to be a stranger. Fortunately I already knew he was behind that particular account so I was able to call him out when he tried it, but it's always galling to see those same kind of tactics being used by the same kind of people.